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TIL about the term “Parent”.
OP, 2023.
Sidenote: if you’re pretending shit for internet points, at least try for 10 seconds to put yourself in the shoes of the person you’re pretending to be…
labor theory of value but it’s for kids: how hard you worked during sex = the value of the child
are we not entitled to the sweat of our privates?
Self reporting here.
Yes, I traded an iPod for them
Rothbard moment
Yeah, I can’t even begin to address how much is wrong with that.
I know, right? Why would you willingly keep a child? Just put it away or put it down.
Or put it on eBay
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Carry ons should be put in the overhead bin or tuck under your seat.
If you carry your baby onto the plane, be kind to your fellow passengers and put it in the bin.
and not on kbin
Okay, I’m gonna bite the bullet and say it. This is disheartening. I’m not one to clutch pearls, but come on. Would you say this about anyone else? Dogs? Cats? Anything at all? Do you understand how fucked up it is? I just don’t get it. It was the same in Reddit, and it’s fucking same in here. Why do you hate children? You don’t wanna have them, that’s fine. Why would you say these things?
Maybe you’re joking. Even after assuming that you are, this is in poor taste and a fucked up thing to say.
Maybe you’re joking
Gee, you think?
Finish that line, buddy.
I’m not your buddy, pal, and I don’t appreciate the accusation.
I’m not your pal, guy
Yeah, I agree with you on that one.
U don’t hate children but what i hate is that one child with shitty parents will ruin the entire flight for everyone else.
Do shitty parents and upset children exist? Absolutely.
Yet everyone seems to ignore that maybe, just maybe, that child is being “shitty” despite having good parents.
Maybe the kid has a medical issue causing pain and discomfort and there’s not a damn thing the parent can do except get on that flight to see a specialist.
Maybe she’s fleeing domestic violence and needs to get to family to safe.
Maybe the mother has postpartum depression and unfortunately cannot properly care for her child so she’s seeking help elsewhere.
Fuck maybe the kid has an undiagnosed brain tumour that’s going to kill them. I know people that happened to.
If you go around assuming everyone else who inconveniences you in the slightest is a shit person, you will be a shit person.
So get over yourself. You might have a slightly less comfortable flight while that poor parent might be going through the worst time in their life.
Of course these things do exist but most of the time(at least in my experience) the problems are shitty parents.
For example I had 2 kids crawling under my seat for the whole flight(takeoff and landing included) and the parents just watched something on the phone.
See, here’s the neat thing about things. You get to choose what you do and don’t care about. Empathy should not go so far as to cost. Your baby is not my problem and it’s your responsibility to keep it that way. I have my own, I didn’t take them to public places till they were able to have some self control. Is that always possible? No, but it’s really obvious if you are the type of person who doesn’t even try.
Part of using public transport is that you need to share it with the public, which is why I broadly detest it and cannot comprehend the fuck cars weirdos.
That said when I do use public transport I fully expect noisy children, insufferable karens and the occasional nut job.
Your concept of empathy seems to be severely lacking.
I expect
noisy children, insufferable karens and the occasional nut job
but that doesn’t mean I have much empathy for them.
Being loud in public imposes a cost on the people around you. In our society parents with babies are generally allowed to impose such a cost, but so are raving lunatics…
Part of using public transport is that you need to share it with the public, which is why I broadly detest it and cannot comprehend the fuck cars weirdos.
Couldn’t agree more. The anti car movement among young millennials and Gen Z is weird as hell to me. I’ve lived in a large city and taken well designed public transit for years. Compared to living in a small city and driving, it’s awful - so I left. There’s a literal loss of freedom and autonomy that comes with it, and I can’t fathom why the younger crowd wants to live in crowded apartments and post angry screeds to r/fuckcars. I like walking and hiking and biking too! I have no desire to do it in a city, so I have to drive somewhere uncrowded to do it. If public transit served those places, they would be crowded.
If you live in NA, you haven’t lived in a walkable city designed for people over cars. You can find clearer explanations of the rationale from Strong Towns or NotJustBikes.
Your concerns are not unfounded, but they would benefit from some context.
Yet everyone seems to ignore that maybe, just maybe, that child is being “shitty” despite having good parents.
