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No, you can vote, militate, talk to your friends/family, engage yourself in more sustainable behaviours so that sustainable alternatives are become profitable. Engaging in sustainable behaviours will also help you convince the people around you that it is possible to improve our current situation.
What? are we using the same definition of sustainable? Or do you unironically believe that our current consumption model is sustainable if we use ‘green technologies’ to fuel it?
do you unironically believe that our current consumption model is sustainable if we use ‘green technologies’ to fuel it?
No I don’t. A lot “green tech” is bullshit, but that doesn’t mean the system can’t change, and that there are no parts of it are more sustainable than others. As I said, changing how you behave is much less important than changing the system, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. You can consume less, buy less, more durable and reparable things, and cutting out shit you don’t need.
Rejecting any form of progress is not the way we’re going to get there.
Also blaming “the system” without offering any proven alternative doesn’t make anything better.
The system is the root cause of the climate crisis.
We are not going to solve the crisis by clinging to a system that breeds consumerism, generates shit load of waste and fantasizes infinite growth.
As I said, changing how you behave is much less important than changing the system, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it
I don’t disagree, but you’re missing the point.our behavior is less important becuause it’s tied to the behavior of the system, truly sustainable solutions doesn’t exist under the current system. it’s in the interest of the system to make everything unsustainable, we don’t have any meaningful power to make a choice in our behavior that will hurt the system.whatever illusion of choice you have is a privilege that many of us don’t have.
This video will articulate this point better than me, it’s focused on veganism but you can translate the core concepts to generally any consumer based activism.
While I agree with the sentiment of the video, it’s not like she actually presents a better system at all.
Everything she describes is present in every system in the world, except for a few pockets that live by more ancient traditions and would not scale to 7 billions. It’s just that humans are imperfect, self-centered and that any society with this many of us is going to have some ugly parts. Communist (or socialist) countries don’t actually reduce their emissions faster than some capitalists ones. They pollute less for the simple reason that they’re poorer.
I also disagree with the argument of growth. Yeah the world is finite but we are very far from actually using even a tiny fraction of all the available resources. We can have growth for a while (better knowledge, comfort, healthcare) before we actually use up the resources of the earth.
We do need to improve the system, but it’s not going to happen overnight and suddenly become some for of utopia. It’s going to be progressive and there are going to be some steps back. If you want it to happen faster, you need to show people that better options are out there. Complaining about “the system” while doing nothing doesn’t help.
You’re denying that any progress is impossible. That’s simply not true.
humans are imperfect, self-centered and that any society with this many of us is going to have some ugly parts.
Capitalist realism is one hell of a drug🤣
They pollute less for the simple reason that they’re poorer.
They pollute less for the simple reason that their economic model isn’t based on infinite growth.
They pollute less because their superior economic model generates less waste.
They pollute less because they will work for the betterment of the planet even if there is no profits to be earned from it
I also disagree with the argument of growth. Yeah the world is finite but we are very far from actually using even a tiny fraction of all the available resources. We can have growth for a while (better knowledge, comfort, healthcare) before we actually use up the resources of the earth.
😂 sure we should squeeze out everything out of nature, climate change will wait, do you even understand the scale of the crisis we are in? do you seriously think we can just keep exploiting the resources and don’t face it’s consequences?
but it’s not going to happen overnight and suddenly become some for of utopia. It’s going to be progressive and there are going to be some steps back.
When did I say any of this? I thought it was pretty clear that I’m not advocating for Utopian socialism.
If you want it to happen faster, you need to show people that better options are out there. Complaining about “the system” while doing nothing doesn’t help.
Doing Nothing? There must be a misunderstanding. or do you seriously think that not participating in a bourgeois election equates to nothing?
You’re denying that any progress is impossible. That’s simply not true.
The only meaningful progress is the progress from capitalism to socialism.
Simply eating significantly less meat is much more effective at reducing GHG emissions, while improving your health, being cheaper, and available today in many regions of the world.
