Doesn’t matter what the headlines or the opinion polls say. Vote like democracy depends on it!
I voted for that bowl of tapioca once and I’ll do it again.
I’ll likely vote someone else in the primaries though.
This is the problem, DNC is refusing to hold a primary and is hell bent on forcing one of the only dem candidates who can lose to Trump upon us.
This is mostly about Biden’s ego - he thinks his legacy requires 2 terms. But what of his legacy if he loses the election, and democracy, all at the same time?! It’s madness.
Call your reps. Call the whitehouse. Demand a primary be held so this Titanic can avoid that MASSIVE orange iceberg, because it’s dead ahead right now and we’re barreling towards it.
I don’t live in the US so I don’t have a horse in this race
But it just seems like half of the people here can’t qualify Biden’s successes (and why he’d be worth a second voting for again) and the other half are just scared that Trump is on his way back and therefore the Dems need to vote like crazy to keep him out, regardless of how lacklustre his current term was.
I’ll say it here: he lost the popular vote with his unequivocal support for Israel. As a self proclaimed Zionist, he chose Israel’s genocide of Gaza over Trump’s victory and too many voters are going to remember that over whatever he’s going to promise (which so far is nothing; his campaign so far is just reminding everyone that the other guy exists).
There’s no way Dems win this one, unless Biden cedes to a more worthwhile candidate.
half of the people here can’t qualify Biden’s successes
People are happier running around bitching because it is far easier than taking the trouble to delve into the real news. The MSM is largely responsible for it. Biden has to continue aid to Israel because it is popular. What most people don’t see is his behind the scene work of getting Israel to the table instead of the launch button. Biden has been working through Qatar to get Iran and Hamas to back off, simultaneously rounding up support for a multinational force to enforce a border between Israel and Palestine while possibly establishing a two state solution with international teeth.
I really don’t think Gaza will be a defining issue in the 2024 election. It’s already fallen out of the news cycle and Gaza city will be under full occupation by next Nov.
Trump, however, will be in the middle of taking a huge beating by all his court cases. There’s zero chance he ever gets more support than what he had last election. The best thing we can hope for is that the GOP puts him up for another election.
Both parties have the same issue right now. Both candidates don’t have great appeal. But there aren’t any Democrats that have an issue voting for Biden. He’s been fine as president. We don’t have to worry about him going off half cocked all the time. The party will fall behind him. The same can’t be said for Trump.
The populations of US and Canada have a memory of a frog, the people at large won’t remember a thing unless you blast in on repeat near election time.
Democrats will likely target abortion protection as it is a winning issue and message for them. Republicans might be hesitant to hold on to the Gaza issue for 10 months as it is so divisive and is best exploited when events happen, plus if pressed on what Republicans and some Democrats would do differently you’d get humming, hawing and platitudes.
If I were a US voter (I’m not) I’d try to look past any single event. Trump continuously stirred shit in the US and around the world and spent his time fellating dictators like Putin and Kim Jong Un. His administration focused on separating families at the border, eroding net neutrality, give away money through tax breaks, ample amounts of loans that were forgiven, packing the Supreme court with cronies to twist the meaning of the Constitution. Biden on the other hand put people in charge to hold corporations and anti-competitive monopolies accountable for once, strengthen labour law, did everything in his power to reduce student debt, actually managed the Covid crisis and on and on. He did bung up a few things imo like how he handled the Iraq pullout and the rail strike but those were rough situations that I could at least still put a base amount of trust in him in the future not to fuck up too badly.
Does anyone not think that?
The people who think fascism could never come here, I guess?
The people who think now is the time to make a moral stand by voting 3p
Every time is the time to vote for what you support. If you did we wouldn’t be stuck with neoliberal ghouls like Biden.
You are absolutely correct, instead you’d have the literal fascist Trump instead. It sucks, but as lang as you guys have the first-past-the-post (2 party) voting system, voting for the lesser evil is the best one can do.
The only way to change that is to vote for candidates that support other voting systems like ranked choice voting.
Sorry, but you’re not going to get ranked choice voting just by pretending you already have it. FPTP and the electoral college are realities of US politics and the “lesser of two evils” approach is the only realistic way to play the game.
The executive branch is the wrong place to try to achieve ranked choice voting anyway. Vote for legislative candidates who support ranked choice. If nobody is talking about it, call your representatives. Start petitions. Join grassroots organizations. Anything, but don’t fool yourself into thinking the path to fixing our issues involves voting for Jill Stein over Biden next year.
I’m not pretending we have ranked choice voting, in fact I know we don’t, that’s why I vote for candidates that support ranked choice voting.
I’ll be voting for the candidate that does in each level of government. The greens would run more congressional candidates if you would support and fund them instead of voting for their opposition.
Those people should probably take a look at the Nazi march that went down in Wisconsin yesterday if they think it’s not or can’t happen in the US.
Wait you can lose elections? Shit …
The Democratic party leadership doesn’t seem to understand it
I don’t think about this ever. I’m literally waiting for one of those two worthless parties to die.
Oh, it’s both parties are the same so I’ll do nothing guy!
