My dad uses Google Maps, and he mentioned that it seems to be getting worse. Like, giving him directions that are obviously worse than alternatives. Has anyone else here experienced this?
Do you see a leaf next to the directions, that means it’s taking the most fuel efficient route not the fastest, it’s the default I believe. I don’t think it’s very effective.
Gmaps is still definitely getting worse over time regardless.
Yes. I know this is like… Cliche but I do want to say that I’ve heard of, and downloaded a new map app called Organic Maps(Play Store). BUT I haven’t used it for navigation yet.
About two days after I found it, play store deleted it but I can link it, so it must be back up. If you just open it, it looks beautiful and immediately you notice that stores are not paying money to be prioritized. You can see ALL the businesses equally and I love it.
It’s great with navi, its also great at finding businesses, even offline.
Organic has saved my tail a few times in state parks where I didn’t have cell service. I tell everyone I know to install it just in case of emergency.
It can be more up to date, or out of date depending on the area. I pair it with Street Complete, which makes it easy to update info, or notifies you information you could provide.
I love Organic Maps. I used it quite a lot for navigation across Europe and here’s my list of findings in order from good to bad
- The maps are visually much clearer than Google Maps
- Businesses are all visible like you said, and so are street names, etc. I don’t know what Google did, but often zooming on something won’t get you the labels. With Organic Maps it just works. On the other hand, businesses are often missing or outdated. Google’s database is way more current and complete.
- Walking paths, benches, bins, etc. are usually better mapped-out (because it’s built on OpenStreetMap). On the flipside, this community-driven approach leaves some roads outdated and occasionally it’ll cause you having to back-track, or ending up on dirt roads. I have fun in those moments though. :)
- Its navigation includes instructions for important Y-junctions in highways where Google Maps just assumes you’ll take the correct lane. On the flipside it’ll often tell you to “go straight” even though there seem to be no other options.
- Generally when navigating, a Google Maps blunder tends to be way more annoying than an Organic Maps blunder.
- It works without an internet connection by asking you to download the maps along your route up front. This can also be a hassle when you just want a quick result.
- Sometimes the position-tracking experiences a delay, which can cause you to miss your turns. This is annoying and I hope it will be fixed.
- Computing a route can take a few minutes depending on the distance and complexity of roads.
- It uses way more battery than Google Maps.
Now, if it wasn’t for this last point, I’d use it over Google Maps every time. But the battery consumption is so bad that I only use it if I know that I can reliably charge my phone throughout the trip.
I wasn’t able to install from the Play Store, but it’s on F-Droid too.
I don’t use gmap for navigation but to check locations. I had to get some cash so looked up atm and found few nearby. When I went there it was just apartments so looked up another one which turned out to just homes and small shops. Ended up getting off and asked someone working in the shop for directions and got everything I could have wanted.
In the last six months, yes. It suggests short cuts that can create long delays. Shorter by miles, but often worse in the end.
Personally, I’ve been seeing way more markers when you zoom in for bigger businesses meaning they are probably going heavy on pay to show.
Not to mention my saved places aren’t permanent markers in the map. I’ll zoom in, still can’t see it. Search for it, oh look, there it is, right where I was zoomed in
Yep, one shape is paid for, the other shape is not (I forget, circles or squares), and to actually see the non paying businesses you have to zoom way in now.
They say it doesn’t affect search
I think it seems that way because it’s trying to promote alternative routes. whether it’s routing around slowdowns, taking a more fuel efficient route, or whatever.
however this could also be due to the user having different expectations for different trips and not changing the settings.
Yeah, about 2 months ago I noticed it no longer recommending a slightly alternate route on my way to work that lets me bypass a potentially 20-minute red light (bad light timing)
If I turn and do it myself it goes “oh shit you right” and gives me an updated ETA and shows the route, but it WONT show the expected slowdown anymore and WONT even suggest the alternate route
Does route calculation happen on device or on Google servers? Is it cheaper for Google to not show alternate routes?
I assume the route calculations happen on device as they work in offline mode, but that doesn’t explain sending me the objectively slower way when it knows what the traffic is like
Also my alternate route passes more businesses, meaning it’s not some “well advertise to him” bullshit
I turned OFF the “prefer eco routed” setting thinking it might be that, but no dice
They switched from giving you the fastest route by default to giving you the one that uses the least gas.
