• Dragon "Rider"(drag)@lemmy.nz
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    15 hours ago

    Don’t support genocide, it’s as simple as that!

    By the way: Voting isn’t actually support. The American system is not set up in a way where votes actually add to the power of the Presidential office. On the other hand, making a deliberate choice not to act does mean supporting whatever happens without your action, which could be genocide. This means YOU HAVE TO VOTE HARRIS IN ORDER TO NOT SUPPORT GENOCIDE. The socialism angels are hypocrites.

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      14 hours ago

      there are two facts about this election

      1. there are only two outcomes—0.0% chance for a third party win
      2. both candidates have a bad stance on the genocide

      so neither outcome will help with the genocide. acting like voting third party helps in any way shape or form is disingenuous at best. so what should you do?

      my argument is that you should vote for the person you can hope to convince on this issue. phone calls, protests, social media, whatever means you have… which of these candidates is more likely to respond to any kind of public pressure about this?

      Harris might be responsive, and let’s be honest, she might not be. but you know for a fact that it’s definitely not the fucking orange turd. Natenyahu wants him to win. how can you ignore that?

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        12 hours ago

        which of these candidates is more likely to respond to any kind of public pressure about this?

        neither. 0.0% chance for either candidate.

        i only voted for kamala because she’s a woman and even though she’s an awful candidate at least we can get it out of our collective system, show little girls they can be president, and the neoliberal status quo is probably still better than Trump

        i’m not entirely sure on that because I think Kamala is more likely to lead us into a war with Russia… but Trump is more volatile in general I think

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          5 hours ago

          Amazing that you at least did the overwhelming obvious right thing even though your reasons are awful

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            i think breaking the barrier of sex in terms of male/female president is a powerful thing. there’s been so many women throughout history that could have been judith pulgars, politically speaking, and ended up getting pushed into more subservient positions

            that’s the main reason. i dont think that’s an awful reason

            as for the russian war thing, i rather like living in a pre-nuclear-war society.

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              It just implies that looking at the candidates the biggest and most important difference you see is that one is a woman.

              Like, it’s great that you did vote for that woman as she also happens to be in favour of women having rights, lgbtq+ people having rights, doesn’t want mass deportions, still wants there to be elections in the future and a painfully long list of stark differences like that. It’s just impressive that none of that mattered to you, or that you are unaware of it

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          9 hours ago

          neither. 0.0% chance for either candidate.

          This level of cynicism is unwarranted. Sure it might be low, but for Harris it’s at least 0.1%.

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            with the current stranglehold the pro-Israeli lobby has on American politics (includes both GOP and DNC) even 0.1% is a stretch

            AIPAC even brags about it: https://aipacorg.app.box.com/s/t8vvqt7evxvgkzn5jktpwejate6oxo0y

            98% of AIPAC endorsed candidates won their election in 2022. if you are a politician and you say something mildly critical of Israel they will go to war with you and do everything so that your opponent wins

            Israel has figured out how to hack American democracy. There is no going back at this point. We are a pro-Israel country for the foreseeable future, regardless of which candidate wins this election or the next one or the next one

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        14 hours ago

        My argument is that the only good american is that dude who set himself on fire. You are a scumbag. You are no better than a german in the 30ies smelling the grilled flesh and thinking “this is fine, it’s still better than bolchevism”

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                13 hours ago

                You are americanized, what can I say? You are either german, british or from a commonwealth country. I’m betting my left balls.

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                  13 hours ago

                  wrong again, Bob. you can keep the balls though; no one’s gonna make use of them anyway.

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                    13 hours ago

                    Surprising. Then why do you support the liberals? They are the one doing the genocide. They are the one who created trump. They are the two-parties oligarchy. Good cop/bad cop. The carrot and the stick.

                    Why do you support american imperialism? If you are not from those 3 they probably murdered left-wing politicians in your country or sponsored fascists or something. Why are you a yanksucker?

                    It’s even worst, actually. They at least have the excuse of being braiwashed all the fucking time. You do not.

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          14 hours ago

          If you aren’t even American then shut the fuck up. You don’t really grasp how complex the politics actually are.

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            14 hours ago

            Nobody cares about your internal politics. Your external politics is always the same and seeing all of you idiots saying “BOTH SIDE ARE FOR GENOCIDE” leads to the conclusion you people have zero ethical consideration at all. You know, since you are overtly voting for extermination… again.

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                13 hours ago

                If there’s anybody this election cycle shows us, it’s that americans do not care about foreigners life at all. They would gladly throw entire countries under the bus if it means that they get to keep living their comfortable life putting their little ballot like cowards instead of actually fighting fascism.

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      3 hours ago

      Voting isn’t actually support

      On the other hand, making a deliberate choice not to act does mean supporting whatever happens without your action

      Interesting. So, by drag’s logic, a Trump voter isn’t responsible for supporting Trump, but a nonvoter is.

      It’s amusing to see the kinds of ridiculous knots y’all tie yourselves into trying to twist around language in an attempt to resolve your cognitive dissonance and punch left.