Biden could have done what’s best for the country and been a one term president. I’ll still vote for him but not because he’s some amazing leader or anything.
So they did it to themselves if they lose.
I don’t know, I think the situation is more nuisanced. I didn’t vote for Biden in the primaries (I did in the general), but I have to admit he’s accomplished a lot more than I anticipated he would. At the time I just wanted a president who wasn’t a complete train wreck.
I’d be all in if he was younger, but even so, I’m not sure what the best option is. If Biden stepped aside, I’m not sure the Democrats’ ability to win in 2024 would go up. Incumbents have an advantage for sure, and there isn’t an obvious choice to replace him. The most important thing at this point is that Trump doesn’t win. Whatever situation maximizes the chance of him losing is good with me.
the aituation is more nuisanced
You got that right!
I see that point of view. Out of curiosity, though, do you think there’s an obvious next in line on the bench? The only person I can think of as a no brainer for electability is Michelle Obama.
Edit: I’m confused as to why my comment has been so controversial. I think it’s because people are misreading my claim. I am saying that Michelle Obama is obviously one of the most electable alternatives to Biden. The polling corroborates this. She is well liked and has 100% name recognition. Seriously, even if you hate her, as an objective empirical fact, she is obviously one of the top contenders for electability.
I am not claiming that she is likely to run or that she wants to run, etc.
She does not want to hold public office. As you may recall she wasn’t treated very well.
Do you think, that maybe, if Biden had chosen to support another candidate, all those “Blue No Matter Who” types would dog pile people not supporting that candidate?
they’ve had four years to figure that out. That they can’t… is either a sign of gross incompetence or of intentionality. either way, at a certain point, you need to stop and realize the way it’s not worked for 30+ years is… not working and maybe it’s time to change things up a bit.
Do you think, that maybe, if Biden had chosen to support another candidate, all those “Blue No Matter Who” types would dog pile people not supporting that candidate?
It depends on how far to the right the candidate is. Get far enough to the left, and they start bein’ like “Party Unity My Ass” and start forming PACs to get Republicans elected
EDIT: I see centrists don’t like being reminded of their proudest moment: trying to get McCain/Palin elected because they didn’t get their first choice in the '08 primaries.
I mean, you’re not entirely wrong for sure. I’m gonna upvote because it’s a really good point, worth thinking about. But I do disagree, somewhat. Trump isn’t McCain. The majority of D voters are looking for someone more left, and the ones who aren’t, are definitely driven by beating Trump. It’s the party leadership that is mostly a problem here. If Biden went rogue and endorsed a leftist, which he wouldn’t do, the DCCC Democrats would be desperately scrambling to undermine that candidate, any way they could, even at the expense of losing to Trump. But that’s also, I think, kind of aside from Ensign Crab’s point, as if Biden had chosen to support another candidate, it would not be a leftist.
It wouldn’t have to be a leftist. Obama wasn’t, and the same people who now scream “no matter who” were screaming “party unity my ass” and raising money to legitimize Sarah Palin at the time.
At the beginning of his term, I’d have said they were lining up Harris; black, woman, young, and they made her highly visible in the first few months. I thought for sure they were going to spend 4 years lining her up for 2024. Biden would gracefully bow out citing his age, ride the 1/2 term election cycle, and badaboom: first female president.
And then she faded away. I don’t know what happened; she didn’t poll well, or do well, or polling showed D chances sank without an old white guy in front… but it makes me kinda sad, because I thought it was a good strategy, and it’d be nice to have a run of diversity in the White House.
I swear it’s like she freaked out at the idea of the attention and just faded out of existence. It’s so annoying cause she crushed people to get where she is and does nothing to make good use of it
She was the least (or very close to it) popular candidate in the primary and people are surprised she didn’t get more popular? She is very much the definition of diversity hire, what she is checks all the boxes, what she’s done is massively unpopular to the majority of democrat voters.
They made her visible with shit no-win issues. She was put on securing voting rights, fixing the border, and recently solving gun violence. Meanwhile the big spend-money bill passes and she’s no where to be seen. I also thought the intention was for her to inherit from Biden, but then they kind of just screwed her over and over.
I’m really hoping Gretchen Whitmer runs in 28 but for this cycle it would probably be Newsome. Sherrod Brown would be great but he is the only person in Ohio that could keep that senate seat blue. Manchin probably runs off Biden isn’t there. Harris and buttigieg are"in line"but personally I can’t stand either.
Tats a really hard question. I guess Newsom or Whitmer if we’re talking politicians that seem to be up and coming. But I can think of many other candidates that I would like to see take the position even if they aren’t as electable. Tammy Baldwin, Mark Kelly, he’ll even Adam Schiff, even though he couldn’t win in the general.
Biden is fine but he looks and sounds horrible quite a bit of the time. There is nothing exciting about his policies and I feel he has way too much baggage.
Gavin would probably be the best pick. But if we’re making up scenarios, hell put Tom Hanks in there or Jon Stewart like that other commenter said.
Really I’ll always be bummed about not having Bernie but that ship sailed as well.
