I’m an atheist, and although I detest organized religions, I don’t think this is religion. This is about control and power, fascism. Religion is a tool and a red herring.
While I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, religion is being used as a weapon the same way racism is used. Take groups who already don’t align because of prejudice, and light the fire. So while the people pulling strings may have a more sinister agenda, the people who are actually involved on the ground are seriously doing this because of religion, racism, and a long long history of taking an eye for an eye.
This happens all over the world for various reasons. “Don’t let the baddies get in! Those people stole your land! Vote for me! Buy my product! Worship this god! Freedom!”
There were many factors that contributed to the success of Zionism and the international support enjoyed by the newly formed Zionist state. The Holocaust, and in particular Western guilt, Islamophobia, capitalist and industrialist interests, and American support, all played their role. But these were factors that sustained and protected the project rather than facilitating its very inception. The alliance between Evangelical Christians, on both sides of the Atlantic, the British ruling classes (and in particular the Anglo Jewish leadership and aristocracy) was there to enable the inception of the Zionization of Palestine.
Bingo. Israel legit only exists because in Christianity the end days cannot come if Israel does not exist, so allied powers said fuck it let’s give it a little shove and both create Israel and give it to Jews.
Palestinians have multiple religions (around five if you count Samaritans and the polytheistic Arab traditions still followed in the Arabian Desert in southern Palestine). The European Jews even hurt Palestinian Jews until they started identifying as Israelis. They even stole children from the Middle Eastern Jews saying they can breed more later.
To still say this is a matter of religion is absolutely crazy when you consider facts. This is only considered religious by European populations as 1500 years of Christianity led them to believe all Jews come from a single race but don’t do this for other religions.
It can be both bud. Saying it’s not religious when it’s quite literally drawn by ethnoreligious lines it’s just objectively wrong.
Sure there’s a heirarchy but that doesn’t negate the fact that 98% of conflict in the middle East comes from religion and the other 2% is like petrodollar fueds.
Similarly you can in fact be racially Jewish in as well as religiously Jewish, or both.
Exactly, “ethnic” Jews ( who can be of any religions or atheists) are part of this situation . It’s not like Christian Palestinians have not faced hardships. People here are quick to say Israeli Muslims have rights as citizens, so this is not about Jews vs Muslims but Israelis (regardless of religiousness) vs Palestinians.
The biggest **religious **claim here is that all Jews descend from a Levantine tribe thousands of years ago.
it was sarcasm. these wars are about power and territory, first. The religion aspect makes it easier to rile people up, but afaik before the settlers arrived the entire area was religiously diverse. I’d even argue racism is a larger factor here than the religious aspect.
Pretty crazy what religion will do.
I’m an atheist, and although I detest organized religions, I don’t think this is religion. This is about control and power, fascism. Religion is a tool and a red herring.
While I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, religion is being used as a weapon the same way racism is used. Take groups who already don’t align because of prejudice, and light the fire. So while the people pulling strings may have a more sinister agenda, the people who are actually involved on the ground are seriously doing this because of religion, racism, and a long long history of taking an eye for an eye.
This happens all over the world for various reasons. “Don’t let the baddies get in! Those people stole your land! Vote for me! Buy my product! Worship this god! Freedom!”
This is true. Most religions avow peace. The followers seem to not acknowledge that.
I’m sorry, what? Nah son
I’d say it’s both.
In this case no, religion is the cause. Pretty much anywhere else you would be correct.
Seems I am incorrect, according to Ilan Pappe,
Bingo. Israel legit only exists because in Christianity the end days cannot come if Israel does not exist, so allied powers said fuck it let’s give it a little shove and both create Israel and give it to Jews.
Palestinians have multiple religions (around five if you count Samaritans and the polytheistic Arab traditions still followed in the Arabian Desert in southern Palestine). The European Jews even hurt Palestinian Jews until they started identifying as Israelis. They even stole children from the Middle Eastern Jews saying they can breed more later.
To still say this is a matter of religion is absolutely crazy when you consider facts. This is only considered religious by European populations as 1500 years of Christianity led them to believe all Jews come from a single race but don’t do this for other religions.
It can be both bud. Saying it’s not religious when it’s quite literally drawn by ethnoreligious lines it’s just objectively wrong.
Sure there’s a heirarchy but that doesn’t negate the fact that 98% of conflict in the middle East comes from religion and the other 2% is like petrodollar fueds.
Similarly you can in fact be racially Jewish in as well as religiously Jewish, or both.
Exactly, “ethnic” Jews ( who can be of any religions or atheists) are part of this situation . It’s not like Christian Palestinians have not faced hardships. People here are quick to say Israeli Muslims have rights as citizens, so this is not about Jews vs Muslims but Israelis (regardless of religiousness) vs Palestinians.
The biggest **religious **claim here is that all Jews descend from a Levantine tribe thousands of years ago.
yeah look what religion did in the ukraine russia war.
Not a thing, because not all wars are fueled by religion. Some are.
it was sarcasm. these wars are about power and territory, first. The religion aspect makes it easier to rile people up, but afaik before the settlers arrived the entire area was religiously diverse. I’d even argue racism is a larger factor here than the religious aspect.
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