It’s always been that way and will always be that way. The point isn’t to stop the infighting entirely, it’s to work in such ways as to reduce the impact it has on the goals we should be striving to achieve. Namely a better world for everyone.
It will always be this way because people have opinions and perspectives. The two best ways to lessen infighting is by having a simple and common end goal. The second is a leader. Find both of these and I guarantee people will follow.
Sure, but there’s a reason that scabs used to be beaten and shunned. Solidarity means everyone, and the consequences for breaking it need to be high or it’s too easy for the bosses to pick people off one by one by offering them bonuses for ratfucking their peers.
Did you forget that shame exists? Not all, hell not even most calls to name an offender are a call for violence, the vast majority are calls for accountability and potentially shame.
I’m no expert, but wouldn’t the snitch have to pay taxes on the reward they receive? So they have earned the ire of a nation for a small stack of cash that they’ll likely blow within a year. Smort.
Someone that has their own morals, and thinks killing is bad?
Can we guarantee they’d report him if there was no financial incentive?
The system really doesn’t give a fuck about your or anyone else’s morals, let’s not pretend otherwise. That’s why they put a bounty on the killer, after all.
I meant in the sense that he took a, well, normal insurer and raised its claim denial rates to one of the highest in the industry. The world is legitimately a better place with him gone, because while I doubt UHC will accept more claims at least he won’t be around to kill even more people.
He isn’t except from the justice system last time I remember. He is also not personally and individual to blame for the sole responsibility of those deaths. Also a murder isn’t the same as a person dying of something else because that didn’t get treated.
I’m not a total corpo bootlicker no worries, but I believe this is just one more death this whole system claims and I despise the celebration of his death. I believe in the end this death changes nothing, like I said
Doesn’t matter. They’ve been at the forefront of bullshit lately, and their product is shit/expensive. McD’s is one of the organizations that needs to just end.
As much as I dislike them calling, I can’t really be mad at someone who’s making minimum or near-minimum wage for being tempted by the reward money. There’s a good chance they’re living paycheck to paycheck.
Well this guy literally had all incriminating evidence on him. With that level of carelessness, he’s gonna get caught sooner or later. Like the pulling the mask down is just asking for trouble.
Maybe he just wanted to chill a bit and see himself famous before eventually planning to let himself get caught. Who knows?
I mean, he might just wanna let himself get caught to not have the blame pinned on a scapegoat.
Having all the incriminating evidence on him seems… Extremely unlikely considering the rest of what we know about the situation.
That’s the type of shit you’d expect from desperate police planting evidence. Planting a random suppressor, a supposedly “phantom” 3d printed gun, and a manifesto isn’t exactly hard. Only the gun could possibly be directly traced to the bullets fired, and that’s not something they can test in the field.
Not saying that’s necessarily the case here, but this would not be the first time law enforcement, including the FBI, planted evidence because of outside pressures.
I mean, there’s probably CCTV footage of him chillin’ in the McDonalds, and also the bodycam footage of the cops entering the Mcdonalds and searching him. Its not that easy to plant a bunch of evidence with all those cameras aroung, and creating a bunch of fake bodycam footage isn’t really that easy. So as long as they release those video footage, I’d believe this is the guy.
Do they plant the evidence on him in the McDonald’s, or is it just in a bag at the station and it’s “found on him” when they search him there?
Planting it publicly seems hard. Would have to give every officer a bag of “evidence” or know who was going to respond to the call.
Besides the whole not getting seen planting it by the public.
I think its standard operating procedure to search a suspect right after detaining to make sure he doesn’t have weapons, so I’d assume its all on the bodycam footage.
Well, if they release bodycam footage of the arrest right at the mcdonalds and also the searched conducted in the same footage, without any cuts, then I’d believe it.
If theres any cuts, or weird video artifacts, or if experts say the footage could be faked, then I’m gonna be very sus.
It sucks major but it could be someone who lives in a small bubble, doesn’t use social media, and only watches fox news. Or whatever local news channel. If that’s all they see, they might think they did the right thing. They could be oblivious.
They could also be a bootlicker. Time will tell if we get more info. If their info is released the 50k probably won’t be worth it.
Nuance: unjustified murder is wrong. Someone who dedicates their life to destroying others for profit, murdering them is significantly less violent than letting them persist, and is therefore justified.
Nuance… There are people calling for violence against the McDonald’s employee who reported the murderer to the police.
Tankies didn’t know the meaning of the word “nuance”. People who express nuance are “Nazi sympathizers” or “class traitors”. Anyone with a remotely “centrist” view is “sitting in a Nazi bar” and therefore culpable.
The leading sentiment in this thread is that while that worker is indeed a class traitor, that their decision was at least understandable due to the financial crunch they’re likely in as a McDonald’s employee.
YOU are exhibiting absolute moralism and an abandon of nuance by cherry picking a few extremists to represent the entire response that’s growing against the unethical direction health insurers’ have taken their industry.
