That’s completely unhinged nuts. That’s not even some fringe hit list, that’s literally run by government officials and intelligence personnel…
Also that second article about 13 year old girl.
Faina had already contacted the UN again, writing a letter to Secretary General Antonio Guterres in which she pleaded for him to influence the government of Ukraine to block the Mirotvorets site. In response, a representative of the UN secretary general only urged Ukrainian authorities to stop using children for political purposes.
So Faina reached out to the political and spiritual leaders of Europe, calling for an end to the mass killing of civilians in eastern Ukraine. She wrote letters to French President Emmanuel Macron, Pope Francis, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and British rock musician Roger Waters. She only wanted one thing, she said: To be heard.
All Faina received in reply were automated responses.
It seems that at least Waters heard her though.
What you claim
that’s literally run by government officials and intelligence personnel…
And what the article (that is very anti-Ukrainian) says:
Investigators say that the hitlist, which was created in 2014, is supervised by the public organization “Mirotvorets Center,” which is headed by Roman Zaitsev, a former employee of Ukrainian special services, and by the public organization, “People’s Rear,” headed by George Tuka, a Ukrainian statesman and public figure.
Is exactly how we get complete fringe BS on the internet to begin with. Stop stretching the truth to fit your agenda. Next someone’s gonna come quote you and be like “oh the website is run by the Ukrainian gov’t!”
Exactly. I reported this post for fake news.
Is it run by the governement? Is it a hitlist?
The actual website state otherwise.
This article is a complete fabrication.
Sure, let’s believe a neonazi murder instigating site over people they want to murder for no reason.
Founder of this site is active government official. One of the main members if former intelligence officer - with “former” being oldest bullshit in the book.
And the point is?
That the government is acting completely and utterly deranged. It has gotten worse and worse since it banned opposition parties and closed opposition tv channels. There is no voice except the hard right.
Roger Waters said some anti-NATO things on CNN and now he’s on their official assassination list? Utterly fucking psychotic.
The point of them doing it is to terrorise anyone who even vaguely lightly criticises them or supports the position that NATO is bad and partly responsible for this war. To reduce opposition discourse.
Obviously the Ukrainians are proficient both in asymmetric warfare and psyops. Thing to learn.
It’s not just “psyops” how can you not see that? There is literally no political opposition in the country anymore. It is far right regime that has shut down all opposition and created a scenario in which anyone that isn’t remotely in line with exactly what the regime wants now ends up on an assassination list.
Dismissing it as just “psyops” is a defence of a very clear and inarguable act of fascist terror. By dismissing it we would be normalising the act of putting people on assassination lists for saying extremely mild things that a government dislikes.
Ukraine is acting worse than Israel and people are actively defending and normalising it.
Ukraine now gets a free pass for literally everything because HURR DURR RUSSIA BAD! That was made official when Amnesty retracted their report about unethical Ukranian war tactics this month because people freaked out that they would DARE criticise anything about Ukraine. I’m convinced that they can literally open up an extermination camp for Russian POWs with gas chambers and the West will find a way to spin that as either “they need it to defeat Russia” or “Russians are even worse so that makes it okay”, you know, the arguments they used to smear the Amnesty report.
And these are the people who accuse us (socialists) of “whataboutism”.
I respect your perspective, even if I do not share it.
There is literally no political opposition in the country anymore. It is far right regime that has shut down all opposition and created a scenario in which anyone that isn’t remotely in line with exactly what the regime wants now ends up on an assassination list.
not a shred of self awareness was detected
Zero class analysis. Typically american. Those of us in more class conscious countries can see that this is different when one class does it vs the other.
When the bourgeoisie do it they do it to perform the maximum acts of violence and exploitation upon the workers.
When the proletariat does it they do it to perform the maximum acts of repression upon the bourgeoisie, with the intent on their complete abolition.
One is the abolition of exploitation and the other is the ramping up and climax of exploitation. Can you see the difference between these two things or do you just go through life pretending class isn’t actually a thing?
When slaves rose up an murdered their exploiters, preventing political opposition with the use of guns were they in the wrong for abolishing that form of exploitation? I am going to assume you don’t think so but I could be wrong. Why then do you think the working classes should not prevent political opposition from the people exploiting us?
Didn’t you say you were an anarchist before? Anarchist theory is 100% in favour of completely repressing the bourgeoisie through use of violent force and ruthlessly preventing the political opposition to anarchy as well. Are you just not an anarchist then? Because if you’re against that then you’re literally just a liberal, you do not believe in a fundamental principle of either anarchist or socialist theory. Anarchy is NOT “let anyone do what they want even the exploiters” lmao. I was an anarchist for 25 years before moving over to marxism-leninism.
You love writing paragraphs lol.
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I never said i was an anarchist or any ideology. why are you so obsessed with attacking teams/cults that aren’t your own. Can you believe in things without supporting other people blindly just because that wave your flag or wear your hat?
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Putin isn’t bombing Ukraine because its oppressing his country lmao and its been doing all that fascist shit, assassinating people in other countries + in Russia and stopping all opposition for decades. Its a far right christian nationalist country not the USSR
I never said i was an anarchist or any ideology. why are you so obsessed with attacking teams/cults that aren’t your own. Can you believe in things without supporting other people blindly just because that wave your flag or wear your hat?
You’re fucking around a lot here. You’re clearly a liberal participating in bad faith. They are neither teams nor cults, they are political goals and understanding a person’s political goals is key in analysing their positions and intentions accurately. My attitude and the way I talk to an anarchist is completely different to how I talk to a communist or a liberal, for good reasons. I share much in common with anarchists, I do not share much in common with liberals, the liberal ideology is one of exploitation while the socialist and anarchist ideology is of abolishing exploitation.
Ukraine has fuck all to do with my comment lmao jog the fuck on. Stop changing the topic every other comment it makes it unbearably pointless to engage with you because you. I am not responding to an attempt to change topic unless you actually respond to me instead of avoiding questions and dodging around endlessly. Either talk to me respectfully and actually engage with the things I say or jog the fuck n and stop wasting my time.
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Having a choice between the Ukrainians and the Russian Empire (self-certified genocidal and literally fascist project) I still chose Ukrainians. Let alone the fact that my place is in the pipeline for Russian invasion, just after Moldova and Prybaltyka.
Every Russian politician, oligarch, soldier, agent, troll or useful idiot stopped or scared away by the Ukrainians is one less to deal with, when our time comes.
self-certified genocidal
When did this happen?
Latest version I know, 3rd of April, 2022
This does not support your position that they are “self certified genocidal” and "fascist. What you have linked to quite explicitly states “the people are good, the government is bad”.
You are committing a form of soft holocaust denial when you misuse the term genocide to describe something that is objectively not a genocide. It’s extremely offensive to actual victims of genocide and very damaging when we have to raise the issue of real genocides.
This was Google translated, but I think it gets the same meaning:
Further denazification of this mass of the population consists in re-education, which is achieved by ideological repression (suppression) of Nazi attitudes and strict censorship
If I am anticipating your line of thought correctly, this quote should clarify and disproves that this journalist wants to kill the Ukrainian population. That is a bald-faced lie. On top of that, this is an opinion piece in the news. State run or not, it is not an official position of the Russian government.
What am I looking for in here?
It’s world news, why does there need to be a point?
Just checking if there is any. ;-)
