Democratic lawmakers accuse companies of shrinking product sizes while charging consumers the same price
It’s becoming a common experience for Americans going to the grocery store: your bag of chips seems lighter, your favorite drink comes in a slimmer bottle, and you’re running out of laundry detergent more quickly than usual. And yet things are staying the same price.
On Monday two Democratic lawmakers launched an attempt to get to the bottom of the phenomena, accusing three major companies, Coca-Cola, PepsiCo and General Mills, of shrinking the size of products while charging consumers the same price – a price-gouging practice known as “shrinkflation”.
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“Shrinking the size of a product in order to gouge consumers on the price per ounce is not innovation, it’s exploitation,” Warren and Dean said in a statement. “Unfortunately, this price gouging is a widespread problem, with corporate profits driving over half of inflation.”
The federal government should just enact a national unit price mandate for fair comparison shopping.
Currently, eighteen (18) states and one (1) territories have unit pricing laws or regulations in force. Ten (10) of these have mandatory unit pricing provisions. They are: Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and the District of Columbia.
https://www.nist.gov/pml/owm/national-legal-metrology/us-retail-pricing-laws-and-regulations
Unit pricing helps. A French supermarket also puts shrinkflation warning stickers on shelves where packaging size changed but price has not, that too should be mandatory
IIRC Hungary made it mandatory a while ago.
for how long do the stickers stay up?
This is the right way to go about it. Telling companies they can’t do x or y doesn’t jive with capitalism if they aren’t deemed monopolies.
Unregulated capitalism is clearly a shitshow so why are you arguing against an entire class of regulations for no real reason other than historical precedence? There’s no such thing as an inherent rule. They’re all just as made up as the rest.
Ok, but how do you see the proposed legislation playing out? How do you expect congress to set a specific amount of product that can no longer be reduced? It’s not like anyone can trust congress to revisit the law when changes are needed. Companies will just start making “six packs” of individual things that used to be sold as a six units per container in order to maintain flexibility to shift quantities in the future. This will lead to way more packaging.
Regulating capitalism is a very good thing, but I don’t see how it makes any sense in this case with the proposed legislation.
No one has proposed any specific legislation. We’re talking about theoretical concepts. My only point is that saying “that’s not how capitalism works” is a dumb thing to say when it comes to rejecting an idea because we are collectively making up the rules for how capitalism works as we go along. It can work in whatever way we want it to.
That’s a straw man argument and adds nothing to this conversation.
He says, while adding nothing to the conversation.
Can I also add nothing? It’ll make me feel important with no consequences.
I got enough out of this that I feel you should try again, but try harder not to try so hard.
Great, now I can more accurately compare how all the brands are shrinking at roughly the same rate. The problem isn’t consumer education, it’s implicit market collusion. Coke shrinks and doesn’t lose profit so Pepsi shrinks so Coke shrinks so Pepsi shrinks, etc - a race to the bottom feedback loop.
Unit pricing is good, but I don’t really think it solves this particular issue. Every time I see unit price even listed it’s in tiny, near illegible font under the massive bold item price, and every time I’ve point d the out to people they don’t give a shit because they aren’t going to spend 5 minutes comparing the prices of soda bottles so they can squeeze out less than a dime’s worth of savings.
The problem isn’t consumer education, it’s implicit market collusion.
Nailed it. And this is why your comment about notifying customers is also correct. Consumers barely have a choice. Everything is overpriced.
they aren’t going to spend 5 minutes comparing the prices of soda bottles so they can squeeze out less than a dime’s worth of savings.
It’s all about those percentages. My favorite chips went from 60¢/oz to 85¢/oz. Clearly not worth my time in terms of absolute price difference, but that’s a 41.67% increase. If I just ignore the amount through my whole grocery trip, the difference at the checkout line is huge. It becomes worth my time very quickly.
You can explain that to people but it still won’t convince them to spend any amount of time doing math in a grocery store unless they’re so desperate for cash that the problem is well beyond the scope of pricing schemes.
I frequently make decisions based on ($/oz, $/g, or $/ml) unit pricing, but I also have very limited income.
On the one hand, shrinkflation is a fucking awful thing to do to consumers.
On the other hand, I wish people would see the fact that they’re eating fewer chips and drinking less sugary soda has a silver lining.
Maybe keep the physical shrink and shrink the price too?
Yes, proportional change would be better although when it ccomes to cereal it is the person pouring the cereal that decides how much a serving is.
mmmmmm cereal…
Absolutely. With some things, the physical shrinkage is not going to change portion size. But chips and soda were specifically mentioned.
The problem is lack of consent.
If I’m buying less chips than the last time, I should be informed, not in fine print, but in obvious terms.