I’m not a super leftist, more of a left leaning no centrist. Still reason, passion, radical change for what a leader could and should be like really get me fired up. The policies are important but we all know that the president is a figurehead as much as it’s a powerful position. I’d rather see someone call the citizens of the country together and be a fighter for even the same type of incremental changes that Biden professes to embrace and maybe have a signature mission.
I do feel that his administration is chock full of smart and professional people. As a leader and a figure he’s just old and gross. Haha.
As other commenters have pointed out, anyone but a conservative would be fine. They all fuckin suck with their evangelical positioning and horrible policies. Trump being the nastiest of the pile.
How do you get MO as a no-brainer? I have never seen any indication at all that she ever wanted the job, and I dont understand why voters are trying to ship her with the office like she’s a CW tv show character.
Oh is that why my comment is so controversial? I specifically said for electability, not on whether she wants the job. The polling corroborates this. She is objectively one of the most well liked political figures in the US today. Note, again, I am NOT claiming she is therefore likely to run.
Most well-liked by Democrat voters
The fascists still insist that she is a trans dude.
I agree, Newsome would have been a good candidate. Hell there are half a dozen good candidates that are half Bidens age. If Dems loose, I agree they did it to themselves by letting Biden run again.
Newsom is too Cali.
I don’t totally disagree, but he’s a straight white man who is really wonky/can dive into the weeds of legislation and is affable. He has a potentially broad appeal with the coasts and Midwest.
What a short sighted view. Had he came in guns blazing we would have never heard the end of it from Republicans. Dudes done quite a lot without giving the Republicans much ammo.
The article could have, but didn’t, make the point that our politics and the rhetoric surrounding it today serve the right by subverting faith in democracy, and by exhausting likely voters’ critical faculties:
Yesterday, David Roberts of the energy and politics newsletter Volts noted that a Washington Post article illustrated how right-wing extremism is accomplishing its goal of destroying faith in democracy. Examining how “in a swing Wisconsin county, everyone is tired of politics,” the article revealed how right-wing extremism has sucked up so much media oxygen that people have tuned out, making them unaware that Biden and the Democrats are doing their best to deliver precisely what those in the article claim to want: compromise, access to abortion, affordable health care, and gun safety.
One person interviewed said, “I can’t really speak to anything [Biden] has done because I’ve tuned it out, like a lot of people have. We’re so tired of the us-against-them politics.” Roberts points out that “both sides” are not extremists, but many Americans have no idea that the Democrats are actually trying to govern, including by reaching across the aisle. Roberts notes that the media focus on the right wing enables the right wing to define our politics. That, in turn, serves the radical right by destroying Americans’ faith in our democratic government.
There’s also the tendency for people to assign to the incumbent all of the problems that happen on his watch- at this point, even with material improvements for most people, it’s a hard sell to convince people that they’re better off when every bit of right-wing media is devoted to telling people they’re worse off and the mainstream media just both-sides it like there isn’t one party trying mightily to end American democracy.
Right wing media hasn’t eliminated the incumbent advantage.
Stop trying to trick people into thinking they want the Dems to weaken their position by officially showing the world that they don’t have full faith in our current president.
Unless you really just don’t realize…
Stop trying to trick people into thinking they want the Dems to weaken their position by officially showing the world that they don’t have full faith in our current president.
What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I say that?
Uh… Haven’t we been screaming that Biden is a pretty bad candidate since he took office and begging him to not run for re-election?
This is a surprise to who?
Even Obama said Biden shouldn’t run in 2020, but when it seemed like Bernie Sanders would win, he put in the calls to get other candidates to drop and support Biden, who became the democrats’ only hope.
I’m starting to think that loosing this election is the dnc’s plan.
It’s what the oligarchs want I suppose.
“we don’t want an octogenarian! We want a fascist orange septogenarian!”
I’m sure we can find a 50 year old white man that will allow the oligarchs to steal wealth from everyone! Why can’t we let them run!?
Voting for Biden or any Democrat is like voting for a car salesman. They’re there to sell you corporate bullshit. Voting for Trump or any republican is like voting for a used car salesman. They’re trying to sell you old non working pieces of crap or shitty russian knock offs.
Wake up call for who? Will the Democrats ever wake up and give their base something to vote for, instead of “hey, the other guys’s worse, whaddya gonna do?”.
What the hell are you talking about???
The dems have absolutely given us things to vote for: infrastructure act, record low unemployment, union support with the pres visiting the picket line for the first time ever, we have the best inflation rate across all of the G7.
Yeah it’s not enough but that’s on the contrarians more than anything else.
The fuck you talking about
They’re repeating right wing propaganda, that’s what’s up.
Sorry, they are not repeating right wing propaganda. They are going outside and having yellow, asparagus smelling, liquid fall on them. Then everywhere they go Democrats are telling them it’s not piss.
I mean generally speaking, if you think the infrastructure bill, inflation reduction act, and billions in student loan forgiveness aren’t “something to vote for”, one of two things are true. Either you’re utterly delusional, or you’re a Republican.
I mean, who else but a conservative could look at these and say they aren’t accomplishments?
