Isnt it like a binary choice? It annoys me that fellow peeps are this stupid if my understanding is correct…
Yes. They are this stupid. Or this is propaganda by big corporations in favor of Republicans.
Certainly hearing the same tune over and over again. Seems like it could be a propaganda effort. It is a little hard to believe lots of people are this…obtuse?
I guess it is possible that if someone doesn’t consume any (reliable) news and has zero understanding of politics and how it matters to the everyday peon, then they might not have learned anything during the Trump presidency.
The adults in the room need to do whatever we can to get people to vote and donate time or money to campaigns. Local, state, and US Congress elections matter the most.
Civics classes have been cut for decades. Even when I was a kid they never explained that you had to vote for someone you didn’t like.
South Park already dealt with this aha. Douchebag or Turd Sandwich—decide lol
It’s more like a root canal vs a bullet to the head. Both are gonna hurt, but only one is good for you in the long run
Can you explain exactly what people hate so much about Biden?
Like I get he sucked a lot in the past and gave you Clarence Thomas and differential racist treatment of cocaine vs crack cocaine offenders but I don’t get whats currently so terrible about him besides hes old and he has a sketchy history of political disingenuousness
Punted a Bork nomination and had to eat the Thomas one instead. Sucked all round & Bork openly against Civil Rights & Privacy which would have been at odds with Roe.
- the economy is still pretty shitty for most Americans. broadcasting how good it is for the few that it’s actually amazing… is not going to win many friends.
- Biden is pushing for military support of a genocidal, apartheid state.
- his support for abortion is… less actual support and more just him keeping his mouth shut. he’s personally apposed to it. One wonders if we’d have RvW codified in law if a progressive was in office.
- afaik, none of the student loan debt that’s gotten forgiven wasn’t already supposed to be forgiven… years, or even decades, ago. he’s done very little to actually lower the cost of tuition and such, or to curtail the blatant financial fraud that kept people locked into crippling debt.
- climate change, They’re also basically corporate love notes. the funding for climate change, largely is a lot of tax incentives for companies to do what they were going to do anyhow… while also not directly addressing the issues of climate change… (or, directly counter to it- see re-opening the Willow Project in Alaska. after promising no new oil drilling…)
- he’s old, and not nearly as progressive as more than half the people that would be voting DNC. (note I’m very carefully not saying ‘democrats’, because there are a lot of people my age who are progressive independents.we still largely vote blue, but we don’t trust institutions because… why should we?)
His handling of Israel’s genocide is a big one. This isn’t just because America, Biden’s handling of this mess has been uniquely horrible, and it’s losing him votes.
To…Trump? I totally get what your saying but does Trump plan to call out Bibi, like I don’t get how eviler is comparatively more appropriate than garden-variety evil/negligent
No Trump is obviously worse. But lesser of two evil stuff doesn’t get turnout. Biden needs to convince people to vote for him, not against Trump, and he’s currently doing the opposite of that.
I love name+language games like that!
Chad Chadinson!
The primary election isn’t about who will be president. It’s about who will be a given party’s candidate (to be president.).
which means that right now, Biden is not competing with Trump, and Trump is not competing with Biden, because they’re in diametrically apposed parties. refusing to even consider alternatives to Biden when Biden is extremely and deeply unpopular across large swaths of the DNC base is… pretty myopic… if you’re goal is to defeat Trump in November.
apposed
Not being a dick but did you mean
opposed or literallyapposed?I don’t get what
appositionis, its a weird word+concept
Not voting is an option :(
(Edit to add: To be clear, I put a frowny face because it’s an option some people take, but I wasn’t endorsing it. And I’m not American…)
Seriously, fuck that. Pick a damn lane, you don’t not vote when Hitler/his modern day political equivalents are in the picture…
What’s Nikki Haley’s deal besides she’s a she?
Then we should all vote for the guy that allowing genocide like Hitler did, right?!? Because genocide is the lesser evil, right?
I think you shouldn’t do what actual Hitler’s protègé wants and
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not vote
Biden was never getting my vote anyway. Red fascist, blue fascist, its all fascism. And there is NO acceptable level of evil.
Does it bother you that you’re kind of doing what Republicans “want you to do” and disenfranchise yourself reflexively?
Definitely interestedin your perspectives but I would also like to get your commentary on the notion :)
I’m not disenfranchised, the oligarchy has done this
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To be clear: I put a frowny face because it’s an option some people take, but I wasn’t endorsing it.