If you’re bringing an infant onto a plane, you’re a shitty parent.
Maybe she’s fleeing domestic violence and needs to get to family to safe.
You don’t need a plane for this
Maybe the kid has a medical issue causing pain and discomfort and there’s not a damn thing the parent can do except get on that flight to see a specialist.
You don’t need a plane for this
Maybe the mother has postpartum depression and unfortunately cannot properly care for her child so she’s seeking help elsewhere.
You don’t need a plane for this
I think you can figure out the pattern for the rest of your points.
As a parent of two boys, i feel that much of the annoyance of no-children-having people is due to parents not putting boundaries for children in place.
Children scream because of attention. It means they are not getting it.
Start walking around with the kid to calm it down. Its your job as a parent. You cannot stay seated and act like “what are you gonna do? They are children ! They scream!”
No. You are a bad parent for letting them just scream.
Having said that, babies sometimes just scream without reason. Perhaps, and I mean this, if you have a baby that is prone to doing this, do not travel in confined spaces, or dine at restaurants until that phase of screaming is over.
You can train dogs and cats to be quiet and sit still. Not all of them will be happy doing it for a long plane ride, but you can do it. Babies on the other hand? Babies don’t give a fuck.
Hungry?
Scream.
Tired?
Scream.
Happy?
Scream.
Mad?
Scream
You can do everything right and the baby will still scream.
See, I have this speculation that early humans were fucking dumb, had no object permanence, couldn’t keep track of their kids, and generally pretended they didn’t exist unless they were being annoying. So their babies had to fucking scream as loud as a firetruck for their parents to not lose them.
That’s the other thing too. The sound of a crying baby will drive anyone who doesn’t have antisocial personality disorder or has been driven deaf by the wonders of childcare completely insane. Why? Because while the sheer volume of a baby’s scream might not be as loud as a barking dog on an objective decibel scale, but when it comes to perceptual decibel levels, babies are loud. Our hearing sensitivity varies based on pitch. The higher the pitch, the more sensitive our ears are. On top of that, our brains are hardwired to have a reaction to a screaming baby, which can manifest itself as irritation, annoyance, frustration, and other negative emotions, because our primitive monkey brains are screeching, “WHY WON’T YOU TAKE CARE OF BABY!?” but we can’t do anything because it’s not our baby.
That’s why people like to make jokes about dead babies, infant abuse, etc. Because babies are annoying as hell and literally everything they do is designed to make sure we know they’re there at all times.
Edit: AND ONE MORE THING, have you ever wondered how a parent can love their baby when it’s quiet but hate it when it’s awake? Yeah, that’s almost certainly a result of primitive humans trying to take advantage of the fact that the annoying poop demon was finally quiet and wasn’t ear-fucking their monkey brain into guilt-tripping them anymore, so that they could ditch their babies when they were sleeping. So you can probably thank the negligent, sociopathic protohumans for babies being annoying as shit.
To be honest you can train your baby to be quiet, it just takes like 12 years
Considering some babies i know, it’s still failure after 50+ years…
I love this theory that early (and current) humans were so incompetently stupid that we evolved to fucking scream all the time just so they don’t walk away and forget us.
Considering how many kids get left in locked cars in the summer, as well as no other species of animal has annoying ass babies I have to canonize this as the Truth.
Consider this as well: if you’re a primitive human and you have to take your baby somewhere, you’re going to be praying to whatever deity(s) you believe are watching over you that your baby understands the severity of the situation and doesn’t start screaming in the middle of the jungle. 'cause if it does, every predator in a 5 mile radius is going to hear your baby screaming and dinner bells will start going off in their heads. Our only major survival traits are our near-infinite stamina (if properly trained) and ability to magically fuse or deform useless objects into something useful. Additionally, the usefulness of both of those traits diminishes with the size of the group as a single human with a spear is far less likely to survive a tiger attack than two humans with spears. To put it another way, your baby will actively alert predators that you’re burdened with its existence and that you could be free food so that you get removed from the gene pool if you’re stupid or unlucky enough to travel alone.
Babies evolved to cry all the time because their parents had this habit of making the species that just looked at the baby in a weird way go extinct.
