Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has endorsed President Joe Biden’s reelection campaign, a sign of the president’s strength in uniting his party to have the backing of one of its most liberal members
this shit gets me angry. both parties suck, biden sucks, yeah yeah yeah. he isn’t in support of actively ripping rights away from millions of people, and he isn’t on board with genociding trans people. i swear, you have either be super out of touch with the people actively under threat by republicans or putting your principles over the lives of actual people to even begin equating the two parties. work on utopian political projects every other day of the year, build movements to affect broader social change, but i swear if you end up not voting blue during one of the most precarious moments of this shithole’s democracy what comes next is worse for all of us.
and to be clear, biden sucks and i hate him. but genuinely i don’t want to get genocided, and the blue guy is a lot less likely to try that shit on me or the people i love.
Just on my tiny street in America, three families lost their homes to Obama’s foreclosure crisis. Multiply that by every street in this country and you have a lot of people who won’t see the appeal of Hillary being a continuation of Obama’s policies.
oh for sure. i don’t trust the dude, and his policy (like all capitalists) has tangible impacts on my quality of life. every moment we don’t have universal health care, and specifically universal gender affirming healthcare for one of my specific minority corners, leads to the unnecessary deaths of innocent people. every moment we don’t have housing justice, climate justice, and any number of other progressive policies leaves more people in horrific situations. i just don’t think electoral politics provides a pathway for anything better at the moment, and if it goes to the red team things get much worse for everybody much quicker.
yeah, such a liberal. haha. i’m a queer anarchist. if i thought there was a chance in fucking hell a socialist would get into office i’d take it. i just don’t put ideological purity over human lives. electoral politics is fucked, but your cute little third party vote is designed to mean fuck all, and we both know that. i’m gonna stomach my distaste for the dickhead and spend an hour of my time doing the most basic form of political engagement possible, to prevent the real deal fascist bigot party from getting more power over us, then i’m going to get back to more productive things. fuck you if you can’t discern the difference between the people legislating people like me out of existence, and the people who aren’t. people will live or die based on the outcome of these elections, its not time to play pretend about socialists in US electoral politics.
You are helping to ensure a socialist won’t get into office. A self-fulfilling prophecy. Liberal in action; anarchist in word. You came out of the gate trying to shame people who actually vote for their principles. That’s not solidarity with anyone fighting for liberation, sorry.
so please, for fucks sake, don’t do the thing that helps the bigots but sticks to your principles, please. i am very frightened, and do not want to die or be left without healthcare. i’m not trying to shame you, i’m telling you that if enough people do the thing that you are planning to do this next election, the most likely outcome is very much not a socialist getting to be the president. please, i will beg on my knees, don’t do a very dumb thing that won’t get you what you want.
Nothing you do at the ballot box will prevent a fascist from being elected to office, either. You’re willing to beg for someone to put a check mark on the paper to help affirm their shitty status quo political system and their shitty fascist political brands. None of that is going to change your material conditions. Have some dignity, and if you really aspire to be an anarchist, study the actual systems you’re so worried about and figure this shit out. If you’re going to beg a leftist for something, make it something that’ll make a difference. I’ll put my life on the line to get you where you need to go to get the treatment you need, and to figure out how to do it outside of the system you’re begging to preserve that’ll happily put you in the ground. Biden ain’t fucking it.
Yes, you’re getting angry. You’ve been angry since the first comment I replied to. You’re just angry at all the wrong things and people. Cut that shit out.
you don’t get to decide what i am, and you don’t know what i do. you can blame other people for socialist candidates not being viable in this country all you want, but the reality is, that if we aren’t careful in the next election, people who want me and the people i love dead are gonna get into office, and our electoral system is designed to be winner takes all. unless you really genuinely think a socialist candidate has a solid shot at winning this next election cycle (and we both know they don’t even come close), your principles are gambling with human lives. i don’t have the privilege of having principles right now. i’m trying to survive. and diverting votes to candidates that can’t win makes it more likely the next guy has the power to follow through on his party’s threats of trans genocide. only one party has that on its ticket. that isn’t “trying to shame” anybody. i think that if you want the future you think you want, voting third party does not make sense, and is not strategically viable. we need to pick our enemies wisely.
