There is no good reason, even with plenty of advance warning, to require a third party account for a single player game.
Yup. I get why some people might not care, but I don’t understand the people trying to defend this.
Would these people defend drinking a Verification Can™ as well? After all, it only takes a few seconds.
Oh man, I’d forgotten the verification can thing. There’s a blast from the impending dystopian past
Yep. On the older games, and Spider-Man, it was optional but you get cool stuff if you do. Why not keep it optional?
I will absolutely be playing this game.
I will not be purchasing it, however.
Arrrrr you ready kids?
Aye-aye, Captain!!!
Question is, to pirate it now or wait for the lirate version to get some patches too?
I’ve gotten updates for games like Ghost of Tsushima, depends on who it’s released by
I mean, I like to think Sony made it perfectly clear this time around. There’s really no excuse this time. People were warning other people, Sony had it on the system requirements sheet, and Steam had it listed as soon as the page went up. So if you still picked up the game and then decided to bitch about the PlayStation Network requirement because you didn’t know, that’s on you.
Flipside, if you bought the game just to bitch about the PlayStation network requirement, knowing full well this would be a requirement, you’re way more privileged than me. When I don’t like how someone does something, I typically don’t give them money unless I don’t have a choice.
Honestly I appreciate them buying it and expressing the disappointment in Steam reviews. It is the best way to get attention to it since people aren’t going to refrain from buying it. Boycotts don’t work so people expressing their thoughts is the best we got.
“boycotts don’t work” lmao
The gaming community is incapable of executing an effective boycott because they cannot go 5 minutes without the thing they like. So they’ll pre-order garbage, never learn their lesson, and complain the whole time while paying a premium, instead of exercising restraint and playing something else - like one of their 4,000 unplayed games in their bought library.
Boycotts only work when the group boycotting is large enough to impact the bottom line.
Most gamers just don’t care enough about accounts and launchers to boycott a game or company. They just want to come home from work and play games.
It’s less about most gamers caring and more about people failing to advertise the boycott and act effectively. I just think the gaming community is much larger than people realize and even if everyone in a subreddit about the game agrees to boycott it, that’s nothing compared to the number of people who play that game and aren’t in the subreddit and don’t know to boycott.
Yeah, they left off the rest of that lesson, which is “boycotts don’t work if you don’t fucking do them”. Boycotts work when they happen, and it’s still a good thing to personally boycott a game you feel isn’t up to your standards even if the broader community isn’t, but it’s been consistently shown nonetheless that gamers are horrible at wide-scale boycotts.
What do you think I meant by people won’t refrain from buying. People not buying products they weren’t going to buy anyways isn’t a boycott. Do you trust the gaming community to actually not buy something they want?
People are misunderstanding that boycotts won’t work in this case means a boycott isn’t going to happen.
If people don’t refrain from buying then boycotts won’t work. Gaming community is more effective at creating noise than not buying a product they want.
RuneScape would like a word with you
The gaming community is incapable of executing an effective boycott
If that’s the case, then explain exactly why Sony backed off of the account requirement for Helldivers 2
Bad reviews on steam causing a lot of negative publicity.
So, literally the same strategy that gamers are going for here. And you said their methods never work, yet here we are with an example of it working
And you said their methods never work
Where? You need to read more carefully, it’s causing you to write nonsense.
Steam refunds are easy and convenient. I wouldn’t personally bother doing that just to post a “protest review” either, but it’s definitely possible to do without losing any money.
You don’t need to be “privileged”. You buy the game, play it for an hour, leave a negative review, then refund it.
I did this too much and got a message from steam. I think the refund feature is not intended for testing any game and getting money back. :)
I think the refund feature is not intended for testing any game and getting money back.
This is the first sentence from the Steam Refunds Policy page: https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds
You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason.
Yeah but not as often as you want. If you do that for a few games per week, they will get tired of you and ask you to stop.
“Don’t make me tap the sign.”