Would you say this about anyone else? Dogs? Cats? Anything at all?
What an odd comparison, given that pets are crated and put in (a warm/pressurized part of) the cargo bay. Is that better then hiding under a seat or the overhead bin? It seems about the same to me.
No i wouldn’t think this about dogs and cats etc. As those are not annoying 24/7. Of course there are dogs and cats that are but the majority is well behaved… unlike Babies
Maybe you’re joking. Even after assuming that you are, this is in poor taste and a fucked up thing to say.
Good. Making Anthony Jeselnik proud.
How anybody flies without noise-canceling headphones these days is beyond me.
I just had a 9 hour flight where both bathrooms were plugged and aisles were completely covered in puke because this kid got so sick, and refused to throw up into a bag. Every time he got sick he ran from his mom and threw up somewhere else on the plane
Left flight with puke on my backpack and shoes. Whole back of the plane was vomiting throughout the flight due to the smell. Nobody could use the bathrooms for the last 3 hours of the flight. Even two of the stewardesses were crying by the end
My noise cancelling headphones were not effective
Should have gotten Bose.
I’m taller than average so it already sucks but last year I had three flights IN A ROW where I got placed behind somebody who was obsessed with leaning back in their seat. Like they’d lean back as much as the seat would let them which was already painful but then they’d try and push it more and more and jump back into the seat which was only hurting my knees more. One was 6 hours and I literally could not sleep 1 second because of the pain. three DIFFERENT people did this! Noise cancelling headphones did not help.
Lol I’d have paid good money to see that.
Yeah I know it barely even sounds like a true story, but it really happened
Vancouver to Frankfurt via condor, Aug 3.
Anyone here remember the scene from team America where he vomits endlessly? It was sort of like this. The kid probably lost 50 lbs that flight
In business class, no less. Like come in you rich dorks, you have no excuse to be prepared for this shit.
They’re good at cancelling out deep grumbling noises but purposely let through high tones so users can hear fire / safety alarms ringing. Unfortunately baby’s screaming is more similar to the latter and cuts right through to your ears
It still takes the edge off… I have two little sirens myself.
noise-cancelling headphones don’t help with crying babies unfortunately, just hums & buzzes like the engines, HVAC system, etc.
Overpriced. And then you need them for every member of the family :)
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Or just suck it up and be and adult instead of complaining about literal babies 24/7. Go back to r/childfree
I’m gonna be unapologetically that person one day. Get into a tube full of stinky humans and complain that babies exist in the world. People need to get over themselves.
Especially now that Noise Cancelling headphones are everywhere and work as good as they do. Since I’ve got my Sony headphones a crying infant becomes only a really minor inconvenience
While this reads like a Sony advert, I have to agree.
Children don’t only make noise. So noise canceling headphones only handle one possibility of the outcomes.
I don’t get the rage that some of these comments have from seeing this meme.
It doesn’t say that anyone actually did or said anything, just that their expression dropped after seeing an infant board a plane.
People are allowed to be disappointed. I mean, I don’t think that most parents actually love hearing screaming and/or crying either. Is a (probably) brief facial expression seriously the same as hating all children, or wishing for them to dissapear to some of you guys? Jeez Louise.
I mean, normally I wouldn’t give a hoot either way. Kids on the plane, no kids on the plane, whatever. If I had a migraine that day though, yeah, I wouldn’t be thrilled. I wouldn’t be upset at anyone for the noise in the slightest, but I also wouldn’t be joyful about it.
Are we certain that that’s the actual contect of the picture, or did someone just say it was? Is this the accurate, OG text on the picture? Did any one of those people actually say or do anything beyond a facial expression when seeing very small children board the plane?
Some of you guys need to take a deep breath and just relax. I’m referring to both extremes with this.
It’s because they themselves have kids lol
Hard disagree. Kill all the children!
Maybe it’s different in the USA, but I’ve travelled a lot and don’t think I ever remember a long haul flight without multiple babies and young children. It’s just a fact of travelling.
I recently did a 16hr flight solo and the other 3 seats in my row of 4 were parents and a toddler.
That’s just part of flying and you should plan for it (noise cancelling headphones, sleeping tablets, ear plugs).