If you see a call for violence against the McD worker, report it.
Yeah, fuck em. They decided to be a piece of shit. That isn’t a call to violence.
“That McDonald’s worker should be hiding”
Probably should be - they just pissed off nearly an entire country. That isn’t a call to violence either.
“The employee sent someone to live life in prison. As far as drag’s concerned, that is murder.”
While not accurate, it’s still not a call to violence.
…maybe cherry picking isn’t what you’re doing after all - it’s sounding more like you’re just making shit up and projecting some fantasy tankie persona onto the comments you don’t agree with.
The bootlickers never cease to amaze me. A McDonald’s employee? Are you fucking kidding me?
That $50,000 bounty is likely a bigger payout than two years of wages as a burger flipper…
And this is how the elite force us “lowers” to fight against each other instead of fighting them.
It’s always been that way and will always be that way. The point isn’t to stop the infighting entirely, it’s to work in such ways as to reduce the impact it has on the goals we should be striving to achieve. Namely a better world for everyone.
It doesn’t have to always be this way
It will always be this way because people have opinions and perspectives. The two best ways to lessen infighting is by having a simple and common end goal. The second is a leader. Find both of these and I guarantee people will follow.
Sure, but there’s a reason that scabs used to be beaten and shunned. Solidarity means everyone, and the consequences for breaking it need to be high or it’s too easy for the bosses to pick people off one by one by offering them bonuses for ratfucking their peers.
It would be a shame if the person who sold out were publicly identified. Hopefully that will never ever happen.
Yes, in all honesty, hopefully that will never happen.
What, are you hoping for vigilante justice against a minimum wage worker?
That person should be publicly shamed for the class traitor they are
Did you forget that shame exists? Not all, hell not even most calls to name an offender are a call for violence, the vast majority are calls for accountability and potentially shame.
I’m no expert, but wouldn’t the snitch have to pay taxes on the reward they receive? So they have earned the ire of a nation for a small stack of cash that they’ll likely blow within a year. Smort.
Nothing good comes out of Altoona, look at their fucking “pizza”
Wtf kind of abomination is that?!
Please don’t tell Jon Stewart
nono. please do. But make sure to record it
Something that would make every Chicagoan and their ancestors cry.
If I were Uncle Roger and I saw this abominable attempt at a deep dish pizza, I’d put my leg down from chair.
It’s a pizza, a sub, and “more”!
It looks like someone melted orange plastic on a dish sponge that was used to clean up a picnic table after a seafood boil
How to piss off the entire population of Italy in 1 image
Or just anyone who likes food.
Italians will just shrug and say “Beh, è l’America.”
who the fuck tried to upscale ghetto pizza (which is basically toast, ketchup and sliced american)
Hey you’re messing with our class solidarity posting that
Wow
Burn it! Burn it with fire! The power of Christ compels you!
Euccchhh what the fuck??
Not really “bootlicker”.
A victim of propaganda.
Or “useful idiot”
Or really just someone on a shit wage with rent and bills that saw 50k as an end to their immediate issues.
One can make a good living stealing out of a blind man’s cup.
How about posting a gofundme (or whatever) to collect whatever money they want to not snitch
Someone that has their own morals, and thinks killing is bad? Totally a bootlicker! For me its about principles. The death of this CEO changes nothing
The principle should be “harm society at large, abandon the protections of society”.
Not a fan of human rights, are you?
Can we guarantee they’d report him if there was no financial incentive?
The system really doesn’t give a fuck about your or anyone else’s morals, let’s not pretend otherwise. That’s why they put a bounty on the killer, after all.
So if killing one person is bad, isn’t killing hundreds to thousands of innocent people/year hundreds to thousands of times more bad?
I think their argument is his death changes nothing.
It does, though. This guy was a fucking asshole even for a health insurance company CEO.
I mean, yes it does change things for CEO+family. But nothing is going to change regarding how these companies treat people.
I meant in the sense that he took a, well, normal insurer and raised its claim denial rates to one of the highest in the industry. The world is legitimately a better place with him gone, because while I doubt UHC will accept more claims at least he won’t be around to kill even more people.
He won’t be, but the next guy will do the same shit.
He isn’t except from the justice system last time I remember. He is also not personally and individual to blame for the sole responsibility of those deaths. Also a murder isn’t the same as a person dying of something else because that didn’t get treated.
I’m not a total corpo bootlicker no worries, but I believe this is just one more death this whole system claims and I despise the celebration of his death. I believe in the end this death changes nothing, like I said
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First they let Trump work the fryer for a PR stunt, now this. Fucking McDonald’s…
If they weren’t already on your boycott list, now’s the time.
I don’t eat at McDonald’s for a variety of reasons, but I doubt very much that the company has anything to do with the guy being called in.
Doesn’t matter. They’ve been at the forefront of bullshit lately, and their product is shit/expensive. McD’s is one of the organizations that needs to just end.