I mean sure, they are accomplishments but a pittance for Americans looking for real change. The OP is speaking directly to the democrats setting their sights on progressive policy.
Biden wants to do the presidency like they did in the past, dodge any real conflict and keep the country running for another four years. He doesn’t care that if the country was a car its a Model T and thinks we should be happy that he changed the tires.
It doesn’t matter how many times a Democrat comes up to me and slams their fist saying, “look we stopped the Republicans and we did it without causing any waves.” Me, I want to see real policy that helps every American even if it makes the people on the hill uncomfortable. If you think, “well fuck that guy, what can he do? Vote republican?” I’ll tell you want I can do and that is be dissatisfied even when we both know I’m voting blue all day.
I wouldn’t say some of them are a pittance. The Inflation Reduction Act was so much investment into green energy that European countries had to pass similar bills to stay competitive. I work for a green energy company, and I heard that there were grumblings in European leadership about how much the US was spending.
Likewise, there’s been a ton of money forgiven in student loans, over $100 billion. And you’ve also got the price cap on insulin, or at least some formulations. That change came directly from Biden I think.
It’s significant changes, and it’s what we’re looking for, but I agree it isn’t enough and we need more. We can still appreciate though that we’re moving in the correct direction instead of being stuck. I’ll happily vote for Biden if it gives us more things like this.
Maybe pittance is the wrong term but Bidens also done a lot to sit on his own nuts. I want Biden to act for the working class the same way he responds to anytime there may be an economic crisis when the banks fuck up. I want Biden to have the same level of urgency when he sees the blue collar people are flailing.
Now, I know anytime he bails out Wallstreet he gets zero resistance from the other side but for that exact reason we should expect an even greater response for working class people. Sure he will wheel and deal for us but will he ever stand up for us?
I think there’s a key misunderstanding with regards to what real change should be.
The inflation reduction act seeks to curb inflation overall, that’s the goal. How do we measure the success of this bill? Well, that seems obvious - by looking at how it impacts inflation. Yet is that really meaningful change?
If I leave my house once a month, kick a wall as hard as possible, and then go to the hospital, does the hospital patching up my foot amount to meaningful change in my life? The damage to my foot gets worse every month. My actions eat up actual resources that could be better used to help others. Fixing my foot up is both literally, and figuratively treating the symptom and not the root cause.
The hole that everyone falls down is conflating real change to an immediate reduction in events and situations they personally don’t like. There is no single cause behind the high inflation we’ve seen in recent years. It’s not covid, it’s not printing too much money, it’s not republican or democratic leadership. It’s a byproduct of a collection of systems and their interactions with one another. The sum total of countless decisions spanning decades - from actual changes to monetary policy, to changes on how we teach monetary policy, to reactions to the 2008 crisis, or Covid, or globalization, etc, etc.
Putting an end to recent inflationary trends would do absolutely nothing to change the underlying systems that got us here today. It would do little to change our overall social and economic trajectories. The same goes for student loan forgiveness. Even if Biden made education free for all Americans, would the average American find themselves to be in a better financial situation than, say, 30 years ago? Beyond that, would that cost just magically go away, or simply be transfered elsewhere?
Given recent economic trends, cheaper and potentially free education is practically inevitable. The average worker is trending towards generalization, and the workplace is changing so rapidly that a variety of secondary industries centered around providing educational services to already educated adults have ballooned in size over the past decade. There is no realistic future where education isn’t far cheaper and more available, we’re simply at the point now where this reality is being reflected within the perceived pool of actions available to our leaders - in this particular instance made more available by an immediate need to appease a population segment that’s rapidly seen their future prospects dwindle.
None of what Biden has done is new with regards to actual impact on the average American. He has done exactly what plenty of other American presidents have done prior. The sole reason why you assign more value to his student debt relief program or the added renewable energy subsidies is because it impacts you directly, and is something you can relate to. He has addressed an immediate problem that you strongly relate to.
Some years ago I was enrolled in one of the first real college degrees specifically focused on training individuals to enter the modern renewable energy sector. As part of this program I spent a decent amount of time specifically researching climate policy, and in my own time I made an active effort to study the science behind climate change. This was something like 15 years ago now. One thing that was painfully obvious to me at the time was that significant climate change was practically inevitable.
Positive feedback loops weren’t well understood, but certainly studied and documented enough to be raising some massive red flags, yet climate models always seemed to lean towards optimism for what I can only assume was the sake of political buy-in. And here we are, in 2023, only just admitting that we won’t hit our 1.5C target that was set not even a decade prior. Most people seem to have been very aware that nothing meaningful would be done to prevent climate change.
So why then would you equate the recent surge in spending on renewable energy to real change? At this point in time real change with regards to th global climate crisis can only come as part of a massive, collective effort on behalf of the whole world comparable to what we saw during the great wars of the last century. Investing additional resources in a growing industry that is financially viable is hardly enacting meaningful change - that is simply operating as usual.
It says so much that this is the way you talk about your perceived political rivals.
I’m really tired of being called an idiot and a Republican for disagreeing with the Biden administration, and I’m really tired of voting for people who call me an idiot if I don’t support them.