How do you get the sleeping tablets in the babies without the parents noticing?
kids crying/screaming on public transport/etc rarely bothers me. impatient parents hissing at them to shut up and sit down does, however… i get it, they’re tired, being a parent is hard, but still.
a kid cries on the tram? i keep reading, barely even notice
a parent goes off on their kid? rips me right out of the book and makes me take notice
Yeah ok I’ll just fucking have my kids put down at the vet before I go on holiday! Get a fucking grip!
Don’t be overdramatic. You’re allowed to travel but you’ve gotta accept that no one’s happy to see you.
Well good, I accepted that long before I ever had kids!
Honestly? You should.
Thanks, Satan!
They should put soulless freaks like you down. Having empathy for literal babies is a basic requirement for a human being.
Right?
I just fly Delta cause parents can’t afford it 🤷 Problem solved.
Were you forced to have kids at gunpoint?
Logical solution to this is to wait until your kid grows up a little bit and stops crying for no fucking reason. You can still travel with your toddler if you really want to, but use your own car. I don’t get the reason to take a kid this young, to travel with you, since he’s not going to remember anything anyway
Yes I’ll just load my kids up into the car and drive across the fucking ocean to see my family.
That would solve a lot of problems… You should get on that.
It won’t kill you to not go to Norway for a couple of years
Because, as we all know, the only way of travelling across the ocean is by plane.
People have families lol
We all have families…
I live in Norway. It’s my constitutional right to have 5 weeks of paid holiday a year (excluding public holidays) whether or not I have children. Driving isn’t viable as it would take several days just to get to a ferry that leaves Norway. Crying children are a part of flying, get used to it.
Doesn’t mean you have to fly somewhere for a simple holiday.
Yes I could drive a day and go camping in northern Scandinavia and get eaten alive by mosquitoes the size of sparrow hawks.
Could you? Then we can find that child a better parent.
Children* they enjoy their holidays in Spain.
It’s a baby, baby don’t know, baby don’t care. YOU want time in Spain. Ffs
You can have holidays in the same country that you live you know… Since you have a small child, it would be best to take care of him, instead of flying around in planes
A couple of hours in a plane is less stressful for a toddler than several days in a car seat I assure you.
Probably yeah, but also less stressful would be to plan your exotic seaside resort vacation in two years, when the little spawn of satan is not prone to crying for reasons classified.
Are you forced to take a plane at gunpoint?
Logical solution to this is to use your own means of transportation in order to be sure to be alone. You can still take a plane if you really want to, but use your own plane. I don’t get the reason to take public means of transportation, since there will always be other people in them anyway.
Lol, allright let me just sit with my fucking toddler right next to you in a 6 hour flight. I coud’ve just waiter two years until he’s old enough to not cry at random shit to take him to Spain, but fuck ya’ll. I’m not locked in here with you, you’re locked in here with me and my toddler
90% of your profile’s comments are in this thread
Either you seriously hate children to a ridiculous degree- in which case you need to see a therapist because this shit ain’t healthy- or you’re a troll.
I’m going with troll.
Yes, because I disagree, I automatically hate children and I’m brain damaged. Very smart argument 👍. And I just started commenting, so of course all of my comments are going to be here, since I’m arguing with you all and your lame ass excusees
Oh right I’ll just take one of my many planes that I have just fucking lying around
don’t go on holiday if you have cum pets. You chose that when you couldn’t keep it in your pants.
You think you’re more deserving of a holiday just because you’re shooting blanks?
i stay quiet and read my book and don’t annoy the entire plane/train/bus.
You’re annoying the entirety of lemmy instead
I’m here on lemmy, and I think he right fine. Shit, I should buy him a beer. It’s the baby’s that annoy, aaaand their entitled parents.
Do you want a medal?
You are annoying the entire forum right now. You are outsourcing your shittiness online because you are deeply unwell and need an outlet
You do realize you don’t have to take a plane to go on vacation, right? It won’t kill you to not take a plane for a couple of years
cum pets
One kind of people makes humanity not go extinct in the near future.
humans are an overpopulated and invasive species, there are millions of human children waiting to be fostered
b-but muh genes
Genetics isn’t destiny, but a lot of important traits are highly heritable. Consider for example the heritability of IQ. I can see why someone who considers him or herself a good specimen would want children more like him or herself that like the sort of person whose children end up needing to be adopted.
