What language was that jpeg compression written in?
You ever heard of lossless compression? Well they developed lossfull anti compression, it compresses and decompresses the images so many times that the added artifacts create a larger file than original ! Impressive ain’t it?
we do live in the future
Impressive
Potato
YOU WERE NEVER MEANT TO ACCESS STARCH DIRECTLY
Does anyone even know what Windows is written in?
witchcraft
Makes sense
C or C++ usually
yeah but which craft?
Originally Windows was written in assembly and ran on top of DOS, but since Windows 2000 and XP, it’s been exclusively running on the NT kernel, which is written primarily in C, with some C++ in there as well.
The actual userspace is mostly C++ and C#.
And basically the entirety of dotnet 6 forward is spans. It’s all spans. All the way down.
Microsoft is quickly writing more and more Rust code these days. They rolled out Rust kernel components even before Linux, and their efforts actually include rewrites rather than making the API available to developers.
There’s decades of code in Windows, but the successful conversion for DirectWrite font parsing is probably a sign of things to come. MS seems to even be porting some COM modules to Rust, which would be the last thing I would start to port (so many pointer pointers!).
True! Their embrace of Rust is certainly heartening to see.
Let’s just hope they don’t follow it up with the other two E’s in their typical playbook.
Please do go ahead and name the last open standard that Microsoft intentionally destroyed.
EEE is the fucking boogeyman on Lemmy. You just mention it’s name and a bunch of nerds shit their pants and upvote.
Atom died about 13 months ago.
Just because they’re in a relative lull in the desktop space doesn’t mean they’ve stopped.
Atom usage dropped off dramatically in favour of VS Code or the fully open source VS Codium, there’s no point in Github writing it’s own code editor when it’s hosting a much more popular, more powerful, and equally open source editor in one of its repos.
Github had been funding development of Atom until MS bought them, put Atom on maintenance mode for 4 years, then killed it.
There may be good examples out there, but I’d argue Atom isn’t one of them. VS Code was clearly intended to be a spiritual successor with MS branding IMO, it is a fork of Atom, and it is equally open source (MIT license).
Unless I’m missing something, the most recent example there is from 2002 which, to my own horror, was more than 20 years ago.
2002?
Well, you know those claims that Java runs on 18 trillion devices? How do you think they got there, hmmmmm?
I enjoy the selection bias in the comments for these sorts of posts. >_< There’s a few people saying “I kinda like C”, a few saying “use Python instead”, and a whole lot saying “Rust is my lord and savior”. Completely disjoint from the real world usage of the languages for whatever practical, pragmatic, or ideological measures they are used for.
This is why the post and the thread are so funny (assuming people are being intentionally funny)
I know barely anything about programming languages and only ask as a fan, what are the real world usages of languages and what are their practical, pragmatic, or ideological measures that they are used for?
I guess by real world usage I mean what proportion of code is being made with them. You should be skeptical of their accuracy, but there are measures for that. Like there is this one: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/, but it describes it’s methodology as being about popularity based on articles, news, and other such things. Github publishes a very different chart as does RedMonk. Rust barely shows up on these charts, but Rust fans are very enthusiastic in threads like this. I like Rust well enough, but I also find the over-enthusiasm amusing.
By practical/pragmatic I mean the ability to target a lot of hardware with C. Sometimes the tooling is crap, but it’s very universal. Being built on LLVM Rust can go onto plenty of hardware too, but it’s probably not the tooling given to you by a platform vendor. It’s also been around for a long time, so using Rust would mean a rewrite. Sometimes C is simply the choice. As for ideologically: Rust solves some pretty nasty programming issues, but sometimes I think it’s fans over-estimate the percentage of real world problems it actually solves while ignoring that Rust can be more expensive to write. (shrug) Sometimes there’s no such thing as a silver bullet.
w… windows 10?
I think I saw online that Windows was written in C++
C++, but a very ugly and oldschool dialect of it.
