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The question was about jobs.
What is the definition of a job? I guess if someone said musician, that would be a career instead? Is a self employed contractor a job or is every client a job? Does an actor have one job or many?
I considered a revenue stream to be a job but I’m not sure now.
I guess the definition of job is
vocation/occupation that generates your main financial incomeMain financial income
So if I have 3 positions of employment, only the part time gig that makes me 60% of my income is my job, but not the full time one, or the part time one that makes me a bit of money on the side?
Part time dog-walker.
Someone is bitter they can’t make a good salary being on YouTube 🤣
In America, every job. People make it their identity. It’s the first thing they ask or tell people they meet most of the time. They make themselves what they do.
I get both PoVs. For some, it’s just a clock in clock out type thing they do just to survive and maybe pay for their other passions. For others, they spent a majority of their lives training, learning, licensing, and practicing a skillset to perform their work. It’s fairly often a large part of one’s identity and it’s not a negative thing. Though it may be a negative thing to assume someone is only their job.
But I can hardly blame someone for seeing themselves first as a scientist, artist, lawyer, or whatever.
Is it really not like this elsewhere?
LoL no. It’s definitely an Anglo thing. I had a Spanish friend that I’ve played music with for years and I didn’t know what he did until last night. I wish we weren’t so focused on thinking that our way of life must be so perfect. Work sucks, sitting in traffic sucks, yet we spend almost all of our waking life doing just that.
You’ve known a guy for years and never bothered to ask what his day job is?
Yes our interests are outside of work. I also don’t ask where he vacations, what kind of bed he sleeps on, or where he fills up his car with gas, though I’m sure he spends some of his life doing those as well. His job is not his personality and neither is mine.
Yeah,… With people who aren’t coworkers we still fall into, “looking forward to the long weekend”, “crazy dude was at work today”, and work-related stuff like that.
Yeah but thats a southern europe thing you people lack any sort pride loyalty or work ethics thats why the civilised parts of europe has too bail you out all the time
I think every country has people with a personality-vacuum that they’ve filled with a job. But in my anecdotal, personal experience, Americans tend to do it far more often (they also work WAY more).
It’s less the core identity of people in the rest of the world.
“Americans live to work, Europeans work to live.”
You really think Americans start conversations in bars by saying, "hi, I’m a mechanic. What do you do?’ This Internet idea of what Americans do is ridiculous. Anyone who spends time (paid or unpaid) doing something they’re passionate about will talk about it.
Being a general manager at any retail outlet
Oh god 100%.
This isn’t a matter of life or death, Nicole. This is a Disney Store in a mid-tier mall.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
it’s actually a blue collar job where they do quite a bit of physical labor, at least the good ones. I have more respect for that then a lot of white collar jobs.
You probably shouldn’t decide how much to respect someone for what job they do. Unless they do like a really sketchy or immoral “job”, like a hitman or a scammer or something.
I think the only reason to respect someone is for what they do.
What better measure is there, even if job is only part of that? better to form my opinion of people for what they do rather than the traditional historical measures.
A persons actions are important, but so are personality and motivations. A job isn’t “what someone does because that’s who they are as a person”, it’s the thing that they do because they need to pay their bills. It’s one thing that you know for sure that they have ulterior motives for - money.
I respect people for how they act towards me and others. Are they generous, or selfish? Do they admit when they’re wrong, or do they double down on it? When they have power over others, are they cruel, or are they kind?
This is way more important than what job someone has. Often, what job someone has only gives you a guesstimate as to how wealthy their parents were, and little beyond that.
Disagree, I think that the way someone decides to spend their time says a lot about them. Sometimes you just need to work for money, I get that, but often times people just do whatever they fell into because they’re too lazy to chase their dreams or do something actually beneficial for society
Dogshit take tbh
Clearly touched a nerve
Yes, gaslighting idiocy tends to touch a nerve when people are trying to have a good faith discussion 🤷
I think I’m being pretty reasonable. If anything, I stated my opinion and I’m being attacked for it. I’m not trying to play victim, but all the feedback I’ve gotten from this comment is hostile
Because they need money to survive, and their parents can’t help them financially sp they cant get a degree in whatever field, even though every position in the field requires it?
Assistant General Managers are even more serious so the sales people pick on them all the time.
Assistant to the General Manager.
Don’t you mean assistants TO the general manager? 😉
CEOs and high ranking business people, what they get to do is not work or work significantly less than a working class people therefore I have no respect for most of em
The higher up you go the less work you do and the more stress you take on. You’re essentially trading your peace of mind for more money.