That really seems to be the best Democrats have to offer, though. Each time it happens, I think a little more about voting for the GOP out of spite.
I directly listed what Democrats have to offer, and you haven’t argued against a single one of them. Infrastructure, Inflation Reduction Act, $100B+ in student loan forgiveness. None of these strike you as better offers than getting snarky comments?
I’m sorry, but I stopped caring about political rivals’ feelings after 2016. I’ll sugarcoat things to people I actually know, but on Lemmy I’m going to say it how it is.
That does include admitting fault if I’m wrong. Show why you think the things I mentioned above aren’t notable, and I’ll happily recant my statements and call myself an idiot if they’re sensible.
Then they promised billions of dollars of orphan killing aid to Israel, because they just can’t resist being neoliberals.
Yes, they’re better than a party full of fascists and fundamentalists, but so is a suit full of roadkill and excrement.
That doesn’t mean people need to enthusiastically cheer as we hurtle towards oblivion.
Sure the rail road workers loved bidens support lol
Yes.
“Biden deserves a lot of the credit for achieving this goal for us,” Russo said. “He and his team continued to work behind the scenes to get all of rail labor a fair agreement for paid sick leave.”
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
Yup great job weakening the union
Your article takes place before this, and nothing here weakens their union
The rail unions absolutely knew the score from the jump
Whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout
How dare people disagree! What idiots, right?
Disagreeing is obviously fine, but playing cherry pick whataboutism games isn’t that
America is becoming increasingly radicalized on both ends, the leftists must side with the center-right neoliberal while the fascists get to vote for fascists.
It isn’t surprising to see disappointment from leftists, even if they still absolutely should vote for the lesser of two evils.
Mmmm, no. I heard that Biden and his ultra-centrist party have done nothing to stop deforestation in the Messia region of Mozambique. I’d rather have Trump and vote my conscience than allow globalists like Biden to ruin the Earth.
(just in case… /s)
I think they do: https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/
I just think the Dems suck at advertising it. Hell, I think Biden is trying for at least some student debt relief.
You aren’t wrong, in a way. I’m nearing fifty and Biden is arguably the most progressive president in my lifetime. The problem is, that says more about the quality of presidents in my lifetime than it does about Biden, and with the climate crisis and encroaching global fascism, we don’t have anymore time to wait. The Democrats are doing more, now, because pressure from the left has convinced them that they have to, but the leadership is still dragging their feet in defense of corporate profits as much as they can. The fact that they are doing more doesn’t mean it’s time to lower the pressure - it means the pressure is working, and we need to dial it up.
I don’t really agree with you, but even if I did… “advertising it” is a big part of politics! It’s called messaging, and it’s important. You have to get people excited to vote for you. They need to feel like you’re fighting for them. If you can’t manage that, then don’t blame people for not voting for you.
Yeah, but there’s a couple things wrong. First, the Dems are trying to DO things, which is exceedingly difficult with a Republican Congress that can’t even agree on a speaker.
But also, DOING things just doesn’t get that much attention.
Fixing the threatening hyper-inflation after the PPP was pretty damn important, but they obviously can’t advertise that because there are side effects. Our economy is returning to being based on real shit rather than make believe Venture Capital bullshit. That’s a painful process, and of course the rich and corporations refuse to feel any of the pain (at least immediately). They’re attempting to pawn all the pain off onto the working class, partly in the hope that they’ll get more corporate tax cuts to “stimulate the economy”.
They’re getting more EVs made in America. The significant tax credit for EVs require that most of the car be made here.
They’re fixing our crumbling bridges and roads. That doesn’t get much attention, and if it does it’ll be a part they’ve failed to address.
Amtrak is building out passenger rail lines that are actually relevant to me. It’s not building metro systems in several medium US cities that need it, but it’s a start.
You know a way that’s much, much easier to get attention? Maybe the Dems should just pick a minority and spout fear and hate. That really plays much better with the public. Just put up a loud mouth who every other day spouts such incredibly dumb shit that the news HAS to cover it. That’s a winning messaging strategy.
I can’t afford an EV. I can’t afford a house. I can’t afford gas. I can’t afford groceries. I can’t afford health insurance-- actually, I can afford the minimum insurance I am required to purchase, but it is basically worthless. This is the kind of shit I don’t hear/see much convincing from Democrats. Yes, fuck the fascists in the Republican party. Unfortunately, fascism can look like an ‘answer’ for these kind of problems. If we don’t want people to fall for that trap, we need popular politics coming from the left.
I can’t afford gas. I can’t afford groceries.
What do you expect any president to do about that?
President specifically, nothing. Government and a political party as a whole? Fix the problem.
There’s lots of ideas as to how to fix the problem, and though I have my own and have preferences, all that ultimately matters is that every single person in the country has a good place to live, food, and healthcare, and generally speaking, the ability to participate in society as much or as little as they choose.
Maybe voting for fewer Republicans would be a good start.
I expect someone running for president to sound like they give a fuck about that, and (once elected) to use their position as the party leader to constantly marshal their forces towards real solutions to those problems.