Ah k but I still think its worthwhile to address it, I think I actually upvoted you because I wanted to take a stab at the idea not you ;)
Edit: Ya I definitely upvoted u. I’m weird like that, a comment has to be pretty agregious or me pretty out of sorts to generally downvote something I think is relevant even if its disagreeable
Fair enough
Not voting is still choosing Dem or GOP; it’s just silencing your own preference between the two and putting your faith in your countrymen to make the right decision… many hundreds of thousands of which are fucking morons.
I really, strongly encourage you to show up and pick the least-bad candidate who has a realistic shot at winning.
To be clear: I put a frowny face because it’s an option some people take, but I wasn’t endorsing it.
(also I’m not American if that wasn’t clear from my username)
Not casting a ballot is the stupidest option available. It will only ever send the message that your opinion doesn’t matter and no party will try to win your vote. Showing up to vote, and casting an empty ballot is how you send the message that all the candidates suck. You’ve proven you have the motivation to show up and as such your opinion matters and candidates will try and win your vote.
To be clear: I put a frowny face because it’s an option some people take, but I wasn’t endorsing it.
That’s how I interpreted your comment. 👍
To the down-voter who didn’t reply: Do you really think that not voting motivates a candidate in the next election to seek out your opinions on the issues to win your vote? Has it worked for you yet?
If you mean vote for him vs. not vote for him, then yes.
If you mean vote for him vs. the Republican nominee, then no, as there are other options. For starters the article seemed to suggest that some may just not vote at all. They also might vote for him but do so reluctantly, e.g. without discussing with their friends strongly promoting the voting for Biden as they did in the last election.
But it’s a long way to the actual election, and campaigning has not started in earnest yet.
How could that ever be successful? I like the Billions paraphrase
anybody making a bet they don’t know works out [Cotton] is a sucker [schmuck, my word]
—Billions
“Successful”? Ah, I see, you think they are making their choices strategically, rather than emotionally. Interesting. :-D
I kid, but there actually is strategy involved there - by saying that their votes cannot be “counted on”, they could be attempting to wrangle additional concessions.
Ofc there is a bunch of nonsense going on as well - e.g. blaming Biden for not managing to codify Roe v. Wade, in this Congress!? They would have a better chance of asking to go to the moon - that is expensive but at least possible in theory!:-P I mention Congress ofc bc that is the government body that passes laws - the Presidency enforces, maybe vetoes, but does not make laws, so having a President receptive to and even someone who heavily pushes for a certain thing is not sufficient. Contrary to popular opinion, the Presidency has many limitations, and you do not simply show up to vote and somehow life gets “all better”, as some seem to think. Young people can be quite inexperienced and naive sometimes.
Then again, it was not young people that gave us Trump, and if they choose not to bail this country out again a second time, especially if they vote their conscience as a result of Israel (right or wrong mind you, in fact especially the latter), I will not be blaming the least experienced among us as the scapegoat to all of life’s problems… It should not be the case that it is up to those least prepared to deal with a situation, to be the deciding factor that “saves” us all - and the fact that we continue to ignore this aspect every time the young people show up to do so, shows how perilous the situation truly is. Maybe next time they won’t? If so, then we never deserved saving in the first place… bc that’s not freedom, to continually lie in the shadow of destruction.
blaming Biden for not managing to codify Roe v. Wade, in this Congress!?
yes. he likes to take sole credit for their victories, he can also take some credit for their failings, too. Shoulda kept Manchin on a shorter leash.
Not that I imagine biden tried all that hard on it. I mean, he once voted to overturn it. in 1982… he still says that he’s personally opposed. I just imagine it’s not on his list of things he really gives a damn about, but somebody in his camp managed to convince him he at least needs to shut up about.
That’s probably the gist of it right there in fairness - he could have tried harder. Then again, he knows what’s what, and like (a) the mess he inherited from the previous occupant of the job took an enormous amount of effort to deal with, like basically ALL of the efforts, really, that were to spare (and things like the border crisis, huge spike in homelessness, greedflation, etc. continue onwards even now), and so (b) to have fought the good fight would have come at the cost of enormous political capital that would have prevented other things from happening. Thought experiment: what would Dems be willing to give up, in order to have made a useless (I mean purely in the sense of doomed to failure in the short term, though ultimately such things may need a coordinated effort over many years) attempt to appear to try to codify Roe v. Wade? Would we have been willing to sacrifice funding for Ukraine? Passing a budget for the year at all? College loan remittance? Political capital has limits, so in order to work towards that goal, something else must be sacrificed, that’s just reality.
