• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    2 years ago

    Everything you wrote applies to the west in equal parts. The choice isn’t between Ukraine being neutral or being under Russian influence. It’s whether Ukraine is in western or Russian sphere of influence. The west has meddled in Ukrainian politics far more aggressively than Russia ever had. Nuland is literally on record picking the government after 2014 coup.

    You actively support NATO which is a genocidal alliance responsible for deaths of millions of people. You have no moral high ground here.

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        2 years ago

        Unlike you, I never claimed any high ground here. I just want to live in a world that’s not being driven towards a nuclear holocaust by ideologues such as yourself.

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            2 years ago

            And more bleating about justifications and morals since that’s all you know. I frankly don’t give a shit about any of that. There are practical concrete steps that can be taken to avoid a nuclear holocaust, and these steps are at odds with your ideological position.

            The whole idea that the westerners are driving the world towards nuclear holocaust is a basic fact of reality. NATO expansion east is the root cause of the conflict in Ukraine. NATO support for Ukraine is the root cause of the war continuing. Western imbeciles who continue to deny these basic facts are directly responsible for driving us towards the brink. You are personally responsible for this.

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                2 years ago

                That’s just more bloviating. The way to ensure nobody launches nuclear weapons is to avoid creating tensions that can lead to launch of nuclear weapons. Whom idiots are going to blame once the weapons are launched and we’re all dying is irrelevant.

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                    2 years ago

                    More moralizing. It absolutely does not matter who launches the nukes first, everybody is going to die exactly the same way including imbeciles who will feel morally superior dying.

                    It is the duty of all countries to avoid situations that can lead to use of nuclear weapons by any country. Everyone participating in escalations of tensions is equally responsible for the result.

                    Russia is indeed not threatening to use nuclear weapons, but it’s also clear that escalating tensions could lead to use of nuclear weapons. This isn’t some paradox. There were plenty of situations during the cold war when a nuclear disaster nearly happened by accident. I guess an utter ignoramus would not be aware of that.