• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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    They’re not doing their supporters any favours with these sort of comments lol

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      It’s easy to support Palestinian statehood. Anyone that supports Hamas is a moron.

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        Considering Hamas is the organization governing Gaza right now, the two are often intertwined in these discussions

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            Under any solution (one or two state), Hamas will be the ones in power and representing the Palestinian block. Doesn’t matter if they do a good job of it or not.

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                They are the de facto (and kind of de jure…) government of Gaza. Hell, they run the Health Ministry that provides a lot of the updates.

                If this somehow ends with anything short of further subjugation and/or eradication, they will be “heroes”. And they aren’t going to lessen their hold on the Palestinian people.

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                  They were also very unpopular before Oct 7 and I doubt they’ve gotten any more popular since then.

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                    Popularity doesn’t really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza.

                    And “popularity” will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions… by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens?

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          It seems to me that Hamas “governs” Palestine the same way groups like the Mafia or Yakuza “govern” the people they extort.

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      They shouldn’t have any fucking supporters. This is the shit all the anti-Israel people are supporting. I’m no fan of Netanyahu but wtf do they expect Israel to do? It’s like everyone forgot what prompted this and thinks Israel just woke up one morning and decided to raze everything because they were bored.

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        I’m no fan of Netanyahu but wtf do they expect Israel to do?

        I expect them not to commit war crimes at a bare minimum.

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        You just gotta take that line of thought one step further. I believe in you.

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        being both anti-israel and anti-hamas at the same time is the only correct position i don’t understand why this isn’t obvious

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          Because Hamas is the only resistance Palestinians have against the colonizer.

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            it isn’t, actually. they have a government with a prime minister and a president which oppose hamas and which netanyahu wants nobody to pay attention to because they are the legitimate path to statehood

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              Well then Netanyahu is doing a great job because I heard that Hamas was elected by the palestinians and I never heard about another Palestinian government.

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                it was elected a long time ago and since then they have fallen out of favor and there was never an election again

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        Well, that not totally incorrect. The settlers starting moving in (before the nation was a thing) and started killing and displacing the existing inhabitants. It’s been bad from the start, though they have had periods that are better than others. People excuse Israel for what Hamas has done, but rarely do those same people forgive Hamas for what the Jewish settlers have done.

        Personally, I don’t make a judgment on Hamas. They are a much weaker force against a much stronger force. If they fight a conventional war then they don’t stand a chance. Gorilla warfare/terrorism is the only viable option for them. Israel uses terrorism every day, but it’s only bad when Hamas does it?

        I do judge Israel. They are a strong force, and more importantly are getting support from many other powerful nations. Until my country (the US) stops sending support, I will criticize their actions. I do not condone my money going towards what they do.

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        What prompted this? You mean the decades of occupation? Or are you suggesting history only began with the Hamas attack?

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        Which supporters?

        People supporting the Palestinian side in this conflict

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          Don’t confuse support for Palestinians as support for Hamas.

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              It’s deliberate. If you don’t support Israel’s apartheid of Palestine, you are apparently antisemitic and want Israel destroyed.

              Hamas is not helping things. They are bunch of murderous religious nutters. They do want Israel gone. Just like how Israel’s nutters want Palestine gone.

              But Hamas are not Palestine anymore than Israel is its religious nutters.

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          I support the innocent Palestinian people who are being slaughtered. Does that mean I support Hamas? Because I think Hamas is an Iranian puppet that wants a Palestinian caliphate run under Sharia law. I don’t think they help the Palestinian people either. So am I a Hamas supporter? By your definition, apparently.

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            I’m not sure what you think my definition was, can you expand on that part?

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          The only issue I see are the dumbasses that cant tell the difference, supporting Palestinians doesn’t mean support for Hamas. But if you don’t think they need some sort of military support in one way or another you don’t need to be making comments about it and need to instead go back and read a little history about the Israelie Occupation and Crimes Against Humanity thats taken place. Hell you wouldn’t even have to go back in time very far but a year maybe less, but I suggest to get the full picture and decent understanding to allow yourself to come and discuss world topics with other adults that you start from the beginning.

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            The only issue I see are the dumbasses that cant tell the difference, supporting Palestinians doesn’t mean support for Hamas.

            There’s a lot of dumbasses out there, which is sorta the issue.

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      Not to condone their actions, but what would Hamas care about getting supporters? Palestine situation hasn’t been helped much at all by international supporters, so it’s not like they care about that.

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        The two are linked together. When aid has been sent to Palestine, to help Palestinians, Hamas has taken it for themselves. There was an EU project I believe to build water infrastructure, and Hamas took it apart to make into rockets.

        I don’t think it’s possible to provide material support to the Palestinians. Hamas just takes it all. It’s so fucked.

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        Palestine is dependent on foreign aid to continue its war fighting. Specifically aid from western nations. They need supporters to feed, fuel and supply it’s military and populace.

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        Might make people less happy to support pummeling them if they weren’t acting like such villains

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        Not to condone their actions, but what would Hamas care about getting supporters?

        For one, all the Hamas supporters are asking the US to tell Israel to stop attacking them.