A few companies tried to pawn off their shrinkflation by going the health route. A journalist then asked, “Why, then, are you not advertising the health benefits of this new size?”
I wish I could find the interview because the spokesperson simply gaffed and showed that it was not about health. It was about money.
Oh it’s definitely not about health. I’m just saying that they should be smaller portions. Just not what they charge for them.
What we need is regulation on serving sizes. Restaurants offer giant soda sizes because the cost of the actual product was almost nothing in comparison to the infrastructure required to serve it. Selling a $2 soda is roughly the same profit at 8 oz or 32 oz. So why not offer the 32 oz for 15 cents more and make the customer feel better about the value for their money? Plus, it’s addictive and reinforces taste hunger which encourages binge eating and triggers a physiological response to the meal.
Unfettered capitalism would scoop out your insides and sell them back to you if it generated profit. Sugar, salt, acid, and fat should be tightly regulated additives.
That’s really funny, I just finished posting almost the same thing about serving sizes to someone else in this comment chain but put it in another way. I agree with you 100%.
Right, I mean the issue isn’t necessarily the smaller serving size, it’s the much higher price per quantity of product. That said it isn’t all upside since the volume of a container increases faster than its surface area and therefore larger packages use less packaging material per quantity of product leading to less trash (assuming the product is fully consumed and not partially thrown away).
There’s a balancing act in play where the ideal size is the average amount that a person would consume within the products shelf life (once opened). That minimizes food waste and excess packaging material.
Since averages when applied to people are notoriously bad (see E.G. attempts at making an average fighter pilot seat) it’s best to offer a variety of package sizes so that consumers can purchase the one that best meets their consumption needs. So as to not encourage over consumption though, the cost of packaging materials should probably be averaged and applied to the quantity of product such that price per quantity of product remains linear instead of being cheaper as the volume of the container increases.
Standardizing ‘serving size’ would help too.
The ‘serving size’ of an 7.5-ounce can of Coke is… one can.
The ‘serving size’ of a 12-ounce can of Coke is… one can.
The ‘serving size’ of a 16-ounce bottle of Coke is… one bottle
The ‘serving size’ of a 20-ounce bottle of Coke is… one bottle.
The ‘serving size’ of a 2 liter bottle of Coke is… about six.
No wonder everyone ignores that phrase.
Those serving sizes actually make sense though. The ones that don’t are for instance a small bag of chips with a serving size like 1.5 servings where it’s very obvious the serving size was picked not based on the expected consumption (I’m certain the expectation is that the entire bag will be eaten in one sitting), but in order to make the nutritional information seem more reasonable. Or a single candybar with a serving size of 2.5.
There needs to be a distinction between single serving packaging vs. multi-serving packaging (which should be resealable), and that should be based on actual consumption not attempts to massage the nutritional into.
“Serving sizes” have always been arbitrary numbers set by the manufacturer, and yes they’re often ridiculous because they try to cheat the math. But I think they did make them start adding “per package” nutrition facts for non-resealable containers to combat this.
I don’t feel like it does make sense for all of those different sizes except the largest being one serving. Especially when the largest is more than twice as big as the smallest.
It goes back to my earlier point about average person. A 12oz can might be a single serving to you, but only a half serving to someone else. By offering different sized bottles/cans the consumer can purchase the single serving size appropriate to them (with matching accurate nutritional info). What shouldn’t happen though is for instance a 16oz bottle using the nutritional info from a 12oz bottle and just adjusting the servings per container to be ~1.3.
That’s not silver lining. That’s a flake of silver from the CEO’s toilet paper after he wiped his ass and threw it in the mixer
On the one hand, I’m in favour of portion sizes getting smaller for junk foods.
On the other hand, I’d prefer to be getting the same amount of stuff each time I buy the same product. I’d rather prices go up instead of things getting stealthily smaller.
The worst is when they use the same packaging, but just have less product. Kraft Dinner/instant Mac & Cheese being a particularly egregious offender…
Seems like there should be some way to tax packaging to combat that crap.
What really grinds my gears is when shrinkflation happens to pre-packaged products that are used as ingredients because it throws recipes off. Here’s three examples:
Campbell’s pre-made soups like Cream of Mushroom or Creamy Tomato changed from 10.75oz down to 10.5oz. If your favorite casserole doesn’t taste quite like it used to this is probably why.
Pre-packaged meats like bacon and tuna. For as long as I could remember pre-packaged bacon was always sold in some multiple of a pound, now you have to pay attention because often the bags are 10 or 12oz instead of 16. Growing up tuna was 6.5oz can and its now down to just 5.
The same thing has happened with canned vegetables like green beans or even canned mushrooms. Once you’re done adjusting the amount of Cream of Mushroom in that Green Bean Casserole you’re going to have to circle back and fix the amount of green beans in it.