Naive as hell, we get it.
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He’s currently failing to handle the current most pressing international issue in a way that satisfies his voter base, though.
He is, don’t think that contradicts anything I’ve said though. I’m just saying they do more than they let on.
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The Civil Rights Movement?
investing in infrastructure
The republican approved toll road bill that we got Elizabeth Warren style “let’s split it into two bills!” except only the bad bill got passed?
energy independence
Are you seriously listing Obama fracking the shit out of the midwest as a positive?? And who the fuck benefited from the US becoming an energy exporter?
college tuition assistance
The fuck are you listing this for? Who’s the one who not only refused to jubilee student debt but turned payments back on during an inflationary spike?
NATO dealing with Ukraine
What?? Again, who the fuck is the constituency for this? How is that going to change my landlord taking half my paycheck? And it’s not like Ukraine even won the war.
ending the war on drugs
??? ??? ???
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Every single Republican
Was in the minority. You can’t use them as an excuse for what the democrats did.
Literally republicans
Biden chose to take a route with the debt that invited a challenge. He didn’t want to discharge it. He’s the senator from MBNA. The sanctity of debt is one of his foundational beliefs.
He is the president. The treasury works for him. He holds the debt. He can and didn’t simply write it off.
the entire world who now don’t have to deal with escalation between Russia and the USA
This is the sentence in which you called me a ‘fucking idiot’ and I have to say the idea that a proxy war doesn’t count as escalation is one of the smartest things I’ve heard from you.
But republicans are the party of the free market!
Democrats are the party of letting everyone lose their home and have them be bought up by banks, who were bailed out when prices were low, who are now charging me half my income in rent.
The fuck are you listing this for? Who’s the one who not only refused to jubilee student debt but turned payments back on during an inflationary spike?
I mean if $127 billion is nothing to you, could you spot me a hundred billion?
1.77 trillion and rising.
And not a penny of what he discharged was without a preexisting situation where the debt would have automatically been discharged anyway if the government was actually functional.
And he took credit for it. And people like you carry the message like a game of telephone believing he did something.
Again, who the fuck is the constituency for this?
Me.
They give money to run ads for the most insane GOP people so they can have easier opponents, they wanted Trump to win the primary because it would have made the GOP a laughingstock. Problem is over time this emboldens and normalizes this faction, and now it’s just this death spiral where they can’t change or the other faction will win, it’s like this logical inevitability at this point. Dems said it loud and clear in 2016 they will choose a candidate friendly to donors over one that could easy win against Trump.
Where’d you get this hot take? X or corporate news media?
I get it here on Lemmy anytime someone complains about Biden and they are piled onto by people saying he’s the lesser of two evils.
My question is who are they asking for these poles?
People who are willing to answer a call from an unknown number then answer questions for 15 minutes.
So, basically nobody under the age of about 40.
48 and don’t even answer known numbers.
😂
Worse: people who answer the call on their land line.
But those are the people who vote as long as they have a pulse. Don’t get complacent. That’s one of the reasons we had a Trump administration in the first place.
Damn, dude. Why you gotta do my like that? I grew up on (dial up) internet, dammit.
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polls
The political state of America feels like a pole. An ungreased one, shoved straight up the bhole
Sideways.
methodology shall be listed with the polls themselves.
So sad that after so many failings, they still cannot learn! Do what’s right, not what’s personally profitable, you scumbags.
Do you want trump? This is how we get trump.
Exactly, the best thing Democrats or anti-Trump voters can do right now is blame the party for it’s own failings rather than shame the left voters they need who are on the correct side of every issue. I view that as more a confession than anything. Too often this turns in to “oh you care about ____, well that’s how we get Trump, get off your high horse and live in reality.” Well now that blank is genocide, so they can’t say this and save face anymore. Even though the US is always supporting this type of foreign policy, and you can rant about it all day if you’re on the left while they shame you for caring, you’re only taken seriously by Democrat voters when it’s not able to be brushed under the rug as a minor issue.
Just think about how this is framed, “damn, this genocide is really bad for… Biden’s polling.” If that’s the main concern of someone’s here then you’ve already lost.
If you want to prepare, watch The Handmaid’s Tale. Probably less entertaining when it’s real life.
unfortunately for us and the world:
Do you want trump?
Roughly half of voters: YES
If you support biden, you are the scum bag.
Billions for bombs on Palestine, zero money for student loans.
I will never forget. And I will never vote blue again.
Billions for bombs on Palestine
And that’s wrong. But it’s better than a Trump presidency giving x10 the amount.
zero money for student loans.
It wasn’t zero. Biden was still able to get some borrowers off the hook, just not as sweeping as necessary.
And you’re ignoring SCOTUS’s part of this.
And I will never vote blue again.
Which is the exact type of decision that will lead us to another round of election lies, social safety net destruction, defunding of education, and corruption.
I’d rather haven Biden than live in Gilead.
Biden cuts a check for genocide
Dem voter: better than trump, better than trump, better than trump, better than trump.
You should get this tattooed on you.
And you’re ignoring SCOTUS’s part of this.