I likely have as much to fear from the rising fascism as you do—I do from what you’ve indicated so far. Yet I am still an anarchist, whereas you are a liberal. You know what happens when you give up your principles, as you just admitted you have? You sell out everyone else and make sure they have even more to fear.
As for your great saviors the fucking donkey-brand fascists, they literally made an outright transphobe—who fought to put trans women in men’s prisons—their vice president. They aren’t putting their bodies or even their political careers on the line to prevent trans genocide. They aren’t doing fuck all about it, in fact, and have been egging it on for decades themselves except when they need to stand up on the stage and claim there’s a difference between them and the elephant brand. And you’ve fallen for exactly this nonsense to convince you to pick one set of transphobic fascists over the other. It’s working. And you’re the sucker. “Anarchist.” LMFAO.
Either way I’ll be fighting in the streets as well as standing up for my principles on all fronts, not just the ones where it’s convenient. Vote for your favorite brand of fascists if you like, but don’t try to shame those of us who are actually fighting instead of being reactionaries and blaming leftists and other working-class voters for their predicament as you are.
No, but the uni-party that’s in power in the U.S. is quite fascist. That has nothing to do with leftism, and I never implied it does. Apparently you missed in my original comment where I made it clear that Biden isn’t the only fascist being promoted (“either”).
Oh, I was replying @DesertRose and I only saw your comment immediately before it. I’m not a ‘both sides’ kinda person but they are both quite guilty - Republicans do seem to be more mask-off tho.
That being said, I don’t disagree with your response to @DesertRose.
My comment was more tongue-in-cheek and not meant to be taken too seriously, thus the “/s”
Fair enough. It sounded like you were attempting to characterize my comment, and that the “/s” was meant to show that you, yourself, didn’t agree with that characterization. Thanks for clarifying.
Fwiw I generally don’t think Biden is a Fascist per se. I think he is a corporatist and a neolib which can quickly lead to fascism. We need a different voting system besides first past to post so we can get some of these ghouls out of office.
“‘If they didn’t vote for a lizard’, said Ford, ‘the wrong lizard might get in.’” - Douglas Adams, Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Plenty of fascist policy in Biden’s career of politics: mass incarceration—including concentration camps—the “War On Drugs”, union busting and strikebreaking, mass surveillance (e.g. the Patriot Act, which he happily takes credit for), militarization of the police, attacks on journalism and whistleblowers, etc.
Yes, you really should work on getting in the loop.
The war on drugs has been a policy standard since Nixon to put minorities and the leftist youth in prison and has unfortunately has not been recanted but progress is slowing being made to change that.
The union busting was heartbreaking to hear but it is by no means an indicator of somebody being a fascist. In the US there has been plenty of union busting by capitalists.
The PATRIOT Act is a very unfortunate product of fear that nearly everyone gave liberty for some sense of security. Most people in the US were frightened by the 9/11 attacks, and there were few people at the time that saw that it would be a huge mistake to give the government such vast surveillance powers. Hindsight is very strong now with this.
Militarization of the police has more to do with a state by state, and department by department thing. The federal government has very little to do with local policing. There’s several Supreme Court cases basically saying so. Probably not the greatest idea as I would like a little more federal protection from and oversight of local police forces.
The only one I’m not familiar with is the whistleblowers. The only attacks on the press I know of are him calling out far right outlets that publish false and misleading information. Certainly not the president who claimed fake news about everything.
I am not super supportive of the Democratic Party, it has its issues but it is far from fascism. I think you are confusing that with authoritarianism. The Republican Party is the one that endorses candidates that want people like me to be dead and that is a pretty big motivator to vote for the Dems to prevent that from happening to me or others.
