After one Trump presidency and on the eve of another, it is now clear that a once mighty global superpower is allowing its gaze to turn inward, to feed off resentment more than idealism, to think smaller.
Public sentiment – not just the political class – feels threatened by the flow of migrants once regarded as the country’s lifeblood. Global trade, once an article of faith for free marketeers and architects of the postwar Pax Americana, is now a cancer eating away at US prosperity – its own foreign invasion.
Military alliances and foreign policy no longer command the cross-party consensus of the cold war era, when politics could be relied upon to “stop at the water’s edge”, in the famous formulation of the Truman-era senator Arthur Vandenberg.
Now the politics don’t stop at all, for any reason. And alliances are for chumps.
Yes. When you elect a convicted criminal fascist with no guard rails or restraints, this will be the end of the United States as we know it.
Fascism has come.
Not fair. You didn’t mention that he’s a rapist, racist and Jeffrey Epstein’s closest friend.
Possibly a pedophile as well
Yes. One of the parties has embraced dictatorship. Democracy cannot continue in that environment.
Don’t forget, their cultists will vote for anything they say.
Everyone reading this right now should recognize that America will be on a steady decline for the rest of our lives.
There’s no point in waiting for it to improve. There’s no point in waiting for it to fall.
Just accept that it is a trend that will not end while we are still living. Don’t waste your life waiting for the day that never comes.
Could have settled into a northern Europe socialist type country. Good social safety net, good labor laws. Instead the country is going the way of petty, central American, dictatorships.
That would be nice.
Americans have proven that they don’t want anything that reduces the disparity in wealth, though.
That’s why democrats nominated Hillary Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders in 2016, resulting in a Trump presidency. I also think that if Trump didn’t win in 2016, he wouldn’t have had a better chance in 2020 or 2024. So I actually blame 2 Trump presidencies on the people who voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Democrat Primary.
What this person is asking you to do is roll over and accept defeat. To embrace the fall into Fascism without a fight.
Don’t listen to people like this. America declines because we let it decline. Fight like hell for a better world, please.
That’s not at all what I’m suggesting and this isn’t specific to fascism.
Greed and unchecked entitlement is what made America what it is today. As long as people can’t see past their own wealth, these problems will continue to perpetuate. This generation is proud to take advantage of others and envies those who get rich off of exploitation.
Framing it as a culture war instead of a class war helps contribute to the steady decline of America.
Edit: The fact that you immediately jumped to ‘fascism’ instead of ‘greed’ or the growing disparity in wealth further proves my point that these problems will not be solved in our lifetime. We’re not even looking in the right direction at this point.
There’s no point. We lost.
When the boot is placed on your neck you have two options: smile and start licking, or punch that fucker in the balls as hard as you can.
I still think a bloody class war would go a long way.
More than half your class is too busy licking their boots to unite against them. They’re grateful for the scraps they’re being given, while worshipping their masters.
I completely agree. That’s why Fox News exists. It was meant to create the bootlickers, and create the division.
There’s a lot more than Fox out there echoing the narrative that times are hard, inflation is killing you, and there aren’t enough homes to go around. Wapo and NYT would happily recount Trump’s claims that it’s because immigrants are taking all the houses and jobs while Biden policies are making everything expensive. Doesn’t matter if they follow up with long-winded explanations that his claims aren’t true, because most people stop listening when they hear there’s someone to blame.
You make excellent points. The divide in this country was well researched, and well planned. The fears, and insecurities of the conservative base have been coddled, and amplified to great effect.
You see and hear it all the time, the “news” repeats the lie and says something like “and while there’s some truth to that, what’s more impactful…”
So they sort of disputed it but not really and they got to repeat the lie.
Trump was right about one thing, the media are not our friend. They’ve profited from him at every step, propped him up, coddled him, both sides of the media are complicit. When the pogroms start, I hope the talking head media elite are on the lists.
I think the boot lickers will change their minds when it starts to affect them.
Yes.
