Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Kyiv would like to end the war with Russia next year through “diplomatic means” as both countries prepare for President-elect Donald Trump’s return to the White House.
In an interview with the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, Zelenskyy said he is certain that the war will end “sooner” than it otherwise would have once Mr. Trump becomes president.
The prospect of Trump returning to power in the United States next year has raised questions about the future of the conflict, as the Republican has been critical of U.S. military aid to Kyiv.
Zelenskyy said that Ukraine “must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means.”
Very hopeful,
“We have to understand what the Russians want,” Zelenskyy said.
That would mean peace instead of Ukraine becoming a new South Korea. Ukraine led peace negotiations can bring China in to outbid blackrock for the ruins in the country, and perhaps Chinese peacekeepers instead of nazi EU supporters. The Musk plan that was floated is a non-starter with Russia. EU trade deal finally happening is something Zelensky can try for, but Ukraine’s purpose was always suicide to the last Ukrainian, and everything dangled as a carrot disappears when they let go of that course.
EU/US have to step up financial reconstruction offers instead of weaponized nazification to be relevant in the peace.
I want to end the war diplomatically, but only next year. Sorry, but some of our people need to die until I do what I already decided to doIt comes as German chancellor Olaf Scholz spoke with Mr Putin for the first time in nearly two years.
The German leader urged Mr Putin to pull his forces out of Ukraine and begin talks with Kyiv that would open the way for a “just and lasting peace”, the German government said.
The move was swiftly criticised by Mr Zelensky, who said the call had opened a “Pandora’s box” by undermining efforts to isolate the Russian leader.
“Now there may be other conversations, other calls. Just a lot of words,” said Mr Zelensky in his evening address on Friday. “And this is exactly what Putin has long wanted: it is extremely important for him to weaken his isolation and to conduct ordinary negotiations.”
Diplomacy in 2024 is bad actually. Only next year!Truly the hero of our time.
Good news. Hopefully the bloodshed can be ended as soon as possible.
Shitlibs want endless war in Ukraine, till the last Ukrainian is dead.
What he likely means “ending the war by diplomatic means” is not talking or negotiating with Russia. No, that would be worst heresy imaginable. When he has previously talked about the use of diplomacy to find peace, what he really means is for Ukraine redouble it’s efforts to beg for more money and weapons, but also get US and Europe to put more pressure on countries like China and India to ditch Putin and support Ukraine instead. Zelensky has talked along these lines before. Make his position seem reasonable to those who who want Ukraine to seek settlement, when it really isn’t any different from “Zelensky’s peace plan” that can be summed up in demand Russia’s unconditional surrender as a precondition to any kind of dialogue.
I fear it’s this kinda crazy talk that we are looking at. Zelensky or his inner circle just bring themselves to talk to the Russians, nor can they talk about things like giving up even places like Crimea. They just can’t give an inch and we all know what happens to the reeds that don’t bend with wind.
They absolutely can. Easily. They made a peace deal shortly after war started, but Zelensky accepted weapons bribe promises to keep going instead. As they are nearing the last Ukrainian, and the bribes will dry up, something close to original deal will happen instead. Zelensky is dead either way, but peace lets him flee somewhere, and claim to have done the right thing.
Zelenskyy literally cannot advocate for negotiated peace. The Right wing nationalist elements of Ukraine’s coalition will effectively murder him if that becomes his position. It remains to be seen what will happen to him when he’s forced into it by the reality of the war and the waning of international support by his patron states.
He’s likely just going to flee to US or UK in the end.
He has a mega mansion in Egypt in his mom’s name thanks to this war.
He could’ve fled long ago if he wanted instead of facing the risk and staying. I respect him for that.
You are saying this as if he is Yahya Sinwar fighting on the front line and dying a warrior’s death.
He has to stay till the last moment if he wants to keep political power. He’s not in any personal danger.
Ukraine suspended all national/local elections, because he can’t possibly win anything again. Fleeing while claiming to be a hero is certain.
Is this Democracy?
He doesn’t care about what anybody in Ukraine things, the key part is to make sure he can be the next Guaido for the US. If he flees too soon then there’s going to be a new government formed without him and he becomes irrelevant. So, he’s going to wait till there’s a full on collapse to flee and claim to be government in exile.
So it looks like it’s finally happening?
The best time to take ceasefire was before.
The second best time is now
And they’re still going for the second worst option: later
(The worst option would be never)
If they know they’re going to end the war diplomatically, why are they delaying? Extremely cruel to the people fighting today who know their deaths are meaningless, that they’re only dying cause it’s still early.
lmao the war in ukraine really was just a Democrat political project
Well no, this has been a bipartisan project stretching back decades. Brzezinski Mapped Out the Battle for Ukraine in 1997
Because Trump won?
