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“I beseech you to control him if you can,” [Judge] Engoron said. “If you can’t, I will. I will excuse him and draw every negative inference that I can.”
Ultra-mega-fucked.
Trump attorney Alina Habba at one point stood up and argued that the judge was there to listen to what Trump had to say. “I am not here to listen to what he has to say!” Engoron reportedly shouted, telling Trump’s counsel to sit back down. “We are here to hear him answer questions,” he added.
LMAO at a bottom tier lawyer trying to tell a judge how to do their job.
Also, Judge Engoran has 20 years of experience being a judge, and he was a practicing lawyer before that. He was a judge before Habba got her license, and he’s probably more than double her overall experience.
The fact that she didn’t even know that witness testimony means answering questions really puts a big question mark over her 13 years, anyways.
The question mark appeared when she agreed to represent Trump.
I have to say, none of that means shit if he lets the guy run all over him and do whatever he likes with no consequences. Most people can’t piss a judge off that much without spending time in jail.
Watch the proceedings of that “sovereign citizen” idiot Darrell Brooks who drove a car into a Christmas parade in Wisconsin. That guy never heard the phrase “just shut the fuck up”. It’s so maddening to watch that insolent manchild, I couldn’t make it past two minutes of footage.
I feel like I have to clarify that I’m not American before making comments so there’s enough wiggle room for potential ignorance.
I think it probably is a tactic he is using so that when it’s time for consequences, there’s plenty of leeway given to trump to show that he wasn’t acting biased, it’s just that trump is a fucking moron that can’t shut up, when the lunatics decide to shout about it.
That’s possible. People literally get years added to their sentences for back talking judges. You are simply not allowed to derail a trial even a little bit, and the consequences for attempting it are swift and harsh. For anyone else.
I’m so tired of this fuckwit’s behavior, but i’m even more angry that at every turn people have had the ability to stop that behavior and haven’t. And now we’re here. Anyone else would be immediately taken to jail for the stuff he’s doing inside the courtroom and out and he’s still not stopped.
It’s a mockery, and if the courts can’t handle this guy they have no business ruining people’s lives for things that don’t compare to anything trump has done.
if the courts can’t handle this guy they have no business ruining people’s lives for things that don’t compare to anything trump has done.
I’ve been looking for the right words to say this, so thanks.
The justice system has failed if it’s able systematically arrest people in parts of new York, Baltimore, and Chicago, but can’t do anything to this clown for a literal attempt to overthrow the government and constitution.
Wild.
Otherwise known as the Chewbacca
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The fact that she didn’t even know that witness testimony means answering questions really puts a big question mark over her 13 years, anyways.
I know that and my legal expertise is just what I’ve picked up over the course of my life. No law degree or anything. The fact that I might be more qualified to be a lawyer than Habba is bad news for Trump. (For the record, you do NOT want me representing you in court. Get a real lawyer, not some guy whose best qualification is “knows more than a Trump lawyer.”)
Trumpsplaining the judge
One of the most important rules when doing anything in a courtroom: don’t piss off the judge.
Trump: “So what I’m hearing is that I should yell at the judge and insult him from the stand. Got it.”
(Yes, he did just that.)
She was also complaining, after court, that the judge was telling her what to do and she doesn’t stand for that in her life.
Um, you do when you’re in the court. If the judge tells you to shut up, you shut up. You can be offended that the judge told you to shut up, but you’d better not argue with the judge and tell them that you have a right to say whatever you want to say in their court. Not unless you want to spend a night in a jail cell.
And this is exactly how they will fuel their appeal. He will say the judge was unwilling to listen to his testimony, and use that quote as evidence.
That appeal would be quickly denied. The Judge is absolutely right: They “are here to hear him answer questions”, not “to listen to what he has to say.” The Judge has a responsibility to keep testimony responsive to the questions asked and relevant to the case, not to let witnesses give monologues about whatever nonsense is running through their heads at the moment.
At one point, while he was being questioned on a 2021 financial statement, Trump claimed to have been too busy focusing on “China, Russia and keeping our country safe.” The state’s attorney reminded him that he was not president in 2021.
lmao.
It’s like a middle schooler trying to make up an alibi for why they didn’t do their homework.
Antifa ate my homework ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He really is Cartman. Just slightly less intelligent lol.
Slightly!? Cartman’s a POS for sure and his “business dealings” do tend to fail spectacularly a la DikinBaus, but he at least has some record of actually thinking through his schemes instead of entirely relying on nepotism and throwing around conspiracy theories. Trumps not out here tricking Hunter Biden into eating a chili made out of his father.
I liked how Trump claimed that Letitia James wouldn’t know anything about 40 Wall Street. She had to suppress a chuckle. Her office is under 3 blocks away from it. Here’s a Google Map of the two.
The problem is that this is a strategy, and it might work. The judge is showing signs of exasperation. The defense is laying the grounds for an appeal based on judicial bias. Viewed in that light, each time the judge interjects out of annoyance or exasperation is citable evidence. It’s funny, but it is also rather dangerous.
The judge needs to calmly and patiently explain to Trump that he will be jailed for contempt if he doesn’t follow the rules and act in good faith, and then dispassionately follow through with that consequence.
Trump needs to see the inside of a holding cell for a while in order to act right.
As much as I’d love to see it, jailing him for contempt would play right into their plan. He wouldn’t see 24hr of cell time before his fanatic base would be whipped into violence, painted as political persecution of the GOP (defacto) nominee
It’s all paper thin excuses to anyone with critical thinking, but we know it’d be a successful ploy.
They already do violence who cares. Every mass shooting is almost always a Trump supporter.
Fuck em. They already sent their best on Jan 6. I’m not impressed. The National Guard can steamroll them and the cops if the cops turn traitor.