Right wing propaganda networks pumping out fear of immigrants 24/7 was all too successful. We need to find ways to combat this and the type of drivel this article purveys. We have to find ways of coming together instead of letting these populist movements divide and conquer.
There are worse ways to spend your life than chasing the American dream. But once you’ve found it, like I did in Vegas, what’s called the old Psychiatrist’s Club, then it is kind of puzzling. You feel kind of naked and alone out there, because once you’ve found the dream, it is generally just a slab of burned-out concrete in Las Vegas called the old Psychiatrist’s Club, then it’s kind of hard to go on from there on the same.
- Hunter S. Thompson, November 1, 1977, Lecture at the University of Colorado (Boulder)
The american dream hasn’t been a reality for decades
Yes.
Yes it is.
It was an obvious lie decades ago. Nothing has changed
Oh yes it’s changed alright, the lie has become bigger.
Consider the TV show married with children, a shoe salesman is married and has 2 children a house and a car, on a single lower end income.
And it wasn’t completely unrealistic back in the late 80’s to mid 90’s.Here’s a very brief explanation of what happened.
In 1960 minimum wage was $1.00/hour and the price of the average US home was $11,000.00 A popular tour guide was called “Europe on $5.00 A Day” [over the years they did specific cities like Paris or Rome or London…]
In 1964 LBJ decides that he can win the War in Vietnam with a massive buildup and increased bombings. He prints paper money to pay for it, because he doesn’t want to raise taxes. The plan is a miserable failure and protests force LBJ to step aside. In 1968 we elect ‘peace candidate’ Nixon [who sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks]
Nixon kept LBJ’s plan and increased spending. He knew the War was unwinnable but thought he could kick the problem down the road and let the 1976 President deal with ‘losing’ the war.
By 1976 inflation was a major problem, not helped by the Arab Oil Boycott that tripled the price of gas overnight. All those cool loft buildings you see in places like Manhattan used to be small factories making things like purses, clothing, toys etc etc. The owners moved the businesses to the US south where there were fewer Unions.
Jimmy Carter hired a man named Paul Volker to deal with inflation. Carter got voted out before the Volker plan could kick in, so Reagan got the credit for Carter’s ideas.
Reagan’s own Veep, George HW Bush called the Reaganomics trickle down “voo doo economics” until Reagan offered him the #2 spot on his ticket.
In 1968, when Nixon started waging War with paper money, “middle class” was one Union job paying for a family of four with a nice savings account. In those days, $1 million was still considered a vast fortune. By 1992, when Bush Sr. was finished, middle class was two incomes to run the house and $1 million was what a rich guy paid for a party.
That almost sounds like you are blaming LBJ. Nixon was the one who caused the 1970 economic disaster that led to everything after. He ended the gold Standard and gave unfettered power to banks. Inflation was the goal as inflation directly benefitted real estate. The owner class became obscenely rich quickly, and it never stopped.
LBJ thought he could win Vietnam with a single bold stroke. Nixon knew the War was unwinnable, but once the US forces were bogged down he kept redoubling down. LBJ made a terrible mistake, but it was Nixon who really screwed things up.
And you’re leaving out so much (just like I will)… While all of this is going on, Nixon jumps in bed with Kaiser Permanente to convert all health-care into a for-profit enterprise. All of the unions are demonized and bastardized. Now you have the majority of the people in the US vulnerable and afraid where they can be completely controlled. Simultaneously, you blame everything that is happening on public education so that you have generation after generation of stupid people who are even easier to scare and manipulate and who will no longer believe the actual truth-tellers.
Like I said, very brief…
“late 80s to mid 90s”
Calm down cowboy! Grunge music didn’t come from nowhere, the X generation started to feel the pain in the 80s with high unemployment, McJobs and crazy interest rates! Things didn’t look good for them either!
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Or is it just the beginning?
We deserve it. We voted for it.
Fuck no we didn’t. The problem is a huge chunk of people who normally pretend to care took the fucking day off.
That’s no excuse. The results are still the same. They still voted for it by abstaining. It’s better to rip that bandaid off now and come to terms with it.
