Yeah, I’m noticing a nearly complete disregard for actual artists to the point where I can pretty much guess who is and isn’t an artist in this thread.
Artists burnt out my empathy towards them with their elitism and fear mongering. They arent special in capitalism’s march to take our livelihoods away from us, but they decided to lash out at their own class instead of lashing out at the corporations taking their jobs
Funny, I don’t remember lashing out. I just wanted to use my art to make sense of the life changes my disability has brought about. Fuck corporations every day, but you’re no better lumping every artist together as this monster in your head. Your empathy isn’t as important as you think it is.
Never said my empathy was, just that you arent entitled to it. And cool, keep making art for yourself, and I’ll keep making art for myself. If you stop making your own art because of how I make mine however, I dont really have any sympathy at ALL
Maybe that’s because their own class is stealing and emulating their art without permission, sometimes even on purpose as a “fuck you” to them. In this case it’s not just the corporations screwing them over.
They’ve decided to brand what the AI does as stealing in order to twist the narrative. It isnt stealing when the images are generated from scratch. And because they are using full manipulative tactics to enhance their fear mongering, they deserve ever bit of fuck you’s they can get
Generated from scratch? How do you think AI generates images? They need to be trained on images to produce anything coherent, there is no “generated from scratch” with AI (well, DL like stable diffusion)
Do you think humans create art in a vacuum? They dont, they use all the art they have ever seen or grown up around for inspiration. Do you owe Disney a cut because their movies as a child inspired you to get into art?
LLM’s arent a 1-1 comparison to human learning, but they are the closest we have gotten yet. These programs are capable of learning and storing lessons from previous sets of instructions that are no longer currently being provided. Its not completely ridiculous to compare that to how humans learn
I don’t, and I never said that. I was replying to your assertion that it isn’t stealing if it’s generated from scratch. Your assumption that AI (DL) generates from scratch is simply wrong.
Well I’ve watched them get made by scratch multiple times, and when I first started making gens I’d reverse google search them to see if they were too close to anything existing previously and they never were, so, I’m gonna need more proof than anyone who’s claimed it was plagiarism has been willing to provide has given so far
Their own class is making FOSS tools like Stable Diffusion and training models on copyright free sources and AI generated imagery, the corporations are the only ones stealing.
Well there was the incident with voice actress Erica Lindbeck where someone used AI tools to make a song using her voice. That doesn’t fall under any laws currently but it’s still an asshole thing to do, without first getting permission. Or how about when someone was making AI art in someone else’s style and even tried to credit the original artist as if they were the creator.
New tools new problems new solutions. Identity theft has always existed, it’s time for society to realise everything they contribute can now be socialised as knowledge and information for all, including our voices. Other voice actresses, like the one who voiced Lydia for Skyrim, also requested that her voice not be used for mods and facsimiles, this was for the most part respected by the creator community, but can’t be enforced, and any person with less clout won’t have any control over their exposure any more. Society will have to accept that our physical likenesses are publicly accessible information than can be replicated, this was always going to become the case, recording information is what humans do best. Next up, thoughts and memories.
Lmao, nice stealth edit asshole. Nowhere did I say elites. By class meant people who work for a living and barely get by, those who have absolutely ZERO impact on an artists ability to get by. But no, I don t hate art, I love it. I hate elitISM as in the shit you’re pulling by determining what does and doesnt classify as art, and I hate people like you, which a lot of artists are deciding to lean towards in their fear
Ah yes, elitism and othering. I mean, I’m making this art for myself, so the fact that luddites who paradoxically use the internet are angry with me arnet going to stop me using it (See? I can other too!)
Yep. Maybe look into the supply chains that go into making the computer chips for your phones/computers. Pretty hypocritical of you to judge others for using tech that isnt 100% ethically sourced/founded when you are speaking to them using tech that is also impossible to ethically source and obtain. I specifically avoid using artist style tags in my prompts, and do what I can to lessen the grey in my usage of the tech. What are you doing to lessen the grey in your cellphone/computer usage? How dare you profit off of slave labour just so you can look at cat memes?
Bunch of losers that always hated artists and art started calling themselves “”“”“”“”“artists”“”“”“” because they can ask a machine to show them titties (like they couldn’t before), and then use the defence that “artists are othering me even though I’m an artist too!” fuck off.
You’re like a kid that got an easy bake oven and some cake mix and thinks they’re a chef.
Going to a restaurant and telling the cooks they should just surrender before your technological superiority.
Because don’cha know it’s the future and the future can and should roll over millions of people and human suffering is just a variable in an excel sheet and not even the most important, I can ask the computer to show me titties now!