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It doesn’t even need to be 24 hours. I suspect giving him even a 1-hour time-out would be plenty.
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I couldn’t care less what The Base thinks of it.
I couldn’t care less what The Base thinks of it.
That’s a luxury only afforded to spectators.
Better be really afraid of them and be extra nice then. They will hate that and your party will win.
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It’s not terrible for the crazies to show us where they be.
Let them do their violence, it’ll end like Ft. Sumpter the first time around.
The thing is, no one is showing up for his side to protest. They didn’t in Miami either.
I don’t think it’s a strategy, it’s just a happy potential by-product, albeit an unlikely one.
Sure it’s possible that a judge might make mistakes that may form the basis for a successful appeal. Is Engoron more likely to make mistakes because of Trump’s antics? Not necessarily. Most people do their best work under pressure.
Trump’s behavior is focused as always on his supporters. The more he appears to be persecuted the more his supporters will throw money at him - it’s that simple. He’s intentionally pushing the judge as far as he can without crossing the line into actual consequences.
Edit: as an aside the photos of these idiots always makes me think about how much time they’ve spent practicing their facial expressions in a mirror.
I’ll add to that that wasting a judge’s time through non-compliance is a fast track to default judgment. Just ask Alex Jones how that goes.
The right to a speedy trial is a right for the prosecutors, too.
Not just wasting the judge’s time, but yelling at and insulting the judge on the stand. I’m no lawyer, but I doubt this is a legal strategy that any reputable legal professional would recommend.
Already got the equivalent of a default judgement - he’s already ruled on the law.
Right, but not for the punitive damages part.
“You are the most guilty, uncooperative, unapologetic criminal I’ve ever dealt with” — Judge
Slap on wrist — also, Judge
I’ll believe otherwise when I see it.
This judge already ruled that the Trump enterprise in NY is dead and for all business licenses to be pulled. That has been stayed pending appeal. They will not win the appeal.
This trial is purely for damages to see just how much of Trump’s assets will have to be liquidated once Judge Engoron determines an amount based on this ridiculous “testimony.”
Hint: it’s going to be a metric fuckload
This trial, for the defence, is an effort to pull a much shit as they can to aim for a mistrial and years worth of appeals.
“Judicial bias” is going to be thrown around a lot during appeals, and these same quotes from Engoron will be used as evidence. This is all a play, and it could work in the long-term.
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At one point he indicated that he had sometimes felt the values assigned to his properties were off, but stated that the discrepancies were both “high and low.”
“Your honor, I’d like to take this opportunity to defend myself by confirming the facts of the case and also that I didn’t listen when you told me what I’m accused of!” - The former POTUS
Sure I’ve punched people, but sometimes I hurt myself so that means I’m innocent of the times I hurt others.
It’s even worse than that: apart from the overvaluing for insurance and other purposes that everyone’s focusing on, he’s also been undervaluing the very same properties to evade taxes, further undercutting both the "honest mistake " and “had no idea” defenses.
Fucking astounds me how this grifter is pulling numbers…everyone for him is just doing it for spite now…
You underestimate the electoral power of making rural white folks feel like they can say the N-word without being looked down on as racist trash
These are the rat fuckers who think the president will make their families come back for thanksgiving again even though they have done no work to address that they all left because they tried to force some poor young girl onto cousin Maury with his husband right fucking there.
I’ve definitely seen a lot of backfire effect going on. If you voted for Trump because, for example, you thought that a political outsider would fix everything and you ignored all the bad shit in hopes that it would work out, then it’s hard now to admit that you were wrong. Admitting that Trump sucks is also, for those people, admitting that they were foolish to ever believe in him, which is a difficult and intolerable admission. Better to just ignore evidence and move forward blindly in support.
At least, I’ve seen a lot of that in my mostly purple area where the divide is only getting worse and stronger.
This free book from 1951 about mass movements explains what is going on. They feel their lives are spoiled and maga gives them hope. Logic doesn’t matter.
The True Believer - Eric Hoffer https://www.academia.edu/21464682/The_True_Believer_Eric_Hoffer
I’m sure that will go over great.
lock 'im up already…
Us mere mortals would already be in the slammer for half the stuff he’s done.
We’d have been tackled by the bailiff at least once.
1%
There was an article yesterday saying that both Trump and his lawyers are specifically trying to piss off the judge, at which point they’ll use it as a point in their appeal. Oh, and his current lawyers have told him that even if the judge does try to their him in jail for contempt, they have strategies to ensure that he doesn’t actually have to spend any time there. :/
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Donald Trump was rebuked by Judge Arthur Engoron for giving “speeches” during his testimony on Monday before New York court in a civil fraud trial that will determine the future of his business empire.
“Some of your answers have not been in response to the question,” Engoron told Trump earlier in his testimony, adding that prosecuting attorney Kevin Wallace had been “very patient.”
“Getting ready to head to the Downtown Lower Manhattan Courthouse to testify in one of the many cases that were instigated and brought by my POLITICAL OPPONENT, Crooked Joe Biden, through agencies and surrogates, for purposes of ELECTION INTERFERENCE,” Trump wrote.
“Got a really Biased, Nasty, Club controlled, but often overturned, Judge, a Racist, Evil, and Corrupt Attorney General,” he added.” A dark day for our Country.
The former president has already been fined twice, and threatened with jail time, for violating a gag order put in place by Engoron after he attacked one of the judge’s clerks on social media.
On Friday, Engoron expanded the order, which barred the former president from publicly commenting on members of the court’s staff, to include similar restrictions on the statements of Trump’s attorneys.
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the american justice system right now:
It’ll be the first time he’s ever finished a full sentence without rambling about fly paper or injecting disinfectant.