…we’re jumping to conclusions a bit, aren’t we?
And their response to the genocide and pogroms in Palestine proved their hypocrisy.
i wonder if it was an american military industrial complex fueled excuse to create a new profit stream in a new proxy war between russia and nato.
ukraine is perfect because the russians will never give them up for a myriad of reasons and that guarantees that american military contractors will be able to milk profits from ukraine as a proxy battleground country for as long as both russia and the united states exist; longer than any of us here today.
The sanctions applied by the west have been the best thing that could have happened to the Russian economy in decades. Their import substitution policy accelerated and even after the war they will now have competitive industries that wouldn’t have been considered economically viable had Russia continued to buy cheaper goods from the west. I sometimes think the continuation of the war is collusion by the US and Russia to keep both of their economies doing great at the expense of Europe, who are too busy with their hubris to realise they’re getting screwed here.
i wonder how much of that economic progress will remain after the ukranian war.
It turns out actually making things is an important part of the economy and i don’t think their increasing manufacturing capacity is going anywhere. And if the sanctions end it’s even easier to keep making oil money
The Russian ruling class would need to disabuse themselves of neoliberal dogmas
in that case: i wonder how much “soviet union” is still lives in russia and whether or not there’s enough to keep the economic progress from vanishing.
and the EU vassals went with it blindly
Zelenskyyyyyy Russian asset confirmed
The US won’t allow it, the same way they didn’t allow it the previous times.
They would be forced to increase the bribery for Ukrainian suicide. The project was always a weapons and oil slush fund, and those constituents can be kept happy with a war on Iran.
The US is clearly starting to distance itself from project Ukraine now. That said, I don’t expect that the US will alter its stance to simply admit that Russia has won. The most probable scenario is that Russia and the US will secretly negotiate a behind-the-scenes agreement, and the US will just cut aid to Ukraine while continuing to publicly engage in verbal posturing. The US admin will say that it has more pressing concerns with China and the Middle East, and it’s now time for Europe to step up and assume a larger role. However, everyone knows that Europe is not any position to do so. Therefore, the conflict will likely end on Russian terms without the US openly admitting defeat. As an added bonus, the US will secure lucrative military contracts with European nations for decades to come.
Finally found a intellectual in these comments 👏
The idea that it is possible to “diplomacy” your way out of conflict with a dictator is so absurd I want to laugh my ass off, but unfortunately it isn’t funny at all.
Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat, and now that he has his American buddy back in place, now with added musk funds, it is seriously delusional to think the situation is going to do anything other than escalate.
Zelenskyy is being beyond naive at best (I honestly don’t believe he believes in what he’s saying).
He’s responding to his talks with Trump. He knows US support is going to fade fast under the new guy. He’s trying to save his country.
Then dust off those nuke plans…
I don’t think he’s being naive, he knows Trump is going to hang him out to dry, and he can’t win without ongoing US support. So if he’s come to the conclusion that defeat is inevitable, or at least that victory is impossible, then it makes sense to start posturing to that effect, to try to get the best outcome possible later at the negotiating table.
Well, I suppose bending over for a couple of dictators to fuck you (but more importantly, your people, and then who ever those two decide to invade next) is a kind of posture… 🙄
How to say you’re historically illiterate without saying you’re historically illiterate. 👆
conflict with a dictator
Only one of these leaders is unelected, and it’s not the one you think.
Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat
I doubt that, but its moot since Russia would inevitably win this war of attrition without having to do it. Also, the whole Russian meat grinder/meat wave thing is just recycled WWII Nazi war propaganda BS.
now that he has his American buddy back in place
CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
now with added musk funds
Right, Enron Musk is personally keeping the Russian economy afloat with his own money 😂 This one really takes the cake.
What’s it like in that Tank? Is the bread and vodka good? How’s the heating?
What’s it like in that drone control center? I imagine tense, being surrounded by reactionaries completely detached from the savage reality they inflict on the people of the global south.
Logistically, how should Ukraine have held an election earlier this year, on account of dealing with an active invasion and contested territory?
I don’t know. How should Ukraine have held an election when it has banned eleven political parties? Ukraine had a US-backed coup ten years ago[1][2]. It is nothing close to a democracy.
Ok but that doesn’t change that they’re being actively invaded by Russia right now. That does tend to put a pretty big damper on a country’s ability to conduct secure elections.