Also, unpopular opinion alert - or rather, adjacent to one, in the service of a deeper understanding - women are not prevented from having abortions, at least on the federal level. If a state such as Florida or Texas etc. prevents such a thing, then don’t live in those states? There are MANY things going on in those states - book burnings, teacher shortages, also libraries, also doctors/nurses, also basic infrastructure, the list just goes on forever - and Biden is merely one old man, so what is he being asked to do, replace Jesus in those states? There is only so much that he or any one person could do. e.g., when a Supreme Court seat opens up, that’s when he can do a lot to work towards his goal, but I cannot say this loudly enough, even as a President he cannot pass laws. He can be part of a solution but he cannot be the entirety of one. Nor should he be.
He could stop sending weapons to Israel. That would be a nice start.
Okay, a fair point, but… we were talking about abortion:-D. (also, can we stop, or is it a stipulation somewhere in the contract that we must send? perhaps any time they are “attacked” we must automatically send a certain amount? there may be more there than the for-profit news media is willing to tell us, thinking that we are too dumbp to undermastand so they instead just focus on emotional one-liners that generate more clicks…)
If you want to vote against Biden do it between February and June during the primarys. Primary races are the time to vote with your heart find your dream candidate and go for it. In November you have 2 choices.
Multiple choices. Dem, GOP, third party, refrain from voting, etc
Unfortunately, due to the systems we have in place, anything past the first to amounts to being a conscientious objector. Which generally just means the greater of two evils has a greater chance of succeeding.
Edited for sanity.
Unfortunately, due to the systems we have in place, anything past the first to amounts to being a conscientious objector. Which generally just means the greater of two evils has a greater chance of succeeding.
you’d be right. Except right now, this is Primary Season, not regular election season. the RNC has nothing to do with what is essentially a choice internal to the DNC as to who their best candidate is supposed to be.
it’s patently disingenuous to say that right now, a vote for any one other than Biden lets somebody whose not even up for DNC candidacy win. according to Biden himself, there are fifty other candidates who’re able to beat trump. So there’s far more than 2 choices.
Didn’t read the root comment? This distinction was already made.
Nope 2 choices “DEM vs NOT DEM” or “GOP vs NOT GOP” America has a first past the post voting system it looks like an election between candidates but it’s effectively each candidate versus the 50% threshold.
There’s not even a 50% threshold, it’s just whoever receives the most ballots cast. They might win with only 10% of eligible voters in a state, as long they have at least 1 more vote than anyone else on the ballot.
Two choices: Dem or GOP
Multiple choices. Dem, GOP, third party, refrain from voting, etc
You mean, like the primaries that dems are purposely not holding because the feckless are afraid of actual progressives?
Like, the primaries that are supposed to be going on… now?
That was the candidate’s fault in Tennessee & Florida. Better to for the world to know they are morons now instead of always wondering. Candidates like that shouldn’t be near power.
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These young voters live in different cities, work different jobs and have varying political beliefs. But among the things they have in common: They voted for Joe Biden in 2020 — and now say the president can’t count on their support in 2024.
“I genuinely could not live with myself if I voted for someone who’s made the decisions that Biden has,” said McKenzie, a 23-year-old working at Starbucks and as a union organizer in Madison, Wisconsin. “I didn’t even feel great about" voting for Biden back in 2020, he said.
Well, enjoy living under a dictator. You can enjoy your lack of freedom with a clear conscience.
Y’all’be been saying that or similar since at least ‘03.
You need new scare tactics. Or, maybe, stop ignoring over half the base. But details. Yes. Keep blaming us for everything…
And since 03 or earlier, conservatives in America have been consolidating their power to achieve what they have now. Supreme Court dominance enough to undue decades and decades of progress. But yes, pretend these people weren’t right all along. This time, you can safely vote third party , or stay home, probably nothing bad will happen.
You ever consider that perhaps people are and have been paying attention, which is why they won’t vote Left this time? ¬¬
You are correct, which is why your left wing peers will never do either, haha.
Voting isn’t supposed to make you feel good. You’re not supposed to be satisfied with your decision. It’s going to suck and continue to suck until you die.