Eh, I’m mortal anyway. I don’t benefit from other people’s annoying offspring being around after I’m gone.
And they don’t benefit from your presence now, or in the future, or at any point actually.
Yeah, that’s why I leave them alone and I want them to leave me alone.
This is one of those things I see people complain about everyone complaining. Like vegans or CrossFit people. I’ve met far more people complaining about complaints than actual incidents.
Most of us get it. It’s kids. I’ve seen obviously not emotional support animals brought in by asshats. Kids aren’t my concern.
I’m thankful that my kids fly well, and always have. We flew with them at ~15 months with no issues.
I’ve always heard the complaints about screaming infants and whatnot…but I’ve never seen it. Granted, I don’t fly too often (and less so more recently), but I’ve never had the “classic” kid crying through the entire flight. It just doesn’t happen as often as people think. I’m sure when it does happen that it’s pretty f’n annoying, though.
Kids these days (Yes, I said that unironically) can’t be assed to deal with any amount of discomfort. They’ve had a childhood of screens put in front of them so they don’t have to deal with boredom and other shit that just ruins a person’s ability to operate in society.
Grow the fuck up and deal with it.
FYI the younger ones are screaming because of pain from the inner ear air pressure changes that they don’t know how to prevent.
JFC are people really understanding my take as blaming the fucking babies? The whole “kids these days” was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the adults in the plane complaining about the babies.
nah, lad, people are most likely understanding exactly what ya meant and they’re downvoting because of that. also the ‘pseudo-childfree’ mention might also be bothersome to some, what with it suggesting said lifestyle might be just a phase and thus claiming to have the absolute truth and such things. pretty sure parents would downvote a childfree person for suggesting a pseudo-parent notion.
but I’m 2 ales and a barleywine in already, so YMMV
this thread is entertaining though, for what it’s worth. I just want to see the fuckcarspeople get involved here as well, 'cause it’s getting kind of repetitive
why isn’t there a fuckplanes community, I wonder? I mean they still use leaded fuel and are probably making us all stupider and more violent and stuff
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They’re just supposed to grow up and deal with that?
Literally yes. I’m sure the process might be different for each person, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask that people learn to deal with the world around them instead of expecting the world to bend to their complaints at every discomfort. It won’t.
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I am putting it on the adults complaining about crying kids on plains or whatever other little thing that gets under their skin.
Not long ago I heard someone on the radio get very angry over kids playing ball hockey on their own street and in the same breath will complain that kids don’t go outside enough so yes I 100% agree with you people expect the world to bend for them when it’s inconvenient for them they are less of an adult then these kids crying on a plane smh
I don’t think hours of noise canceling headphones are a realistic solution for everyone, like people with autism or sensitive ears.
What we should have is a “children’s section” in the back of the plane. If your party only contains adults, then you can only book in the adult section until it’s filled, and same with parties that have kids. Parents don’t want to disrupt everyone, but imagine this on a longer bus or train ride!
When I bring my whole family somewhere I almost always book the farthest back on the plane I can. There doesn’t have to be specific sections… just people with common courtesy.
but one thing I’m noticing as a common theme in these threads is that there’s an innate blame on the children/parents. Kids oftentimes CANNOT pop their ears due to how narrow their Eustachian tubes are. https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/flying-ears.html There can be cases where the baby’s ears actually tear if the Eustachian tubes are blocked due to a cold or something of that nature.
The better answer is to just educate them in a friendly manner. If you do it tactfully then maybe junior will simmer down and everyone can move on without this passive aggressiveness we see in the photo. Giving the kid a bottle (if they’re that young) is often all that needs to happen to work the tubes open a little bit to relieve the pain.
Now… if you’re a parent… and have a colicky little one… skip the plane if you can. You know your kid. If they’re not going to take to the plane well, then you’re just being a dick to everyone around you.
So in other words: putting a sick young child on a plane is a health and safety risk for the child
Anecdotally my spouse and I know this; our kids are just extremely energetic. We aren’t simply uneducated on how ears work, and getting unsolicited tips from childless people while already busy with our kids is just another stressor.