Do you believe the elections in Russia are held fairly? I was under the impression that there are a lot of issues with political repression and electrical fraud, but admit that some of those notions could be more propaganda than reality. I’ll be reading more into Russian electoral politics and history in the meanwhile.
From what I read so far, it looks like Russia actually did hold elections for their own government within occupied Ukrainian territory. I’m not sure what to make of that.
Do you believe the elections in Russia are held fairly?
Putin seems to be genuinely popular, so how fair the last presidential election was is somewhat moot. I think he had a clear majority regardless. Russians have good reason to like him: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country. It’s still a capitalist shithole, but at least it’s their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.
it looks like Russia actually did hold elections for their own government within occupied Ukrainian territory.
I can’t speak to the quality of those elections. Eastern Ukraine had been in a civil war with western Ukraine for almost a decade, and many eastern Ukrainians wanted a Russian intervention, but I’m no expert and couldn’t say what percentage wanted one. Back in 2014, Crimea was very easy to annex, because most Crimeans wanted to be annexed. And they fared better than their friends to their north, who suffered almost a decade of attacks by western Ukrainian Banderites.
Wtf is with you people claiming you know what’s best for these countries? Its like you’re larping as the us state dept.
I’m not sure who “you people” are, but at no point did I claim to know what’s best, but I sure as fuck know, from knowing history and paying attention, that tyranny doesn’t go away by asking nicely. Never has, never will.
So a better question would be wtf is with you claiming you know anything at all about global conflict or fascism? Its like you’re
larping asa wilfully ignorant and overly confident centrist who is happy to lay others lives on the line and let war rage on as long as we aren’t mean to a dictator. 🙄People who say “I know from history” oftentimes have the historical knowledge of a gamer.
Yes we know Zelensky is an unelected dictator. You don’t need to project.
Lmfao, where did I even imply that? Talk about projecting… 😂😂😂
So I don’t know how the Russian/Ukrainian war is going to go. I mean Trump is such a wild card it’s hard to say. But I want to point out that your comment:
that tyranny doesn’t go away by asking nicely. Never has, never will.
Is very wrong. The weirdest thing is you state if you’re paying attention. Well, if you’re paying any attention what so ever, you’ll see that tyranny regularly gets displaced by asking nicely. In fact, in recent history we have South Korea with a peaceful democratic transfer, Taiwan which also had a peaceful democratic transfer, Singapore and many others. And that’s just recent history. Let alone all the Kingdoms that were displaced by democracy in history such as the UK. Heck, the UK still has a monarch and yet run in a democracy because of how peaceful the transfer was. Thailand as well. I could go on, but I think you get the point. In fact one of the MOST COMMON ways to go from Monarchy/Dictatorship to democracy is a peaceful transfer. Obviously that doesn’t always happen, but it’s quite common to simply ask nicely.
*Edit: Actually Ukraine ITSELF was a peaceful transfer from tyranny to democracy. That’s the REASON Putin is angry and jealous of them. I mean you don’t even have to look outside of the combatants to see a peaceful transfer. Which is gone now, but that doesn’t take away that it happened.
All I can say to this bizarre reply is that the whitewashed version of history (never mind current events, since some of those conflicts are still ongoing, violently, today) you were taught at school, or hear about in the msm isn’t the reality, and that none of those conflicts were fucking peaceful, or came to a conclusion because those in power just decided to give it up.
Pick up a fucking book (or watch a video, or listen to a podcast, however you take information in, go and do that, but only if you can cope with challenging your bias, otherwise it becomes a completely pointless exercise)
E: Like, honestly, do you seriously believe there is any point in talking to Putin? Do you think an open and proud totalitarian known for throwing his opponents out of windows is a trustworthy person who will have good faith and stay true to his word? Do you fucking hear yourself???
When you don’t know any history perhaps you should read first then comment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Democratic_Struggle
As I said, S.Korea is just one example where peaceful protests brought democracy.
Ah yes, peaceful, if you erase the Gwang-ju Massacre and other atrocities committed by “The Butcher” Chun Doo-Hwan.
The rights enjoyed by South Koreans were fought for with the blood of workers and students spilled by their own government and Capitalists. Don’t erase them.
Nice try but you don’t get to argue that a protest over 7 years ago and is unrelated caused the peaceful transfer.
I mean you might as well argue that the blood of Americans were spilled for their freedoms in BLM, Kansas State Massacre, the Chicago fire. Oh wait, those protests massacres happened AFTER USA was a democracy. It’s almost like they’re not related to being a democracy or not and the June protests weren’t part of that massacre because it’s a 7 YEAR gap.
Oh wow, you got the tankies to come out in force
Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat
Funny, because it’s exactly the same with Zelensky and unfortunate Ukrainians who haven’t managed to escape his regime.