When you work a simple manual labor job you clock in and clock out and then go home and live your life. Work stays at the office.
When you’re an executive or a business owner you’re working 100% of the time. Something happens, you need to respond. Sometimes you need to make hard decisions where you’re fucked either way but you need to minimize damage.
You need to find solutions to problems and that keeps you up at night. Don’t have enough money for payroll next week? How you gonna do it? Not pay vendors this week? Take out another line of credit at ridiculous rates? Skip a payment on your rent? Equipment financing?
You have to do something- you stop paying your employees and the company falls apart very quickly. Could start a chain reaction of good people leaving, making the situation worse. The buck pretty much stops with you, you can’t pass off the problem to someone else.
It’s not easy to be in charge. Lot of blame rests on your shoulders if things go wrong.
Of course that doesn’t mean they deserve 10,000x the salary of a regular job. I think CEO pay should be capped to some multiple of regular employee pay. Whatever that scalar value should be 2, 5, or 10 I think is debatable. But it should be capped.
Moving from being a Product Owner, working on my own projects, to being a Product Manager who works with Product Owners on their projects/hands over projects to them, it is far more stressful. I end up being on the hook for everything, with an expectation that I know everything about a dozen projects, despite being far less actively involved in the underlying work of any of them.
Am an executive… agree with you on all fronts
You don’t simply clock in clock out. You walk into a space where everything you do is monitored and critiqued. You are constantly pressured to take on more work, other people’s work, you name it, all while you get paid the same… There’s a lot more flexibility and autonomy as you move up. The stress higher up is peanuts compared to the stress of the working class.
“Running a business is hard work, you wouldn’t believe the number of meetings-”
Oh yeah meetings where you and “experts” on maximizing profits talk about how many people you can get away with laying off this quarter and other meetings where you work out a deal to buy a competitor startup in order to immediately and intentionally run it into the fucking ground sounds really fucking essential to the world Allan
Small business owner here. Just to add to the other responses about the stress and responsibility as you move up that others mentioned here… I cover every one of my employees when they take vacation or sick leave. So I am often doing my job, plus another person’s. It’s not uncommon for me to work 12 hour days without breaks.
I am not reffering to small business owners, but big corporate executives
I don’t think OP was referring to small businesses (< 50 employees), but more like 1000+ employees.
I’ll cop some shit for this one, but coffee baristas.
you put some grounds in a machine, twiddle some nobs and pour milk in a wave pattern
edit: judging by the amount of downvotes ive either pissed off all the Bachelor of Arts grads working as baristas or all the coffee snobs who still think making coffee is some sort of art that can only be done by the most highly trained baristas. Yes, I also love coffee. No, making it is not some sort of complicated thing which is the point of this post (and topic of this thread), and no, I am not disparaging anyone working as a barista (unless they are an Arts grad, sorry) because a job is a job and all jobs deserve respect
It isn’t making the coffee that’s hard, it’s being on your feet for 8 solid hours while getting assaulted by a Karen every 30 minutes and playing the memory game of 3 pumps vanilla no foam cinnamon powder vinti super choco-latte. The coffee is just a minor part of the job.
Best coffee is anywhere but the US.
From Asia to Africa, all the shops I’ve visited had good espressos and coffee.
Customer service is also a joke here.
What exactly is your definition of “taking too seriously”?
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Work shouldn’t be the primary source of stress in our lives no matter what the job is.
Brb gonna go try to hack the NSA so I have something else to be stressed about
Park ranger. There are two kinds: chill and friendly, or the kind that make you show all your documents, prove your park stickers are valid, make you repark your car, and then scold you for being too loud even though the next nearest campsite is several hundred feet away and nobody has complained and you arent even being loud…
You’re that camper. Turn the music off.
Nope, no music or media. Just sitting around the campfire telling stories and laughing. Sorry, but 9pm is not late, especially when quiet hour isn’t even until 10 at that particular site.
I don’t care that you like to get up at 5:30am for your morning run, I’ll be totally quiet when the actual park rules say I have to be.
Hmm, doesn’t sound overly specific for an assessment of an entire profession at all. DEFINITELY not based on a single day’s experience 🤔
Rough trend.
Watch Joe Pickett :-) . Bad ass!
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Accounting and banking.
Meter maids (people who see if people didn’t pay to park)
Chef. No I’m not calling you a special title and acting like this is the military and you are my commanding officer, we work at the Olive Garden.
unpaid ones
All of them, I think.