Who said it’s an excuse? I’m defending the people who voted. Which btw, I’d suspect describes the vast majority of Americans on this platform
Coming to terms with this is exactly what I’m trying to do, whether this comment illustrates that or not. Yes, we are absolutely fucked beyond belief. But it’s not the fault of the many millions who voted against this shit. We are the victims here. The idiotic apathetic assholes who refused to vote are mostly to blame, but also the Democratic party is going to have to completely reform, which they probably won’t. I don’t know what we’re going to do but we have to figure it out.
Always has been. It’s just that the thin veneer that was always on top has now has come off.
No. There really was a time when FDR’s New Deal raised millions out of poverty and gave them a taste of the good life.
Its Roosevelt’s fault. His policies soothed working class desperation and anger and prevented the bloody class war that we should have had.
Every time I hear someone online talk about wanting a war, I ask them how many bullets they have personally caught.
Before WW1 many folks thought that a war might be a good thing, because it would help things settle down.
i hope so. we need it to collapse asap so the rest of the third world can thrive
Sudden collapse of the world’s largest economy will severely fuck up third world countries.
it wont be sudden. we are preparing for tge eventuality already. the writing is on the wall.
it wont be sudden, and we are ready for the eventuality
That’s unrealistic. You think the fall of America is going to be a simple affair? Here’s just one reason it won’t. All those aircraft carriers and submarines full of nuclear weapons. What happens with those?
Be careful what you wish for.
All those aircraft carriers and submarines full of nuclear weapons.
they stop being used against us.
this threat is empty because you already use all of these against us.
What happens with those?
What happens when the crews stop getting paid? You think they are just going to walk away? You think those weapons will just disappear?
What makes you think the next boss is going to be any better?
they can be taken care of by the rest of the world once the terror infrastructure stops being maintained
I’m sorry, but that’s an absolute fantasy.
When have you seen anything like that level of international co-operation?
And have you stopped to think that there are a lot of rich and powerful people with a strong vested interest in keeping things going the way they are.
yes. and these powerful people are mostly located in the us.
collapse away, please.
Mostly.
Think the world would be all sunshine and friendship if the Saudi princes had the US arsenal? Putin? The people at the top didn’t get there because they played nice and shared their toys.
Be careful what you wish for.
Fascism loves a power vacuum.
I have no idea why someone down voted something that obvious.
Don’t worry about it. That’s a dozen reasons someone might downvote a perfectly good comment, and none of them are worth thinking about.
How did one so young gain such wisdom?
No dumbass, they don’t just go away.
we can clean it up once the boots are off our throats, thanks for your concern.
Who is “us” here?
That’s unrealistic. You think the fall of America is going to be a simple affair?
You think
think
You are asking a lemmy.ml user…
How would that in any way help developing countries?
Not saying I agree that the fall of the US would help others, but we sure have fucked up a lot of countries over the years and it would be great if we stopped doing so. We’ve illegally prioritized the capitalist agenda at the expense of international progress time and time and time again. Imagine what South America might be like without US interference in their governments.
I agree the fall of the US would definitely hurt basically every other economy in the world, in the short term at least.
The rest of your statement lays out a really good reason why a lot of people would cheer though. The U.S. has absolutely brutalized South America with its constant meddling (almost always at the behest of private industry) and is responsible for most the pain there. I can’t really say I’d blame them.
we wont get forced to use your financial system, and we wont be under constant influence to liberalize and sell assets to the us. under threat of invasion and destruction.
did you ever notice every single country not subjugated by the us is considered a “brutal dictatorship” that must be invaded and killed?
No I didn’t, because it isn’t true.
Many of those countries use the USD as their primary or only currency. Though if the collapse is more gradual I suspect they’ll be using the RMB like the rest of us before it’s all said and done.
Yet another case of accurate tagging. Accelerationist trash.
the only thing id like to accelerate is popular revolt
us collapse != world collapse.
An ignorant and heartless position that I accurately sussed out
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toughts and prayers to you
Tankies gonna tank
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