As much as I dislike them calling, I can’t really be mad at someone who’s making minimum or near-minimum wage for being tempted by the reward money. There’s a good chance they’re living paycheck to paycheck.
And they’ll be back to paycheck to paycheck soon enough.
Have a little faith in humanity? If it’s a 19 year old working through college that’s basically their whole 4 year tuition and them some in that area
Didn’t say I didn’t have faith. But the likelihood they will have much in a years’ time is extremely low.
You must not know how much tuition is. That’ll cover a year at a place like NYU. Maybe 2 years for an out-of state school.
Well this guy literally had all incriminating evidence on him. With that level of carelessness, he’s gonna get caught sooner or later. Like the pulling the mask down is just asking for trouble.
Maybe he just wanted to chill a bit and see himself famous before eventually planning to let himself get caught. Who knows?
I mean, he might just wanna let himself get caught to not have the blame pinned on a scapegoat.
Having all the incriminating evidence on him seems… Extremely unlikely considering the rest of what we know about the situation.
That’s the type of shit you’d expect from desperate police planting evidence. Planting a random suppressor, a supposedly “phantom” 3d printed gun, and a manifesto isn’t exactly hard. Only the gun could possibly be directly traced to the bullets fired, and that’s not something they can test in the field.
Not saying that’s necessarily the case here, but this would not be the first time law enforcement, including the FBI, planted evidence because of outside pressures.
Ehh…
I mean, there’s probably CCTV footage of him chillin’ in the McDonalds, and also the bodycam footage of the cops entering the Mcdonalds and searching him. Its not that easy to plant a bunch of evidence with all those cameras aroung, and creating a bunch of fake bodycam footage isn’t really that easy. So as long as they release those video footage, I’d believe this is the guy.
Do they plant the evidence on him in the McDonald’s, or is it just in a bag at the station and it’s “found on him” when they search him there? Planting it publicly seems hard. Would have to give every officer a bag of “evidence” or know who was going to respond to the call. Besides the whole not getting seen planting it by the public.
I think its standard operating procedure to search a suspect right after detaining to make sure he doesn’t have weapons, so I’d assume its all on the bodycam footage.
Well, if they release bodycam footage of the arrest right at the mcdonalds and also the searched conducted in the same footage, without any cuts, then I’d believe it.
If theres any cuts, or weird video artifacts, or if experts say the footage could be faked, then I’m gonna be very sus.
Plenty of people bought in to the messages of popular media. Hard to change a mind that follows so blindly.
Rich people are the only class with any solidarity.
It sucks major but it could be someone who lives in a small bubble, doesn’t use social media, and only watches fox news. Or whatever local news channel. If that’s all they see, they might think they did the right thing. They could be oblivious.
They could also be a bootlicker. Time will tell if we get more info. If their info is released the 50k probably won’t be worth it.
I mean, he has a very active Twitter account
Idealistic teenagers will get you every time. Old enough to drink the Flavor Aid, young enough to not have the experience to temper it.
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Who probably doesn’t even have health insurance at all. People acting against their own self-interest are all over the place.
How is tipping off the police to get the cash reward against your self interest? Holy fuck dude.
Some people really do seem to believe that “murder is wrong.” Who’d have thought?
“Murder is wrong, even if its Osama Bin Laden or even Adolf Hitler”
Nuance: unjustified murder is wrong. Someone who dedicates their life to destroying others for profit, murdering them is significantly less violent than letting them persist, and is therefore justified.
Nuance… There are people calling for violence against the McDonald’s employee who reported the murderer to the police.
Tankies didn’t know the meaning of the word “nuance”. People who express nuance are “Nazi sympathizers” or “class traitors”. Anyone with a remotely “centrist” view is “sitting in a Nazi bar” and therefore culpable.
This place is a shithole of absolute moralism.
The leading sentiment in this thread is that while that worker is indeed a class traitor, that their decision was at least understandable due to the financial crunch they’re likely in as a McDonald’s employee.
YOU are exhibiting absolute moralism and an abandon of nuance by cherry picking a few extremists to represent the entire response that’s growing against the unethical direction health insurers’ have taken their industry.
If you see a call for violence against the McD worker, report it.
Cherry picking??? There are tons of examples!
“Fuck the people who reported him.”
“That McDonald’s worker should be hiding”
“The employee sent someone to live life in prison. As far as drag’s concerned, that is murder.”
Something something “nazi bar” my friend. Or in this case it’s a “tankie bar”.
Yeah, fuck em. They decided to be a piece of shit. That isn’t a call to violence.
Probably should be - they just pissed off nearly an entire country. That isn’t a call to violence either.
While not accurate, it’s still not a call to violence.
…maybe cherry picking isn’t what you’re doing after all - it’s sounding more like you’re just making shit up and projecting some fantasy tankie persona onto the comments you don’t agree with.