Yeah, if either leader’s army would just leave Ukraine, the war would instantly be over.
That’s what the negotiations are for
The best reason to end any war is to ask how everyone can just stop killing one another.
This is modern day civilization, not the barbarian hordes of Europe 1500 years ago.
We have a choice to act civilized or like our ignorant ancestors from thousands of years ago.
ask yourself in whose interest is it to continue this insane war.
(Military corporations in the US and Russia)
And let’s not forget Russia’s support from that batch. This war is just another money scheme
True. DC is not an irradiated pile of ruble because of the theater of permawar that Russia eventually wins is the script. US loses all wars because victory ends a war, and brings oil prices back down.
War is a necessity as long as Imperialism remains the dominant contradiction in the world, we need to move beyond Capitalism to move beyond war.
What’s the better alternative to capitalism?
Socialism. I wrote an intro reading list for Marxism if you want to check it out.
Why should my lazy neighbour get the same as me when I work harder or smarter? There in lies the problem with pure socialism… socialised democracy ( i.e. capitalism with based services for all) is the only palletable stance in that direction.
That’s not what Socialism is, or even Communism. In every existing Socialist state, people have gotten higher or lower pay for different levels of intensity or skill. If getting paid the same is “the problem with pure socialism” then it sounds like it’s all cleared up!
Secondly, Social Democracy still relies on Capitalism, which necessarily moves in the direction of increased disparity and centralization of power in fewer and fewer hands. Moreover, as companies spread internationally, Capitalism turns to Imperialism, whereby workers in the Global South are paid a fraction of the wages a worker in the Global North would be paid. This form of hyper-exploitation for super-profits results in dramatically unequal exchange and underdevelopment. Socialism is the way forward, beyond this system of exploitation and eventual collapse.
I really recommend you give at least the first section of my reading list a try.
Thousand years from now, the same statement will be made of us. We humans change little.
Humans change quite a bit depending on Mode of Production, which shapes culture and norms.
I absolutely disagree. Lots of history proves that we are still motivated by primal instincts of self preservation. It always comes down to that.
However, the way these primal instincts are expressed obviously changes based on the rules of societies we create. USSR and post-Soviet Russia serves as a perfect real world example. The same people who generally acted in the interest of society under socialist structures quickly learned how to become oligarchs under the capitalist set of rules. In effect, the way society is structured acts as a selection pressure for human behavior.
Lots of history proves that humans behaved differently based on the economic system in place. Why do you believe slavery has largely been abolished? Did humans suddenly change their minds about it?
You’re thinking to high level. I’m talking about what actually drives us. Slavery has been largely abolished (but not really) because it’s out of fashion. We haven’t fundamentally changed the way we think. We’re far more alike our ancient ancestors than we think.
What drives us ultimately is our material conditions. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you. BTW, Harris’ dad is a Marxist, which is where I’m sure her comment sprang from.
No, slavery was abolished because of technological progress and changes in Mode of Production. I’m thinking in a Historical Materialist perspective, there wasn’t a random beaming of empathy in humanity.
Slavery still exists in multiple different forms tho
Whatever, you’re missing the point.
I wonder how Zionist Biden would feel -if it all- once Russia annexes parts of Ukraine. Probably how he felt about Israel annexing Palestinian and Syrian lands. His underling Blinken even defended Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights.
No chance of help to protect his homeland from belligerent invasion? You’ve got to cut the losses.
Then Russia can invade in another 10 years and take more. Yay! It can be an every-decade thing!
He is not “protecting his homeland”. He is flying around the world telling people that he does that, that he protects democracy and so on, while people are trapped in his prison, kidnapped off the streets and sent to the meatgrinder.
When I read comments like this I do wonder if there’s any point trying to reason. You either are too far indoctrinated or just reading the script.
Ah I’m so sorry for disliking Zelensky trying to kill me, my family, friends and every other Ukrainian
I guess you’re right. If only Zelensky would stop his aggression against the peaceful Russian and north Korean forces freeing Ukraine from the burden of democracy…
In your case I’m leaning on indoctrination. I don’t think they’ll hand you such a retarded script.
Nice instance BTW. Surely it’s not you with 10 accounts trying to circumvent bans.
I guess you’re right. If only Zelensky would stop his aggression against the peaceful Russian and north Korean forces
If he were to stop his aggression at Ukrainians, I would be satisfied already.
freeing Ukraine from the burden of democracy…
Democracy? What democracy? Did you mean to say Zelensky’s authoritarian regime where people are treated worse than dogs?