You don’t really need to convince anyone. Stop subsidising the meat industry, while keeping (or even increasing) subsidies for other food products, and the real price of meat will convince people to consume less of it.
So the only thing we can do is vote? What a joke 😂
No, you can vote, militate, talk to your friends/family, engage yourself in more sustainable behaviours so that sustainable alternatives
arebecome profitable. Engaging in sustainable behaviours will also help you convince the people around you that it is possible to improve our current situation.sustainable is the opposite of profitable.
That’s not always true. Fairphone is able to run with a profit. There are many companies making money with solar panels, wind/hydro turbines etc…
yikes, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism
What? are we using the same definition of sustainable? Or do you unironically believe that our current consumption model is sustainable if we use ‘green technologies’ to fuel it?
No I don’t. A lot “green tech” is bullshit, but that doesn’t mean the system can’t change, and that there are no parts of it are more sustainable than others. As I said, changing how you behave is much less important than changing the system, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. You can consume less, buy less, more durable and reparable things, and cutting out shit you don’t need.
Rejecting any form of progress is not the way we’re going to get there.
Also blaming “the system” without offering any proven alternative doesn’t make anything better.
OK let me try to make this clear:
The system is the root cause of the climate crisis.
We are not going to solve the crisis by clinging to a system that breeds consumerism, generates shit load of waste and fantasizes infinite growth.
I don’t disagree, but you’re missing the point.our behavior is less important becuause it’s tied to the behavior of the system, truly sustainable solutions doesn’t exist under the current system. it’s in the interest of the system to make everything unsustainable, we don’t have any meaningful power to make a choice in our behavior that will hurt the system.whatever illusion of choice you have is a privilege that many of us don’t have.
This video will articulate this point better than me, it’s focused on veganism but you can translate the core concepts to generally any consumer based activism.
While I agree with the sentiment of the video, it’s not like she actually presents a better system at all.
Everything she describes is present in every system in the world, except for a few pockets that live by more ancient traditions and would not scale to 7 billions. It’s just that humans are imperfect, self-centered and that any society with this many of us is going to have some ugly parts. Communist (or socialist) countries don’t actually reduce their emissions faster than some capitalists ones. They pollute less for the simple reason that they’re poorer.
I also disagree with the argument of growth. Yeah the world is finite but we are very far from actually using even a tiny fraction of all the available resources. We can have growth for a while (better knowledge, comfort, healthcare) before we actually use up the resources of the earth.
We do need to improve the system, but it’s not going to happen overnight and suddenly become some for of utopia. It’s going to be progressive and there are going to be some steps back. If you want it to happen faster, you need to show people that better options are out there. Complaining about “the system” while doing nothing doesn’t help.
You’re denying that any progress is impossible. That’s simply not true.
Capitalist realism is one hell of a drug🤣
They pollute less for the simple reason that their economic model isn’t based on infinite growth.
They pollute less because their superior economic model generates less waste.
They pollute less because they will work for the betterment of the planet even if there is no profits to be earned from it
😂 sure we should squeeze out everything out of nature, climate change will wait, do you even understand the scale of the crisis we are in? do you seriously think we can just keep exploiting the resources and don’t face it’s consequences?
When did I say any of this? I thought it was pretty clear that I’m not advocating for Utopian socialism.
Doing Nothing? There must be a misunderstanding. or do you seriously think that not participating in a bourgeois election equates to nothing?
The only meaningful progress is the progress from capitalism to socialism.
I don’t know if geen tech will but I’m excited by the following.
And some not so scifi stuff as well, such as building more trains, better cycling infurstucture and urban farming!
Simply eating significantly less meat is much more effective at reducing GHG emissions, while improving your health, being cheaper, and available today in many regions of the world.
Thats true, but i doubt you are going to convenice many meateaters to give up eating meat. Especially ones from traditional cultures.
You don’t really need to convince anyone. Stop subsidising the meat industry, while keeping (or even increasing) subsidies for other food products, and the real price of meat will convince people to consume less of it.