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this shit gets me angry. both parties suck, biden sucks, yeah yeah yeah. he isn’t in support of actively ripping rights away from millions of people, and he isn’t on board with genociding trans people. i swear, you have either be super out of touch with the people actively under threat by republicans or putting your principles over the lives of actual people to even begin equating the two parties. work on utopian political projects every other day of the year, build movements to affect broader social change, but i swear if you end up not voting blue during one of the most precarious moments of this shithole’s democracy what comes next is worse for all of us.
and to be clear, biden sucks and i hate him. but genuinely i don’t want to get genocided, and the blue guy is a lot less likely to try that shit on me or the people i love.
People like them is why Trump won.
No, Hillary is why Trump won.
Just on my tiny street in America, three families lost their homes to Obama’s foreclosure crisis. Multiply that by every street in this country and you have a lot of people who won’t see the appeal of Hillary being a continuation of Obama’s policies.
So it’s only “a lot less likely” not a definitive won’t ever?
oh for sure. i don’t trust the dude, and his policy (like all capitalists) has tangible impacts on my quality of life. every moment we don’t have universal health care, and specifically universal gender affirming healthcare for one of my specific minority corners, leads to the unnecessary deaths of innocent people. every moment we don’t have housing justice, climate justice, and any number of other progressive policies leaves more people in horrific situations. i just don’t think electoral politics provides a pathway for anything better at the moment, and if it goes to the red team things get much worse for everybody much quicker.
Historically, the guy that fought against apartheid is unlikely to commit genocide.
There’s no definitive ‘ever’ in anything though. History has a few democratically-elected populist-turned-dictators if memory serves me right
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yeah, such a liberal. haha. i’m a queer anarchist. if i thought there was a chance in fucking hell a socialist would get into office i’d take it. i just don’t put ideological purity over human lives. electoral politics is fucked, but your cute little third party vote is designed to mean fuck all, and we both know that. i’m gonna stomach my distaste for the dickhead and spend an hour of my time doing the most basic form of political engagement possible, to prevent the real deal fascist bigot party from getting more power over us, then i’m going to get back to more productive things. fuck you if you can’t discern the difference between the people legislating people like me out of existence, and the people who aren’t. people will live or die based on the outcome of these elections, its not time to play pretend about socialists in US electoral politics.
You are helping to ensure a socialist won’t get into office. A self-fulfilling prophecy. Liberal in action; anarchist in word. You came out of the gate trying to shame people who actually vote for their principles. That’s not solidarity with anyone fighting for liberation, sorry.
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Nothing you do at the ballot box will prevent a fascist from being elected to office, either. You’re willing to beg for someone to put a check mark on the paper to help affirm their shitty status quo political system and their shitty fascist political brands. None of that is going to change your material conditions. Have some dignity, and if you really aspire to be an anarchist, study the actual systems you’re so worried about and figure this shit out. If you’re going to beg a leftist for something, make it something that’ll make a difference. I’ll put my life on the line to get you where you need to go to get the treatment you need, and to figure out how to do it outside of the system you’re begging to preserve that’ll happily put you in the ground. Biden ain’t fucking it.
Yes, you’re getting angry. You’ve been angry since the first comment I replied to. You’re just angry at all the wrong things and people. Cut that shit out.
you don’t get to decide what i am, and you don’t know what i do. you can blame other people for socialist candidates not being viable in this country all you want, but the reality is, that if we aren’t careful in the next election, people who want me and the people i love dead are gonna get into office, and our electoral system is designed to be winner takes all. unless you really genuinely think a socialist candidate has a solid shot at winning this next election cycle (and we both know they don’t even come close), your principles are gambling with human lives. i don’t have the privilege of having principles right now. i’m trying to survive. and diverting votes to candidates that can’t win makes it more likely the next guy has the power to follow through on his party’s threats of trans genocide. only one party has that on its ticket. that isn’t “trying to shame” anybody. i think that if you want the future you think you want, voting third party does not make sense, and is not strategically viable. we need to pick our enemies wisely.