No I’m including the flaws in the supreme court as apart of a large flawed structure that you insist I buy into and support.
It wasn’t zero. Biden …
I saw exactly zero money for student loans from biden, so that’s how many votes he will get from me.
Biden cuts a check for genocide
Bringing this up again and again doesn’t help your argument when I’ve already addressed it.
Dem voter: better than trump, better than trump, better than trump, better than trump.
Have you run out of arguments, leaving you with mocking as your last resort? Or do you have an actual argument here.
I saw exactly zero money for student loans from biden, so that’s how many votes he will get from me.
For you it was zero but it wasn’t zero as a whole like you’re trying to pretend.
For you it was zero but it wasn’t zero as a whole like you’re trying to pretend.
Biden ran on debt cancellation, not a debt forgiveness of loams already eligable for debt relief.
This did nothing for me and thus I will give biden nothing.
Or do you have an actual argument here.
Do you? Your only argument is better than trump.
You deserved to be mocked, your playing into the same lesser of Two evils logic they were using with George W bush.
Biden ran on debt cancellation, not a debt forgiveness of loams already eligable for debt relief.
This did nothing for me and thus I will give biden nothing.
You said it was zero but it wasn’t.
Do you? Your only argument is better than trump.
On basically ever single issues Biden is better than Trump I’m at least some way. That’s about as good as it can get in our two party system.
You deserved to be mocked, your playing into the same lesser of Two evils logic they were using with George W bush.
You’re just using ad hominems. And it shows how dogshit your arguments are.
You said it was zero but it wasn’t It was zero for me, and everybody I have ever met.
On basically ever single issues Biden is better than Trump I’m at least some way.
And yet everything still sux.
You: Would you like to eat dog shit or chicken shit. ?
Me : I don’t want to eat any shit.
You: you must choose chicken shit or we will have to eat dog shit every day!!!
Me: What if we found something other than shit to eat?
You: better than dog shit! better than dog shit! better than dog shit!
zero money for student loans.
I will never forget.
Bruh you already forgot lmao
Through making changes to programs, after SCOTUS rejected his larger plan, $127B in loans has been forgiven.
This brought zero relief to me. So thanks biden for nothing. Nice gotcha tho.
Ah yes, because as we all know, the only thing that matters about politicians is their direct effect on Discoslug’s personal well-being, other people be damned…
other people be damned…
I guess your not including Palestinianz as people?
Pretty on point for a genocide supporter.
How about women then? Because guess who isn’t trying to end reproductive rights? One guess.
This isn’t even on the national level. We just voted here in Ohio to enshrine them into the state constitution, and wouldn’t you know it, the state legislature immediately responded by openly expressing their intent not to abide by the will of the people. Who makes up the majority (~70%) of the legislature here? Again, one guess.
By the way, I also had a choice on the ballot for who is on the board of education. One was a right-winger. The other was… also a right-winger, and an avowed member of Moms For Liberty. Maybe anyone on the left who was qualified for the position thinks like you, that nothing important gets done at the local level. [I voted for neither because, unlike you, I literally had no choice, it was a one-party vote] So now we have two more people on the school board who can and will work to ensure that kids learn the virtues of slavery, “traditional” family roles at the exclusion of all others, the nonexistence of people who are not 100% straight, and so on. But I’m sure that you’re cool with that because none of this pertains to genocide, the
most importantone solitary issue that matters in our lives. Guess we should stop caring about all that.In conclusion, thanks for nothing.
So if you don’t personally benefit, it doesn’t matter? Don’t expect others to care about you if you only care about yourself. Because Biden not forgiving Discoslugs student loans isn’t a problem to me, nor anyone else here. I don’t see why that should factor into my voting decision or anybody else here’s.
Don’t expect others to care about you if you only care about yourself.
Like how you are caring about the Palestinian people being genocided rn? by voting for the guy who approved money for their ongoing genocide.
I could ask you the same question.
Fewer Palestinians are going to die under Biden than Trump. Do I wish the number was 0? Yes, absolutely. And I’m really disappointed it isn’t. But there’s still a choice to make here that’ll save Palestinians who would be otherwise killed.
If 10,000 more Palestinians would die under Trump than Biden, and you don’t see that as enough reason to vote for Biden, what does that say about how you feel about those 10,000 people?
There’s a very easy way to tell the difference between someone paying lip service or using a tragedy as a weapon, and someone who actually cares about the issue. The person who cares doesn’t stop when 0 deaths isn’t achievable – they keep working to make the number as close to 0 as possible. And with this context, when the options are to vote for Trump, Biden, or neither, I think the choice is fairly clear.
Democrat leadership has a severe communications problem. I’m not sure why they refuse to fix the disconnect.
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Controlled opposition, weaponized incompetence
Because it’s not a communication problem any more than the GOP had a messaging problem some years ago.
You can’t communicate your way out of shit governance. Democrats just keep getting further and further out of touch with working class Americans.
It’s a good thing Republicans are better for the working class then. GTFO of here with this argument. Our federal gov has 2 ellectible parties, vote for the one that sucks less in the general. Anything else is voting for the Republican candidate.