We go from “EASY BAKE OVENS ARE THE FUTURE, COOKS SHOULD JUST GET A REAL JOB LIKE PROGRAMMING” to “Children are just enjoying their easy bake ovens, why are you yelling at them they aren’t real chefs?” in a heartbeat.
I mean if the shoe made in a sweatshop fits. Why the hell are you allowed to use things not completely ethically clean and I’m not? AI art isnt dark enough ethically to be killed in its crib, its far less dark than other things we allow in our day to day lives, its just new and scary, and the Art field has a history of labelling new forms of it as not valid
Most of my friends that are creative make art for themselves first. Some of them make a few bucks here and there and a small fraction of them makes a living with their art. None of them seem worried, their main concern is making art.
Egat i see in this thread is a problem with having a shitty business model if today’s AI is really putting you out of business. Any other technology improvement would have wiped you away regardless. Like I’m picturing people designing logos and all of a sudden becoming useless and complaining that that can’t make art any more
Uh-huh, is this copyright free FOSS tool fed on scraping images from art sites without the artists’ consent or even knowledge?
Give me proof that is not the case, and maybe I’ll shut up and at least go “okay, have fun with your computer-aided collages, at least they are dodging the worst of this fundamentally unethical invention”.
Also lmao at prompt-writing being “art” or “expression” in any way. Reproducing someone else’s shit is not expression.
Hardly so, and not a new problem: art has been made for millennia despite lack of financial security. A couple of exceptions here and there with patronage a la Medici but neither prehistoric people making graffiti nor van gogh were financially secure, and they produced art nonetheless
Well by definition most of us aren’t artists. Artists are a small minority. It would be pretty easy to guess who isn’t an artist by just claiming everyone isn’t except for the people explicitly say they are and it would be like 98 percent true.
Yeah, I’m noticing a nearly complete disregard for actual artists to the point where I can pretty much guess who is and isn’t an artist in this thread.
Artists burnt out my empathy towards them with their elitism and fear mongering. They arent special in capitalism’s march to take our livelihoods away from us, but they decided to lash out at their own class instead of lashing out at the corporations taking their jobs
Funny, I don’t remember lashing out. I just wanted to use my art to make sense of the life changes my disability has brought about. Fuck corporations every day, but you’re no better lumping every artist together as this monster in your head. Your empathy isn’t as important as you think it is.
Never said my empathy was, just that you arent entitled to it. And cool, keep making art for yourself, and I’ll keep making art for myself. If you stop making your own art because of how I make mine however, I dont really have any sympathy at ALL
Maybe that’s because their own class is stealing and emulating their art without permission, sometimes even on purpose as a “fuck you” to them. In this case it’s not just the corporations screwing them over.
They’ve decided to brand what the AI does as stealing in order to twist the narrative. It isnt stealing when the images are generated from scratch. And because they are using full manipulative tactics to enhance their fear mongering, they deserve ever bit of fuck you’s they can get
Generated from scratch? How do you think AI generates images? They need to be trained on images to produce anything coherent, there is no “generated from scratch” with AI (well, DL like stable diffusion)
Do you think humans create art in a vacuum? They dont, they use all the art they have ever seen or grown up around for inspiration. Do you owe Disney a cut because their movies as a child inspired you to get into art?
And how humans understand things is same as feeding pixels to a program?
Give some credit to your brain.
LLM’s arent a 1-1 comparison to human learning, but they are the closest we have gotten yet. These programs are capable of learning and storing lessons from previous sets of instructions that are no longer currently being provided. Its not completely ridiculous to compare that to how humans learn
I don’t, and I never said that. I was replying to your assertion that it isn’t stealing if it’s generated from scratch. Your assumption that AI (DL) generates from scratch is simply wrong.
Well I’ve watched them get made by scratch multiple times, and when I first started making gens I’d reverse google search them to see if they were too close to anything existing previously and they never were, so, I’m gonna need more proof than anyone who’s claimed it was plagiarism has been willing to provide has given so far
It is stealing, the computer just copypastes shit.
Ok grandpa
Also being ageist will not make what I said any less true.
Their own class is making FOSS tools like Stable Diffusion and training models on copyright free sources and AI generated imagery, the corporations are the only ones stealing.
Well there was the incident with voice actress Erica Lindbeck where someone used AI tools to make a song using her voice. That doesn’t fall under any laws currently but it’s still an asshole thing to do, without first getting permission. Or how about when someone was making AI art in someone else’s style and even tried to credit the original artist as if they were the creator.