Yes, you already said C++, no need to repeat yourself :P
Well… I love C, just the semplicity of the syntax and low level aspect of it makes it the only language you need. F*ck high level languages
C is simple in the same way that a circular saw with no safety features is simple. I like having fingers better.
low level aspect of it makes it the only language you need
about that https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3212479
W10: :(
Yesterday I tried using an honest-to-god pointer pointer pointer, and I think the compiler refused on moral grounds.
But I like C, it’s like a smaller Golang
Fools haven’t even written it well! Translated:
STOP WRITING
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MEMORY WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE AESSED DIRETLY
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YEARS OF PROGRAMMING yet STILL ODE IS STILL WRITTEN with memory vulnerabilities
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Wanted to aess memory diretly anyway? We had a tool for that: It was alled “ASSEMBLY”
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“Yes please give me NULL of something. Please give me *&* of it” - Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
LOOK at what Programmers have been demanding your Respet for all this time, with all of the omputers we built for them
(These are REAL programs, written by REAL Programmers):
??? ??? ???
They have played us for absolute fools
LUV ‘ODE
LUV LINUX
‘ATE WINDOWS
‘ATE ‘LOSED SOURCE
SIMPLE AS
Thank
what does this omment even say??? i ant see it
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Just use brainfuck for everything. The entry barrier for the programming industry needs to be higher anyway.
Is brainfuck efficient ?
For the programmer? Very no.
For saving space if run via interperter? No.
For running compiled for conventional CPUs? No.
Compared to CISC instruction sets? Absolutely no.
BF might be highly efficient if crunched down to a bit-packed representation (3 bits per instruction) and run on an FPGA that understands it.
For demonstrating to CS freshmen that Turing Completeness isn’t that remarkable of a language feature: very highly efficient.
Imagine having anyone tell you how to access your memory.
Let’s rewrite Linux kernel in Python
Fun fact!
The Asahi Linux drivers for the Apple M1 GPU were originally written in Python: https://asahilinux.org/2022/11/tales-of-the-m1-gpu/
GPU drivers in Python?!
Since getting all these structures right is critical for the GPU to work and the firmware to not crash, I needed a way of quickly experimenting with them while I reverse engineered things. Thankfully, the Asahi Linux project already has a tool for this: The m1n1 Python framework! Since I was already writing a GPU tracer for the m1n1 hypervisor and filling out structure definitions in Python, I decided to just flip it on its head and start writing a Python GPU kernel driver, using the same structure definitions. Python is great for this, since it is very easy to iterate with! Even better, it can already talk the basic RTKit protocols and parse crash logs, and I improved the tools for that so I could see exactly what the firmware was doing when it crashes. This is all done by running scripts on a development machine which connects to the M1 machine via USB, so you can easily reboot it every time you want to test something and the test cycle is very fast!
Good for testing and iterating, but what about performance? Though I guess getting everything right is more important right now, translating it into another language will probably require less work that way
It has already been translated into rust. Python wasn’t ever intended to be used in the “real” driver, but I thought it was a fun anecdote none the less.
No in JavaScript
The prophets have foretold it: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript
Nobody’s built a supercomputer powerful enough to run a python version of even Linux Lite Edition.
Redstone it is, then.
I mean, someone made a barebones Linux work in scratch
Like… Kernel written in scratch?
Yeah, it uses Ed as it’s text editor
I think Linux is even written in C
I know I’m a fanboy, but I fell in love with C from the first time I tried it. I especially like its bare-bones grammar that never gets in your way. I appreciate how much it has taught me about how computers work. It helped me realize my aspirations to be an electrical engineer.
🦀
C was a nice idea but I guess it just didn’t work out as well as everyone hoped. Ah well, back to BCPL then.
There first version of sudo rewrite in Rust has been released last year: https://www.memorysafety.org/blog/sudo-first-stable-release/