This is my exact reaction. The issue with HD2 was the bait and switch of adding the requirement at a later date, particularly since they had already sold copies in places where people literally could not make PSN accounts.
Not that I agree with Sony’s decision to require the account for GOW, but at least they’re being up front about it this time. If you don’t want the account, there are 500 billion other quality games you can buy that don’t require one.
HD2 had a linking requirement that was disclosed on Steam from day 1.
Technically yes, but they didn’t actually require it in the beginning and they even sold it in regions without PSN.
It had it in the beginning. They disabled it because it was adding to the long list of technical issues.
Which is yet another reason not to have it in the first place.
Could be people who already have the PSN account. Linking it was never the problem. I don’t want the account
It was also perfectly clear the first time, the CEO of Arrowhead chose to not make the information as readily available as HE should have. Sonys always had the same stance, but one CEO decided to try and stick it to them, and unfortunately, it worked, but they likely won’t get more work.
He chose to turn the requirement off to fix a glitch on their system. It was a requirement, it was listed, Arrowhead is wholefully to blame
Who gives a shit. Arrowhead made a good game. Fuck Sony. No one wants your dumbass PSN account.
They also willfully broke their contract obligations, the game was only made because of the investment by Sony as well. So they took their money and gave them the middle finger and got their fan bases to bash Sony when it was their doing. But sure make fun of an account I guess?
Good. Again, fuck Sony
Also, don’t forget all of the Discovery Channel shows that customers purchased through PSN that Sony stole.
Fuck Sony
Or the time Sony sneakily installed a root kit on your PC when inserting a music CD.
I love how people can stay on topic during a discussion lmfao.
One thing that immensely frustrates me about this is we don’t get this reaction from Ubisoft where an account is required to play pretty much all their games. Nor Activision with Call of Duty.
It’s not great that Sony is doing this, but at the same time the horse has already left the barn and people are just jumping on the rage bandwagon.
I’m not saying don’t be mad at Sony, but can we get this outrage at the other companies too?
This is a single player game that wants me to log in. I won’t buy something like that, irrespective of what company it’s from.
Fair, that’s why I don’t buy anything Ubisoft like Assassin’s Creed.
People had the same reaction, but it was long enough ago to be forgotten old news.
Those are multiplayer games. Totally different.
But this implies same people are also buying those games. Which they might not even be into.
GTA, cod and ubisoft games are polarising.
But there’s a massive crowd who likes single player games. Especially ones that are meant to be good.
Call of Duty uses it for crossplay. Totally different.
Because thats already status quo
Not only do you need an account with those other publishers, but you often need an entirely separate launcher.
This Sony thing is simply creating an account.
This is all just console wars bullshit. It’s stupid when it was Nintendo vs. Sega. It’s stupid when it’s Sony vs. Microsoft. And it’s stupid when it’s PC vs Console.
Grow the fuck up, you emotionally-stunted fucking manchildren.
You really should change your instance with that attitude. Doesnt reflect the domain at all :p
It’s not because “it could be worse” that it shouldn’t be better. There’s no good reason to force players to sign into a dedicated account to play a singleplayer game. It’s not because other publishers are worse that this isn’t a gaming sin. Pointing the finger to less green pastures only gives the current one a chance to match the landscape.
Ok, cool.
Let’s revisit this when Rockstar gets universal adoration for GTA6, which will absolutely require a Rockstar account & launcher.
GTA6 will almost certainly be a multiplayer game. As others have pointed out, at least there’s a logic behind it for a multiplayer game. There is exactly zero reason, other than corporate bs, to have this in a single player game. That’s been the argument in this entire thread, so GTA6 possibly getting praise while also requiring a separate account is entirely irrelevant.
You really think GTA6 won’t have a single player component? And that it won’t require a Rockstar account/launcher?
Gta6 isn’t singleplayer only, do you really need it spelled out for you?
Multi-player games can use being a multi-player game as an excuse for “needing” a launcher.
An always offline, single player game, where no one will ever see or touch your progress, does NOT need a launcher, and realistically should and could be sold on GoG with no DRM.
