• jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
    30·
    11 days ago

    There’s a lot of reports in this thread specifically around the “lazy doctors” and “it’s just stress” prescriptions.

    This is where reddit would lock the thread and go “too much trouble to moderate.” That’s never been my personal policy.

    But here’s the thing… “Lazy” may not be technically correct, but it’s been proven over and over again that if you are a woman or a minority or other marginalized group, medical professionals often are not listening to you.

    https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3797360/

    https://apnews.com/article/racism-healthcare-doctor-survey-disparity-ecdc9d2fe8a59352d9bb8f2e494f5255

  • Lodane@lemmy.world
    221·
    11 days ago

    i love the tough talk from all the edgelords saying “yeah wait until you take mine away then i’ll be a real problem for you” – lol they’ll just lobotomize you. y’all have no idea what healthcare was like before anti-depressants, huh? you don’t get a choice what happens to you after you act out ONCE in public. sure, talk your smack, it feels good… but, personally? i’m scared. my grandma used to get shocks, and that’s when we actually had asylums… now we don’t. pretty scary stuff, ngl. not enough room in jails for all of us… they’ll find other solutions.

    • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.eeEnglish
      8·
      11 days ago

      I grew up autistic and had adhd and an anxiety disorder when most people had no idea what those were. My autism wasn’t that bad… but the way how people treated it they acted like I was less than human.

    • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      010·
      11 days ago

      This is of course not real. Acting out in public once may get you punched or a disorderly conduct charge but it is unlikely to enable anyone to lock you up let alone star in a remake of one flew over the cukoos nest because a lot of law and case law has happened since.

  • the dopamine fiend@lemmy.world
    10·
    13 days ago

    Forced labor farms for those deemed mentally unfit for society. That’s his solution. Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck the fascist slavery fetish.

  • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    10·
    12 days ago

    Kennedy said he planned to dedicate money generated from a sales tax on cannabis products to “creating wellness farms—drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country.” He added, “I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need—three or four years if they need it—to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities.” The farm residents would grow their own organic food because, he suggested, many of their underlying problems could be “food-related.”

    Hol up. They’ve gotten rid of all the people who used to pick fruit in rural areas, and now they want to send arbitrarily diagnosed “addicts” to these rural areas to live for “free”.

    • nickiwest@lemmy.world
      6·
      12 days ago

      I didn’t see “free” mentioned anywhere.

      My guess is that these “wellness farms” will be just as costly to patients as traditional rehab programs, but at the same time the patients will be expected to do physical labor on the farms.

      They’ll literally be paying to work there. Isn’t that the ultimate end-stage capitalist dream?

    • Aconite@lemmy.caEnglish
      3·
      12 days ago

      It’s not a forced labour prison, it’s a camp, where addicts are concentrated together to work. What’s the problem? /s

    • m4xie@lemmy.ca
      2·
      12 days ago

      Move over re-education camps, it’s time for “re-parenting farms”.

          • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            5·
            12 days ago

            Anyone with a pulse finds this sinister as fuck because it’s obvious that no one would voluntarily participate in something like this.

            • Furbag@lemmy.world
              1·
              12 days ago

              I could see someone who is addicted to hard drugs finding success with a program like this, and the phrase “if they want to” implies that going to one of these is voluntary and not compulsory, but the real question is once they are there, can they check themselves out at any time if they feel like the program isn’t working for them? Or did the government just trap them in a taxpayer funded insane asylum for the rest of their lives because they now won’t give them any psychiatric medication to help treat the antisocial symptoms?

              Of all the RFK stuff I’ve heard about, this one seems like it would be his best idea and one that most liberals could get behind if it weren’t for his regressive views on psychiatric care. Getting people off drugs and back onto their feet should be a worthwhile societal goal. Getting people off of SSRIs and Adderall and other psych meds seems like it would be counterproductive.

              • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                2·
                12 days ago

                Sorry mate this is just bonkers.

                Do you really believe RFK has just solved drug abuse?

                Why not ask people who have been working in rehab centres for decades what is needed to mitigate this complex problem.

            • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
              12·
              12 days ago

              People voluntarily go to rehab centers all the time. Court-ordered rehab is often offered as an alternative or complement to jail time.

              • BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                12 days ago

                Voluntary rehab centers don’t rent you out to factory farms as manual laborers during harvest season.

                • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
                  02·
                  12 days ago

                  True. If you are being rented out then you are not volunteering. If there are daily quotas and guards supervisors then you are not volunteering.

                  But people do volunteer for rehab. It really depends where on the wellness retreat <—> concentration camp line these things fall.

          • Kalysta@lemm.ee
            5·
            11 days ago

            Why the fuck would you think this is at all voluntary? Why would someone who is doing fine on prozac volunteer to be a slave to “get off” it?

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          4·
          12 days ago

          Virtually every bullshit medical claim RFK Jr. makes can easily be verified to be bullshit.

          And he just outright lies all the time too. I heard a radio interview with him where he claimed he had hundreds of clients with golf ball-sized tumors behind their ears from using cell phones. You know how you see all those people walking around with golf ball-sized tumors behind their ears?

        • tree_frog@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          12 days ago

          It depends on how you define addiction.

          They create physical withdrawal. But they’re not habit-forming as they have no direct action on dopamine.

          So… as physically addictive as coffee and less psychologically addictive than television.

          Anyway, they’re easy to get off of if you switch to one with a long half life (prozac) and taper from there. Easier to give up than caffeine. Or TV.

        • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          11·
          12 days ago

          I am concerned. I like the idea of voluntary isolation to reduce access to their addiction while promoting the ability to function again in society.

          I know damn well that wouldn’t be how it’s used in practice, so I’m concerned with it.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            2·
            12 days ago

            Antidepressants are what give people the ability to function.

            That’s what you are calling a pretty good concept.

          • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            12 days ago

            They’re not just going to announce work camps for slaves are they.

            Even if we’re talking about illicit drugs, sending users to work camps is not a cure, it’s just taking advantage of them.

  • Makeitstop@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    13 days ago

    Creating an environment of corruption, chaos, hate and suffering. Hurting the majority of people economically, and ripping away hope for the future. Cutting programs that safeguard people, and specifically targeting their access to healthcare. And taking away the medications that help people deal with mental illness.

    Sounds like a recipe for causing people to become desperate and decide they have nothing to lose.

    • tym@lemmy.world
      3·
      12 days ago

      Ding ding ding! Make no mistake about it… the penultimate goal of the first six months of project 2025 is the suspension of habeus corpus and the deployment of US Military as civilian police. They need a riot to justify that last power grab. When you understand that fact, you can see the common thread in all of the random cruelty out of the gate. It’s not called project 2026.

    • BestBouclettes@jlai.lu
      0·
      13 days ago

      These people never learned why and how Caucescu got what he got. Can’t wait for them to learn first hand!

      • SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        13 days ago

        Putin’s nightmare about Gaddafi. Benito Mussolini displayed in the street. Ceaușescu’s last moment on video.

        Team Luigi needs more branding.

  • Jesus@lemmy.world
    7·
    13 days ago

    RFK is one of those assholes who was depressed, changed his diet and worked out, and that was enough. And he thinks that solution works for everyone. And now he has power.

    Fuck anyone that takes my SSRIs away from me. That would actually make me leave the country.

    • Doomsider@lemmy.world
      1·
      12 days ago

      The only thing that worked out for him was being rich. Everything else is just an excuse/wishful thinking at best and a lie to be used to manipulate others at worst.

      • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
        2·
        12 days ago

        This is a very valid point.

        Eating healthy, exercising regularly, time to relax and meditate etc. are luxuries not easily available to the poor. But a $1 pill is.

    • Seleni@lemmy.world
      0·
      13 days ago

      I hate to say it, but you probably can’t. People with diagnosed mental illnesses are often banned by other countries from immigrating.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        1·
        12 days ago

        When the options are “I don’t get the drugs that will stop me from killing myself” or “find a country that will give them to me,” I think there’s a pretty clear choice.

        • al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com
          0·
          12 days ago

          Are those the only two options? What if you did your ancestors proud and dumped tea in the harbor. I mean if you save your country you violate no law. Not a very creative problem solver, unusual for a squid.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            1·
            12 days ago

            Yes, if you will commit suicide if you don’t have the drugs you need, those are your only options if you want to stay alive.

            Are you one of those “smile more” people?

            Also, maybe don’t do your racist ancestors who tried to blame their protest on indigenous Americans proud? What with that being super fucking racist? You do know that’s what happened, right? They dressed up like indigenous people and then dumped the tea in the harbor.