New tools new problems new solutions. Identity theft has always existed, it’s time for society to realise everything they contribute can now be socialised as knowledge and information for all, including our voices. Other voice actresses, like the one who voiced Lydia for Skyrim, also requested that her voice not be used for mods and facsimiles, this was for the most part respected by the creator community, but can’t be enforced, and any person with less clout won’t have any control over their exposure any more. Society will have to accept that our physical likenesses are publicly accessible information than can be replicated, this was always going to become the case, recording information is what humans do best. Next up, thoughts and memories.
So you hate art, not unusual coming from someone who complains about the “elites” which we all know what that’s code word for
Lmao, nice stealth edit asshole. Nowhere did I say elites. By class meant people who work for a living and barely get by, those who have absolutely ZERO impact on an artists ability to get by. But no, I don t hate art, I love it. I hate elitISM as in the shit you’re pulling by determining what does and doesnt classify as art, and I hate people like you, which a lot of artists are deciding to lean towards in their fear
“Their own class” like the kind of techbro that uses AI “art” counts as an artist in any way, shape, or form. 💀
Ah yes, elitism and othering. I mean, I’m making this art for myself, so the fact that luddites who paradoxically use the internet are angry with me arnet going to stop me using it (See? I can other too!)
“How dare you go against this unethical thing that works based on theft, even though you use technology?”
Yep. Maybe look into the supply chains that go into making the computer chips for your phones/computers. Pretty hypocritical of you to judge others for using tech that isnt 100% ethically sourced/founded when you are speaking to them using tech that is also impossible to ethically source and obtain. I specifically avoid using artist style tags in my prompts, and do what I can to lessen the grey in my usage of the tech. What are you doing to lessen the grey in your cellphone/computer usage? How dare you profit off of slave labour just so you can look at cat memes?
Yeah yeah yeah whatever.
Bunch of losers that always hated artists and art started calling themselves “”“”“”“”“artists”“”“”“” because they can ask a machine to show them titties (like they couldn’t before), and then use the defence that “artists are othering me even though I’m an artist too!” fuck off.
You’re like a kid that got an easy bake oven and some cake mix and thinks they’re a chef.
Going to a restaurant and telling the cooks they should just surrender before your technological superiority.
Because don’cha know it’s the future and the future can and should roll over millions of people and human suffering is just a variable in an excel sheet and not even the most important, I can ask the computer to show me titties now!
Lmao ok there grampa, have fun yelling at children that are just enjoying their easy bake ovens that they aren’t real chefs
Goalposts. Moving.
We go from “EASY BAKE OVENS ARE THE FUTURE, COOKS SHOULD JUST GET A REAL JOB LIKE PROGRAMMING” to “Children are just enjoying their easy bake ovens, why are you yelling at them they aren’t real chefs?” in a heartbeat.
appeal to hypocrisy
I mean if the shoe made in a sweatshop fits. Why the hell are you allowed to use things not completely ethically clean and I’m not? AI art isnt dark enough ethically to be killed in its crib, its far less dark than other things we allow in our day to day lives, its just new and scary, and the Art field has a history of labelling new forms of it as not valid
Most of my friends that are creative make art for themselves first. Some of them make a few bucks here and there and a small fraction of them makes a living with their art. None of them seem worried, their main concern is making art.
Egat i see in this thread is a problem with having a shitty business model if today’s AI is really putting you out of business. Any other technology improvement would have wiped you away regardless. Like I’m picturing people designing logos and all of a sudden becoming useless and complaining that that can’t make art any more
Yeah, but here’s a thing, if you want all of your art made by the middle classes and the financially secure, this is how we proceed.
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My man are you paid to advertise these guys?
You plugged them on every reply lmao.
I’m confused, are you against independent artists using copyright free FOSS tools to express themselves and each other?
Uh-huh, is this copyright free FOSS tool fed on scraping images from art sites without the artists’ consent or even knowledge?
Give me proof that is not the case, and maybe I’ll shut up and at least go “okay, have fun with your computer-aided collages, at least they are dodging the worst of this fundamentally unethical invention”.
Also lmao at prompt-writing being “art” or “expression” in any way. Reproducing someone else’s shit is not expression.
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I’m not gonna give you advertising money for this company you’re very transparently advertising, mate. Use your words instead. 💀
Show me what they are reproductions of, I’ll wait, I have plenty of time.
Hardly so, and not a new problem: art has been made for millennia despite lack of financial security. A couple of exceptions here and there with patronage a la Medici but neither prehistoric people making graffiti nor van gogh were financially secure, and they produced art nonetheless
Well by definition most of us aren’t artists. Artists are a small minority. It would be pretty easy to guess who isn’t an artist by just claiming everyone isn’t except for the people explicitly say they are and it would be like 98 percent true.
True, but some of these people are making it pretty obvious even if they don’t explicitly say anything.