Call me a dick if you want, but sometimes flying noisily is the only practical option. No we’re not going to drive cross country to grandma’s funeral.
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Ok, then replace “funeral” with any family function you need to attend. Should your kids miss school on Friday and Monday to drive to and from a weekend wedding?
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I don’t think you’ll find many parents willing to make that sacrifice for courtesy.
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We aren’t simply uneducated on how ears work, and getting unsolicited tips from childless people while already busy with our kids is just another stressor.
Well… considering I have 2 kids. You can put your bullshit “tips from childless people” garbage argument away. The source of the information is irrelevant if the information is true regardless.
Regardless that doesn’t negate the overall “common courtesy” theme of my post.
I apologize if my reply came across as a personal attack against you personally. I thought you were suggesting that anyone reading your post (not just you) should go up to stressed out parents and explain how ears work.
While other parents do sometimes chime in with unsolicited tips during stressful situations, they seem to (usually) be more aware of whether or not their actual information is relevant, and not just a distraction.
I DROVE across Canada rather than dare take a plane with a possibility of screaming and kicking children. Sensory issues are a bitch.
Imagine being a childless person in a children’ section. No one should have this kind of pain for hours
Ok, I’m imagining I’m a person who doesn’t care and just needs to get on the next flight. I would have a choice that I don’t have right now.
I see your point, maybe the first company creates your idea should also have a red colored pop up with big puntos that says every time a seat is selected if that one is in a children’s section and leave the judgement to the person who pays for the flight.
Yep, during booking they should only show the back rows available if you’re traveling with children of certain age. It should be simple, I think.
I have a dysfunctional baby. We took an 8 month old on a plane to Japan because of a family tragedy and she freaking got excited when we hit turbulence and when we landed. Five other babies lost their shit but my kids all giggling.
Actually, she also lost her shit in a literal way, Jesus fucking Christ the amount of poop that came out after the pressure change or someone. Ain’t nobody talks about that but all babies shit their pants at landing— pretty sure.
Get her a dirt bike and a ramp. You may have a future stunt woman on your hands.
This ass taking weird selfies in his first class seat looks so entitled
not gonna lie that guy has an incredibly punchable face
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I’ve been in a 10+ hour flight with 6 young children sitting next to and in front of me recently and It’d only make me look like an immature piece of shit if I were to complain because I have childhood memories about those kind of adults and that’s all what I thought of them back then.
I remember the main complaint against me was trying to fall asleep on the floor during a flight to Japan.
I really feel like society has advanced to whre headphones or ear plugs are a thing you should be able to expect to provide for your self like sunscreen. Maybe you don’t need it or want it for every mission. However if you are on a mission where it would have benefitted you to have that’s on you for lacking.
Why not make an airline for people with kids and then they could deck the inside of the plane out to make it fun for kids complete with a flying tube sized playground, maybe a mini arcade, and definitely a ball pit. The pilots could even be those creepy ass animatronic creatures from Chuck-E-Cheese.
“Five hours at freddys plane” revealed.
They could also make every second row smaller child’s seats and put them closer together to fit more people and children in the plane. Bonus: the parents can use the top of the kiddie seats as a footrest.
This thread is goddamned train wreck. If you need to fly with young children, buy a big bag of those el cheapo foam ear plugs and pass them out to whomever wants some.
I don’t have kids, and I have sensory issues that make baby crying noises physically painful, but I get it. Sometimes you need to take your tiny human places, and I just have to deal. It’s a part of life.
It’s unreasonable to expect parents to buy you earplugs. If you know you have sensory issues, you need to pack earplugs just in case. That is your responsibility.
The packs of earplugs aren’t that expensive, and if you can’t get the kids to be reasonably well-behaved it’s your responsibility.
It’s not some random strangers job to take care of you.
Lol no.
Or a big bag to put the kids in and stuff em in the luggage compartment.
“People should abuse their children so that other passengers are more comfortable.”
That’s literally your suggestion
No, I’m saying children should count as luggage.
Ear plugs always fall out, don’t work properly and feel uncomfortable for me
I had that problem until I switched to smaller earplugs.