They also now offer alternative routes that take you past businesses which paid money to Google.That’s in your trip options “prefer fuel efficient route”. You can turn it off.
I know. But I won’t.
Hypermiling is as fun to me as driving fast is for others.
It’s like a mini-game I get to play every time I’m forced to drive a car.I hypermile casually but I’m not sacrificing travel time to save a bit of gas.
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Ahh, I misinterpreted your post as a complaint. I’m not a hypermiler, but I do find the efficient routes are often the lowest stress routes as well.
Elites loves to treat working class time as a zero-value resource. It’s just assumed that everyone is willing to give up hours a week if it means using fewer plastic bags, or less gas, or taking a bus instead of a car, or charging their car during off peak hours, or whatever.
Time is treated as negligible in value.
Makes sense. Google has been replacing skilled engineers with tail-eating AI regurgitation engines, which are getting progressively worse as they eat their own shit.
But I’ve been told those regurgitation engines are about to get really smart and replace all skilled labor.
So maybe it’ll be fine.
Or maybe, as we’ve already started to see, more and more useful stuff will only be available via the Internet wayback machine, until they kill it.
When AI gets applied to robot bodies, real world results will be able to trim out bad knowledge. Currently because AI only feeds on internet content, all the AI has to eat is human content and AI content.
AI will drift away from accuracy until it gets embodied at which point it will start to get more accurate.
Real world experience can help, but what we have now is also too stupid to recognize when it’s succeeding or failing. It just greedily gobbles up inputs and feedback indiscriminately.
There’s currently no way to know if the necessary advancement, to advance independently of humans, is 2 years and 2000 years away.
Even so, nature tells us that advancement probably isn’t coming at all. It’s not needed, so long as there are billions of humans available to partner with.
Just have a nuclear reactor to run the LLM on the robot and you’re all set
In my experience, google maps is really bad at finding parking. OSM-data is just better in this regard
Just like their search engine, making you scroll down further and potentially not even wanting you to leave their page, maps is trying to send you into the vicinity of more <insert big brand name who paid the most for ad space> physically so you can go into their store and tell them that you found them along a route suggestion.
I don’t think the above is true. At this point I’m just trying to give them ideas on how to enshittify it more.
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Mine is fine, but somehow my wife’s gives her the worst possible routes that are counter intuitive. We checked all settings about avoiding / not avoiding tolls, ferries, etc. She just some gets crap directions.
I’ve had mine tell me to drive along a rail line
Does it give her bad directions on one device or everywhere she is signed into Google?
She only uses a phone for everything, so checking on a computer login is not easy to do.
Wow, that’s strange. Have you tried comparing the routes it gives you to the same places, side by side?
Yes, it will reroute her to the worst possible wat to get somewhere, while mine will be direct. At first I thought she had bus or walking enabled, but it is set on car, and we have same route settings. I don’t understand it, unless the google algorithm looks at your driving history or something like her phone GPS satellites used are different and somehow location info is different–even though the car tracks on the street possible.
That must have something to do with like A/B testing or something. Like she’s in the guinea pig cohort where she gets the “experimental” routes.
Maybe the answer, to see if routes are valid. They picked the wrong test subject though, she gets so frustrated she sometimes gives up on the trip. lol
Absolutely. Not only does it show ads now, it’s so busy that it’s distracting and hard to keep track of your route.
Yes. It’s hard to make out the map with all the pinned ads sometimes, and I’ve had multiple times this year where it has taken me to the wrong place. Every time that happens, I boot up Organic Maps and get right to my destination.
Lolwut? Didn’t realise they were serving ads on maps too, that’s hectic
You know how you can see pinned restaurants with their name and a fork and knife icon? Businesses can pay to show their full logo and get priority in search results/what shows first on the map as you zoom in.
I’ve been getting weird walking instructions. Like 6 min walk is +30 to avoid some invisible barrier.
I live in a city with great public transport and for years Google maps was great for bus/tube times and walking routes. Now after 6 years of no probs Google maps has forgotten the bus stop right under my window and thinks I should walk up or down the road to the next stop. It has forgotten the crossings what are still there, no road works or anything, and thinks I should take 15 min detour instead of just crossing the street right then and there. It’s clearly going downhill here.
Those invisible intangible barriers can be tricky like that.