I likely have as much to fear from the rising fascism as you do—I do from what you’ve indicated so far. Yet I am still an anarchist, whereas you are a liberal. You know what happens when you give up your principles, as you just admitted you have? You sell out everyone else and make sure they have even more to fear.
As for your great saviors the fucking donkey-brand fascists, they literally made an outright transphobe—who fought to put trans women in men’s prisons—their vice president. They aren’t putting their bodies or even their political careers on the line to prevent trans genocide. They aren’t doing fuck all about it, in fact, and have been egging it on for decades themselves except when they need to stand up on the stage and claim there’s a difference between them and the elephant brand. And you’ve fallen for exactly this nonsense to convince you to pick one set of transphobic fascists over the other. It’s working. And you’re the sucker. “Anarchist.” LMFAO.
Either way I’ll be fighting in the streets as well as standing up for my principles on all fronts, not just the ones where it’s convenient. Vote for your favorite brand of fascists if you like, but don’t try to shame those of us who are actually fighting instead of being reactionaries and blaming leftists and other working-class voters for their predicament as you are.
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If you decide to do something incredibly stupid, then expect to be called out.
Lol what? Please explain the fascism that I’m apparently completely out of the loop on.
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Democrat = Liberal = Socialist = Communist = Fascist = Nazi. Therefore all Democrats are literally Nazi Fascists
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No, but the uni-party that’s in power in the U.S. is quite fascist. That has nothing to do with leftism, and I never implied it does. Apparently you missed in my original comment where I made it clear that Biden isn’t the only fascist being promoted (“either”).
Oh, I was replying @DesertRose and I only saw your comment immediately before it. I’m not a ‘both sides’ kinda person but they are both quite guilty - Republicans do seem to be more mask-off tho.
That being said, I don’t disagree with your response to @DesertRose.
My comment was more tongue-in-cheek and not meant to be taken too seriously, thus the “/s”
Fair enough. It sounded like you were attempting to characterize my comment, and that the “/s” was meant to show that you, yourself, didn’t agree with that characterization. Thanks for clarifying.
Fwiw I generally don’t think Biden is a Fascist per se. I think he is a corporatist and a neolib which can quickly lead to fascism. We need a different voting system besides first past to post so we can get some of these ghouls out of office.
“‘If they didn’t vote for a lizard’, said Ford, ‘the wrong lizard might get in.’” - Douglas Adams, Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Those are not mutually exclusive. Biden very much subscribes to fascist politics, and has for his entire political career.
Plenty of fascist policy in Biden’s career of politics: mass incarceration—including concentration camps—the “War On Drugs”, union busting and strikebreaking, mass surveillance (e.g. the Patriot Act, which he happily takes credit for), militarization of the police, attacks on journalism and whistleblowers, etc.
Yes, you really should work on getting in the loop.
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The war on drugs has been a policy standard since Nixon to put minorities and the leftist youth in prison and has unfortunately has not been recanted but progress is slowing being made to change that.
The union busting was heartbreaking to hear but it is by no means an indicator of somebody being a fascist. In the US there has been plenty of union busting by capitalists.
The PATRIOT Act is a very unfortunate product of fear that nearly everyone gave liberty for some sense of security. Most people in the US were frightened by the 9/11 attacks, and there were few people at the time that saw that it would be a huge mistake to give the government such vast surveillance powers. Hindsight is very strong now with this.
Militarization of the police has more to do with a state by state, and department by department thing. The federal government has very little to do with local policing. There’s several Supreme Court cases basically saying so. Probably not the greatest idea as I would like a little more federal protection from and oversight of local police forces.
The only one I’m not familiar with is the whistleblowers. The only attacks on the press I know of are him calling out far right outlets that publish false and misleading information. Certainly not the president who claimed fake news about everything.
I am not super supportive of the Democratic Party, it has its issues but it is far from fascism. I think you are confusing that with authoritarianism. The Republican Party is the one that endorses candidates that want people like me to be dead and that is a pretty big motivator to vote for the Dems to prevent that from happening to me or others.