When you bust out Grandma’s recipe card you need to be careful because her “can” or “jar” of something was almost certainly bigger than what you have!
Oh, and if you are trying to make older recipes it’s not just the volume / amount of things that changed it’s also the formulation. Almost everything that is pre-processed has been re-formulated over the past 20 years so it no longer cooks or tastes the same as it used to.
Some old recipes are damn difficult to make correctly these days because the ingredients aren’t the same type or size. It’s frustrating.
last can of tuna i got was literally 50% oil and the rest looked it was mill ends that would usually be shipped to farmers for hog slopping
Coke, Pepsi, and General Mills must have missed their payments.
Posturing without any follow-through is how politics generally works
Warren isn’t bought by them.
Here I’m starting to see “family sized” chocolate bars that are way more expensive but it weights the same grams as the old size before shrinkflation.
“family sized” here may refer to not how much a family can/should consume of the chocolate, but all they can afford. /s
I was looking to find what this actually does about shrinkflation and couldn’t find it.
If this is some fact-finding committee i swear I’ll lose my mind. The shrinkflation’s not even subtle, and its much much more than the paltry examples listed.
Like it’s so insulting i stopped me bad habit of eating kids cereal as a treat/dessert. The fact there’s no value prospect anymore is one thing, sure but the size of these goddamn cereal boxes got so small so fast even my lizard brain (the one ad guys work so hard to manipulate) gets angry instead of tempted.
I leave the grocery store imagining it’s on fire every week and I bet I’m not the only one
It’s less than a committee. They sent a letter and released a statement.
But maybe the FTC will be doing something too.
I recently noticed that the 52oz “half gallon” bottles of orange juice were cheaper per unit than the 89oz “gallon bottles”. I couldn’t figure out how that could be the case.
Well, now they’ve taken away the 52oz bottles and replaced them with even smaller 46oz bottles. And they’re once again more expensive per unit than the big ones. (And the little single-serving bottles are 11oz, probably going down to 10.5 soon.)
Hey, let’s go one better. Let’s require manufacturers to design product containers that don’t waste product. I genuinely want to write a letter to whatever government organization oversees this type of stuff (in the US) at some point once I can figure out where, who, and gather documentation.
I’m talking everything. Salsa containers with a lip at the top that keeps all product from pouring out. Thin-necked mayo, tomato sauce, alfredo, etc. food containers that make even using a spatula and beatings difficult.
Then, lets move onto other things like bodywash, household cleaners, even the poop sprays. Airwick’s poop spray is a good example. When the package is half-empty, tilting it to spray will pull the hose out of the liquid unless you rotate the container to resubmerge it. You can’t even get half the product out before it is troublesome. Its whole life will be spent tilted at a 90 degree angle to spray in a toilet bowl. Why even use a hose? Oh, wait…for the profits.
More minor things, Bodywashes like Suave that switched from squeeze bottles to pumps. Most hand soaps also end up here too. The container is shaped with a dome in the bottom for structural reinforcement and the hose touches the reinforcement instead of extending all the way down to the bottom. Or every lotion bottle ever made.
Net sum, you end up with a few ounces of product that can’t be used. Most people probably just chuck it and buy a new one. Just to spite them I try to use up every last drop of whatever, but it is an annoying effort every time.
The manufacturer doesn’t care because the product being sold is the least expense of the entire supply chain, but think of the supply chain…
Let’s talk body lotion and estimate 4oz of unused product in every lotion bottle (probably closer to 6, but even 1 adds up) and a 16oz lotion bottle.
I used AI to scrape the web for some numbers, so huge grain of salt here, but, it estimates a 40 foot cargo container and a packaging efficiency of 80%, that 37,000 bottles of 16oz lotion could fit in one container.
That’s 148,000oz (1156.25 gallons, 4376.9 liters) of unused product being pointlessly shipped around per cargo container, with intent that it will be thrown away, per container. That is fuel in ships, trucks, aircraft, trains, delivery vans, peoples’ cars all being burned to transport something that will never be used.
Multiply that by every kind of product line that does the same thing, it’s a boondoggle of energy waste, pollution, CO2 generation, and customer ripoffery.
Mandatory changing of the design of packages for food, body, and other products could all by itself help with climate change on a planetary scale, as well as keeping the shrinkflaters more honest.
All their “deals” are like 10.5oz canned sodies for $10/12pk or 3 pks for $20. They sell sugar and water and carbonation and they price it like expensive spring water. It’s poison.
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Fuckingcapitalists
I’m fine with Coke and Pepsi keeping their shrinkflation.
Bring back the 3L bottles!
I’m sure they’ll stop this practice post haste.
Costco muffins just got smaller. I saw people freeze with confusion