The only way to change this pattern is by getting mad, and not buying games that add a launcher to a single player game. (Helldivers was different because they added it as a forced requirement months after release. Even though it had been proven it was not neccessary)
You see, there’s the thing. Sony is not requiring any sort of launcher. It’s an account.
“But mah privacy!”
Again, no launcher. What exactly are they going to track? That you’re playing their game?
Yup. Sadly it’s always the same old song and dance. Death by a thousand cuts because basic consumer rights don’t actually exist.
But asmondgold doesn’t have to! Why should I?!
/s
So that’s who that tool is that’s trying to convince me I need to hate another game every time I rot my brain on TikTok.
I don’t know how many times I’ve told that app I’m not interested in how much he hates Star Wars Outlaws.
I mean at some point gamers need to vote with their money if Sony keeps ignoring common sense requests.
Your shiti data mining for 70 bucks product is disgusting, corpo creeps need to get a reality check.
Deny the parasite profit folks!
just fucking pirate it.
I’m all for piracy but the average person has no idea what they’re doing and will most likely end up with a bunch of viruses due to lack of experience or people to show them how to pirate safely.
I’m tired of this issue being completely ignored in these situations. Pirating games is even harder than pirating movies or tv shows which is already difficult if you don’t know what you’re doing. .
Just download the fitgirl repack. It’s really is extremely easy.
I like the idea of Kratos being 100% aware of everything and him just being disappointed in IRL people
Are people this mad about Microsoft accounts? I picked up Forza Horizon 4 and couldn’t play at all until I signed in with one. However I already had one from using OneDrive.
Rockstar too. Can’t even play RDR2 solo without creating an account.
I do hate Sony extra because they’re the fuckwits behind some particularly stupid DRM schemes. But some of the games they’ve been publishing lately are good and very welcome on PC aside from this account crap.
Did it count as being mad, that I just don’t play any games that require linking accounts? There’s plenty of games that don’t require it that I can pay, and missing out on some high budget good games that everyone is talking about isn’t a big enough deal to me that I will be fine with just skipping it.
Nah, IMO that’s pretty reasonable. I would say “mad” here means someone bought the game and then gave it a negative review over the account linking.
If I bought the game without realizing this, I would definitely give it a bad review because of it.
Have you had that happen with Microsoft / Rockstar / Ubisoft / EA / whatever accounts? That was my actual question.
Some old Ubisoft game pissed me off like that I think, required their account and launcher and pissed me off. I think I left a bad review in that one because of it, unless I was too lazy to.
Both games mentioned have multiplayer sections within them
It would be better if you didn’t have to sign in until you chose to play MP, but to a degree it is somewhat understandable to have you log into a game with MP
This game annoyed me. The first was so so good and the second felt like two games rushed and crammed into one for the sake of ending the Nordic story, so Kratos can move on to another Pantheon
How can this surprise people… i removed it from my wishlist last time it was on sale, not because i dont want it, but because Sony is behind it.
Welcome to the bait and switch.
Doesn’t it have Denuvo too?
Looking at the RUNE release seems there’s only Steam DRM so no Denuvo
Nice
It’s their game, they can do what they want
But why is a steam account necessary to run the game
Did people not see this coming? The other ported games have psn requirements, HD2 seems to be the only exception.
No, that’s incorrect. None of the previous games required it, except for multiplayer. For example you could play the Ghost of Tsushima campaign just fine without an account. This one seems to be entirely singleplayer and yet requires an account for no reason.
Not a good sign for the future of GOG games either, which has had single player games be released on GOG after a delay. Wonder how adamant Sony is about PSN.
I’m sure that Sony is bitter about giving in to the HD2 backlash and will never allow that to happen again.
I mean they are requiring PSN for single player now when they used to only require it for online play.
Don’t buy sony slop!
They don’t respect the gamer. Fuck em
Til.
Yes they did. Should they not be upset about it because they knew it was going to have it?