I’m not a shill either, I fucking hate the democratic party, but I’m also not dumb enough to trash them to a point that I don’t fully support them in the election.
Sure that’s all well and good for a personal ethos POV, but traditionally the Democrat path to victory is to get more people to vote by energizing the voter base. So being out of touch matters immensely and simply not being Trump is not going to engage the people the Dems need to win.
It was never about Dems vs Republicans because Dems don’t win by making Republicans vote for their candidate, Democrats win when they can increase voter turnout.
federal decriminalization of cannabis would be a nice card to play in a year.
He said he would pursue it in Feb. 2021, part of me wonders if he is waiting to drop that bomb so it’s fresh in people’s minds come election time
Too bad that one party being much worse doesnt make the faults of the Democratic party untrue. They havent really been much for real democracy lately have they? They push candidates unfairly. Do back market deals to enrich themselves and keep seats of power. And all while actively help push extreme right wing electorates to make themselves look better.
If someone was murdering children and the other person raping them and we had to pick only one to be in charge of the daycare I’m not picking the murderer but im certainly not gonna sit by and ignore the fact that we are putting someone very wrong for a position in place and im gonna fuckinf raise hell about it.
You cant just say the other person is worse and expect people to just stop talking about the obvious faults that are apparent in your choice.
Maybe their strategy for getting votes could be something better than “the other guy is worse”.
That’s pretty much all they have.
Nobody has ever really been excited about Biden, and there isn’t a clear heir for the Dems either. Bernie is ancient, and while there’s a lot of love for AOC from the base, she’s perceived as too far to the left for the swing voters.
The Republicans are REALLY good at identifying potential threats early and attacking them. They did it with Hilary for decades, and they’ve already started with AOC’s generation. The only one they really missed since the 90s was Obama, but he pretty much came out of nowhere.
That’s absolutely not true. Dems and Biden administration have a lot of good ideas, and they do a lot of good shit, genuinely good, important shit. The thing is, they are terrible at advertising it, and their good shit is not enough because the country deep in trouble, so probably they could do more, and they definitely need to do more. But to say that they don’t have anything is not only untrue, but also very dangerous
The Democrats need a guy in a baseball cap who just, totally gets you bro.
That’s pretty much all they have.
Except for all the good things biden has done. https://www.reddit.com/r/WhatBidenHasDone/comments/11lohnc/what_biden_has_done_year_three_year_one_two_are/
But the sad reality is that doesn’t generate excitement.
And Trump was so bad that “He’s not Trump” legitimately is the best reason to vote for Biden no matter what his record is, so it’s hard to focus on the rest.
Sadly I think this country is so right wing, that they will literally vote for Adolf Hitler before letting a woman be in charge.
Ok so it starts with you. Volunteer with your local voting rights groups and get people registered to vote. Work their social media teams. Go to high schools and go register those turning 18. Voting rights groups are well known for this useful work.
I really appreciate your call to do something. I personally don’t think we can vote our way out of this, but we all need to do something. Anything. Whatever we can and feel called to do. This isn’t the dress rehearsal.
Well, maybe. If everyone hadn’t voted though in the last midterms etc. or even the most recent races, we’d be doing a lot worse now.
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i wonder sometimes what it would be like to cut my intestines with a pair of scissors
That would be less painful than another trump presidency
I’m just imagining domestic terrorists getting pardons and emboldening more and more. Go to conservative forums, people are out for blood. desperate for a scape-goat like the people of Germany in the 30s
I just read “emboldening” as embroidering 😂
Sorry, I’ll quilt bugging you now.
Go to liberal forums and they will call you a fascist for telling them to arm up and be ready to fight against fascists
“Go far enough left and you get your guns back”
You’d be surprised how many of us have been silently training since the insurrection.
We just don’t advertise it on bumper stickers on our trucks
I sure hope so
The government would work a lot better if all the old fucks stopped trying to make everything a petty competition with winners and losers.
As opposed to all the Republicans trying to make it a competition with only losers.
I think they are all equally as stupid and self centered, regardless of which side they are on. The only difference is that the stupidity of Republicans happens to hurt the working class more often than not.
And women and Black folks and Muslims and refugees and environmentalists and disabled people and journalists and subcontractors…
Man, they intentionally picked the most frail looking photo of Biden they could find, didn’t they?
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Wait… Are you talking about the image at the top where he’s got his fingers on his chin?
How does that look frail? Lol. The dude looks healthy, he’s not pallor, his eyes aren’t glazed over, he’s just old lmfao.
His skin and hair make him look like a rest home resident, not the White House resident.
That’s what 80 looks like. Throw in a spray tan and toupee and you get Trump.
MF looks like they shaved one of the old Muppets.
So, what are they doing to energize the base?
Democrat Base: “Hey, can we… uh… fix… you know…” gestures broadly at fucking everything
Biden: “You got it, champ, unlimited funding for Israel’s war effort.”
Just give me fireside chats reassuring us that it’s not just Biden’s rich friends and the sister he forced to help a nanny for his kids that will be ok would be really nice right now.