Kids these days…
I haven’t heard any of them say “I think I’ll get what I want under trump,” so I’m not scared about the youth vote. I’m scared about the successful voter fraud.
Turnout matters, though. Biden in 2020 won more votes than any presidential candidate in history, but the second place winner was Trump in 2020. There will be similar loyalty to Trump on the right in 2024, and if Biden can’t match that, he loses. So I’m not afraid of the youth vote either, but I am afraid of the lack of it.
Trump doesn’t need people to vote for him, he just needs enough that stay home.
Voter fraud is exceptionally rare. Instead, worry about disinformation, propaganda, voter suppression, and what the GOP does this time, if it loses the presidential election.
I really think people would be happier if we set reasonable expectations for elected officials. Biden says he’s gonna eliminate student loans? Yeah, no. Maybe, if we’re very lucky and the lobbyists are feeling lazy we’ll get $20,000 for the most in debt. The rest of you are on your own. (I don’t blame Biden, the illegitimate Supreme Court did it, but there’s nothing we can do about that.)
Stopping war? Nah, the US has been at war most of its history. Neither side is gonna stop it. Too much money to be made. But at least if we vote for Biden he’ll pretend to feel bad about it, which is nicer than being a dick.
We’re not getting universal health care. We’re not getting better education. If we elect Biden next year there will still be twelve million children who are food insecure. Capitalism will continue to exploit you, and make you miserable, and then make you feel bad for being miserable.
But at the very least the government will feel badly about all the things they’re doing/can’t do. And that’s about the best I’ve learned to hope for.
The Biden admin has forgiven 132bil in student loans so far. Not the 400bil the supreme court stopped, but way, way more than any other administration ever.
The key is that they have done it in small 5bil drips and drabs. This is a double edged sword in that the news has barely covered it, so there is no push to stop it. He can keep forgiving student debt, but only if no one notices and gets the corrupt courts involved.
Exactly my point: Lower your expectations.
It’s not going to happen overnight. It probably won’t happen at all, given the structure of our government.
But he’ll make nice noises while the world burns and we all go broke and that will be a bit more pleasant.
the student loan situation he has managed to finagle is incredible compared to what was before. interest can increase original principle, payments based on income and if its not paid back in 20 years its forgiven. And health care wise the no surpise billing is huge. I mean no previous president did either of these things and honestly would not be surprised if things like this got rolled back if its not him. but whatever.
They know they dont have to fulfil any promises because liberals will keep electing them regardless what they do, or dont do. There are never any consequences to their action. Now that Fetterman has come out as full fledged right wing nut job, that D will still get him reelected.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“I genuinely could not live with myself if I voted for someone who’s made the decisions that Biden has,” said McKenzie, a 23-year-old working at Starbucks and as a union organizer in Madison, Wisconsin.
“It’s so complicated, because it almost feels like if I were to give my vote for Biden, I will be showing the Democratic Party that what they are putting out is enough, which is the bare minimum in my opinion,” said Camarena, a 24-year-old living outside the Bay Area.
Voters cited a number of policy areas that disappointed them, including insufficient moves to address climate change and Biden’s inability to fully cancel student loan debt or codify Roe v. Wade, as the president deals with a closely divided Congress.
While Biden and Democrats pushed to codify the protections of Roe at the federal level, congressional realities made legislative efforts impossible.
Biden wasn’t Kapp’s first choice as a candidate in the last election, and this year he plans to vote third party if the contest is a Biden-Trump rematch.
“I think that there is a chance” of Biden winning back her support, she said, adding that she expects the president to call for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war.
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Yawn…. This again?
Well, I hope they at least vote down ticket.
Has anyone tried lecturing them more? Kids loving hearing about how much inflation and war there was 50 years ago.
I’m majorly blaming these people when Trump wins.
NBCnews: Giddyap horsies! Yhah! Drive those clicks, horsies! Hyup!
Corporate News Refuses To Not Suck
i swear to god, if you little shits let trump win, i’m gonna start smashing 20 something teeth in every time i leave the house.
These kinds of articles are basically just “why specific groups you don’t like are the reason your life is going to shit”. Getting bent out of shape because a shocking minority of voters isn’t really worth it.
your assessment hasn’t been true since 2019. . They even have a handy chart:
meh. im closer to the sweet peace of death than they are.
