• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    I’m seeing far too many variations of national strike/don’t buy anything/everyone local protest memes that are scattered throughout February. I can hear someone argue that they might want a month filled with protest, and that’s fine, but if you’re looking at this from the outside all you see is disorganized shifting dates and objectives. Shit needs to get organized. It’s head-shakingly liberal; everyone has their own agenda, all are legit and should be heard, but they all can’t pull together to succeed with the overwhelming show of force to be effective.

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      11 days ago

      If this thread is like the others, there are no demands but a strong intention to express general discontent.

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          11 days ago

          Don’t worry. The protest won’t matter at all and a large majority won’t even hear about it. Gives layabouts an excuse to layabout some more.

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            11 days ago

            Don’t worry. The protest won’t matter at all and a large majority won’t even hear about it.

            But that’s precisely what worries me, people spending effort that goes to waste instead of organizing something that effects a change

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          11 days ago

          Yeah that’s a really good point.

          The general consensus seems to be that doing something is better than doing nothing.

          I really disagree though. After a few failed attempts people will lose heart and get in line.

          There seems to be half a dozen different protests now too, all on different days with no cohesive objectives

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            11 days ago

            with no cohesive objectives

            That’s a pro. As soon as there’s a clear motif or leader, it’s very easy to undermine that single point of weakness. A general rabble sends the clear vibe of “we are not impressed, and might burn things” with the air of uncertainty to keep the powers that be on their toes.

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              Well I guess you can’t undermine a protest that isn’t protesting anything but that still doesn’t explain what the point of this non-protest protest is? How would a bunch of people not buying stuff for a day keep “the powers that be” (who? the capitalists? Their politicians? The police?) on their toes?

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    12 days ago

    Until people start taking protest seriously nothing will change. A single day for a few hours event will do nothing to sway them. It needs to be a prolonged event that hurts them

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      12 days ago

      What you’re asking is for single moms not to work and have enough money to feed kids and pay rent. You’re asking people to miss rent payments and be homeless. Some people can’t afford to do this, full stop.

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        Well then I suppose we better just call the whole thing off since single mothers can’t participate. That’s just an excuse to try and justify actions that accomplish nothing. If people used those same protest techniques 100 years ago, we would still be fighting for things like 40-hour, work week, paid holiday, sick time, etc. We would still be fighting civil rights movements from the '60s.

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          12 days ago

          With that mindset, since we can’t do anything for weeks on end, better call the whole thing off, since it can’t be done for weeks. I can say you thinking that doing it for one day is pointless is just an excuse for you to do nothing as well. You’re being extremely hypocritical.

          Are you out there putting your life on the line, risking your home and children’s safety? Or are you waiting and making excuses? Yeah, I think we both know the answer. You want others to risk everything but I’m guessing you’ve not risked anything. But I could be wrong, please tell me what you’ve done to effect this change you want so badly? What have you put on the line?

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            I’m out there every single weekend, either helping feed the homeless, providing mutual aid, or some type of community building. I know how this shit works, and what doesn’t work. I’m probably doing more than any of the other shitlibs attending these things. IF they cared they would have been demonstrating during the blue fascists terms too, but all they know is performative politics.

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              Only the weekends huh? So only one or two days at a time? I heard one guy say that until people start taking protest seriously nothing will change. A single day or two will do nothing to sway them. It needs to be a prolonged event that hurts them. Wait, wasn’t that you? The guy not practicing what he preaches? Looks like I nailed it.

              And yes, let’s cap it all off by saying how you’re better than everyone else, and everyone else is just performative. Jesus, I’ve never seen someone hurt a cause they support so handedly through hypocrisy and ego. Impressive.

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                Trying to conflate community aid with protest? One helps the community, the other fights the reasons community aid is necessary. Leave these issues to the actual people that know what they are doing, and stay the fuck out of our way.

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                  That’s a lot of words to deflect from the fact that you’re not willing to do what you’re asking others to do. Sit back down, no one needs you telling the world how great you are while you demand from others what you won’t do yourself. When was the last time you protested for days, putting something on the line, like you’re judging others for not doing? Or have you been too busy patting yourself on the back about how you do more than any other lib.

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        11 days ago

        You can’t afford to not do this. Change requires sacrifice. You can’t keep following their rules and expect anything to change.

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          That’s easy to say. But when a mother won’t be able to feed her kids or pay rent it becomes less black and white. I’d ask the people who keep saying this requires sacrifice, what have you sacrificed that is on that level? Because you should be ready to do the same.

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            You do realize there are starving and homeless people right now, right? I don’t know why you have to use mother’s and children as some kind of shield. There are starving and homeless people right now without protests.

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              Yeah and? You’re asking someone to make the choice to not provide for their family. One person starving doesn’t make others starving any less meaningful. Seriously? This would create more homeless people. So if a new law was passed that made you homeless or wouldn’t matter, I mean there were homeless people already. Or if a whole town gets destroyed by a natural disaster, who cares, there were already people with nothing. The lack of empathy or just human decency is insane here.

              I’m not using them as a shield. That’s your problem, you’re not willing to try to understand the point, you see it as a fight you have to win. I’m explaining a situation and why I’m certain situations people are going to be human and try to do what it takes to eat and take care of their children. Asking them to not do that is a very large, and some might say heartless ask. Are you willing to risking being homeless or unable to eat to protest? If not, you’re asking someone to suffer immensely while you sit back comfortably.

              A lot of people ITT seem to have no problem demanding that people put their livelihoods on the line and risk everything they have, but I don’t see one person demanding that actually doing anything close to that themselves.