      • Whateley@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        12 days ago

        this is your cross to bear

        The fuck it is. I didn’t vote for Trump and I sure as shit didn’t sign off on Elon Musk’s god damned meddling.

      • Jesus@lemmy.world
        0·
        13 days ago

        there is another solution

        What’s your solution to being suicidal even after trying all of the non-pharma solutions for decades?

        • al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com
          01·
          12 days ago

          Walk on water, water into wine, so obvious water into blood. We need to extract the brain worm with an industrial waterjet cutter! Blessed by a native natural shaman of course to ward off the scientist’s curse.

    • Guidy@lemmy.world
      14·
      12 days ago

      According to https://gunviolencearchive.org/ over 50% of every gun death in the USA each year is from suicide. More than half. Nobody gives a shit because while the numbers are staggering, they’re not kids in school or people in a theater, mall, or grocery store. They’re still dead though.

      Gun ranges won’t let you rent a gun unless you: 1) Have someone with you 2) Have another gun with you (and clearly you just want to rent their gun to try out a different gun) because they’re afraid (almost certainly through experience) that you’ll kill yourself.

      This nation not only doesn’t give a shit, it gives even less of a shit now as seen in this article.

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
    2·
    12 days ago

    According to the article RFK wants to find the “root causes” of a broad range of conditions, including autism, ADHD, asthma, obesity, multiple sclerosis, and psoriasis. Sure thing, while the his fellow fucking MAGAts shut down and destroy US medical research and increase deregulations pertaining to the food industry and pollution.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      1·
      12 days ago

      Don’t worry the root cause is going to be vaccines. No need for science when you already have the answer.

  • slingstone@lemmy.world
    2·
    12 days ago

    Suicide rates are going to spike if this idiot gets his way. I may well be one of the statistics before it’s over, if he takes away my access to medicine that has enabled me to live a somewhat normal life, not that it’ll matter to him or his ilk. The cruelty, as the kids like to say, is the point, I guess.

    • flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      2·
      12 days ago

      Please remember, when the meds are gone and life is still going on, when they’re threatening to put us in camps, remember… once you’re in a camp with other like-minded people who have been wronged, what ‘fun’ we can have together. That’s what will keep me going.

  • jagged_circle@feddit.nlEnglish
    2·
    12 days ago

    I have never felt more depressed then now. He’s causing depression and taking away meds for it. Fuck this feedback loop

  • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    1·
    13 days ago

    I hope to god everyone on antidepressants isn’t about to go through what people with ADHD have been going through for medication access. Ridiculous hoops to jump through, short term prescriptions, doctors treating you like a criminal, and medication shortages have made life miserable for so many people.

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world
      0·
      13 days ago

      You mean it’s like this in the USA? I’ll admit I thought it’s some heaven for ADHD people over the ocean with everyone getting amphetamines

      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        0·
        12 days ago

        Your GP is supposed to be able to write a script for Adderall, but mine refused until I went through their hospitals mental health service to “confirm” the diagnosis I got from a famous medical facility (UCSF), which was a 3 month minimum wait to talk to the person who could then write the recommendation to see the person who can diagnose me and give me a 1 week script (another 2 month wait after the first appointment, so 5 total now), then my GP could write me my full-month amount

        Oh, I’d been taking them on my old diagnosis for a fucking year and a half by that point, so it’s not like I was some recent diagnosis who was trying to doctor shop, I had a record of this shit

        Oh, and trying to regularly pick my meds up from 2 different locations of the same chain pharmacy caused issues, even though it was because I travelled for work and could easily produce documents and statements from my company CEO to back me up

        every pharmacy within 75 miles of my house responded to me trying to figure out of they could take me on as a new patient with active hostility, 4 hung up on me without an answer, and one said “no, fuck off you junkie”

        I… I can go on, sadly, those are just my personal ones

        • rottingleaf@lemmy.world
          1·
          12 days ago

          O-OK, just so you knew, here in Russia ADHD is famous among clueless normies for being “that fake diagnosis invented by murrikan big pharma to put everyone on amphetamines”, and a lot of those clueless normies happen to be doctors. And that’s how it looks from the outside, I’ve never tried to get a diagnosis for ADHD. So - at least you can get real medicine. In theory.

  • CapriciousDay@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    12 days ago

    This from the same people who told you to inject disinfectant and are actively distancing themselves from international medical consensus.