Their actions did. Supply and demand and what happen if you suddenly refuse to buy from your major supplier without alternative ready to fill the difference? That’s pretty obvious to anyone so if they did it, that’s their responsibility.
They did for months. Russia was blocked from the SWIFT system which was used for the international transactions, mostly in euro and dollars. So Russia could literally not sell anything because it would not get paid. So they wanted to get paid in rubles and even set up exchange accounts in Russia in order to do so. Several EU countries did it, like Hungary, Bulgaria and Italy. Only after months of naked hostility and economic warfare Russia refused to trade, small wonder considering EU is openly declaring itself enemy to Russia.
The SWIFT ban was specifically designed to not block any gas, oil or coal related trades between Russia and Europe, so that these can continue as the EU was very much aware that this kind of sanctions results into no benefit for them.
At the same time western banks frozen all russian assets. That’s declaration of the total economic warfare, so those clauses were not serious. Not to mention so many different sanctions to confuse even hardened clerk from Brussels.
Well, that’s what you get if you de facto invade a country that’s friends with major parts of the EU. Kreml should be glad that it’s only soft power being used against Russia as of today.
Completely ignoring NATO encroachment and coup attempts at it’s allies. You imperialists shills scream about “national intertests” and “enemy at the gates” but never allow any other countries to act on theirs.
Kreml should be glad that it’s only soft power being used against Russia as of today.
Nice warmongering, you’re itching at the very prospect of nuclear war.
friends
You mean “puppet”. Unless you’re at this level of hawking where you cannon foddering your friends.
You mistake what I say as endorsement where it is largely just a description.
Nice warmongering
In my book, war should be the very, very last resort. You may call me an imperialistic war mongering shill all that you want, but just know that I was already out on the streets back in 2003, protesting, when the US was about to invade Iraq. Major countries of the EU openly opposed that war, btw., enraging the US so much that the “freedom fries” issue came to place - remember?
Today, I very much support Ukraine’s right to self-defence, and I also believe it was right to throw down Nazi Germany in the 20th century (without implying that Putin and Hitler are alike). And it wasn’t Ukraine who fired the first shots, too.
Be my guest to speak your mind, yet I fail to see how you come to say this.
You […] scream about “national intertests” […] but never allow any other countries to act on theirs.
You can’t justify wrongdoings of A with wrongdoings of B.
You mean “puppet”.
Countries are not people, and the EU and Ukraine are very different in regards to their power. That’s just as close as you can come to friendship on that level.
… you cannon foddering your friends
You seem concerned about a global escalation of the war. What do you think would happen if NATO & EU led their own citizens to the battlefield? Then Russia would be at war with said institutions. What is it that you want now?
All in all, “economic warfare” looks like the most appropriate way of action for supporters of Ukraine, while I can understand that they wish for more.
you’re itching at the very prospect of nuclear war.
If we’re to blink every time people mention their nuclear arsenal, countries with such weapons could do whatever they want. Ymmv, but that’s not a world I want to live in.
Also, I wouldn’t call myself an experienced poker player, but even I have learned that when someone has to say that something is not a bluff, it most certainly is.
EU started an economic war with Russia and then was surprised when Russia retaliated. Why would Russia sell energy to EU when EU is openly hostile to Russia?
Russia started the war on Ukraine and was surprised that Ukraine (and it’s allies) retaliated. Why would the Ukraine stop fighting Russia if Russia is obviously invading the Ukraine?
I’m not sure where you got this notion that Russia was surprised by anything here. If anything, it’s pretty clear that Russia was well prepared for the war unlike the west. Ukraine should stop fighting because the longer the war goes on the more of their country becomes destroyed, and eventually there may not be an Ukraine left. Ukraine cannot win this war.
In fact, Ukraine was going to negotiate peace with Russia back in April at which point it would’ve kept all of its territory. That’s when Bojo intervened to convince Ukraine to walk away from the deal. Now, Ukraine has lost four regions, and will keep losing territory.
Ukraine should stop fighting because the longer the war goes on the more of their country becomes destroyed, and eventually there may not be an Ukraine left.
Stop fighting will definitely result into no Ukraine being left. I don’t think this is a viable alternative.
Ukraine cannot win this war.
Well the future is not looking bright for Ukraine but I’ll hope there will be peace sooner than later. It’ll probably end up in a frozen war. But you can not expect the Ukraine to not defend it’s county just because the chance are higher that it looses. Still no justification of the Russian aggression.
Now, Ukraine has lost four regions, and will keep losing territory.
Let’s see. Current events suggests otherwise. But no one knows for sure.
Oh did the EU leaders raise the gas price?
EU leaders started the economic war that resulted in gas prices going up.
No.
Literally yes.
Factually no.
Factually yes. Russia stopped selling energy to EU in response to the economic war EU started.
No.
Literally yes.
Factually no.
Ok there baby Goebbels.
Okay?
Their actions did. Supply and demand and what happen if you suddenly refuse to buy from your major supplier without alternative ready to fill the difference? That’s pretty obvious to anyone so if they did it, that’s their responsibility.
Europe did not refuse to buy gas from Russia. Russia just stopped selling gas to Europe.
They did for months. Russia was blocked from the SWIFT system which was used for the international transactions, mostly in euro and dollars. So Russia could literally not sell anything because it would not get paid. So they wanted to get paid in rubles and even set up exchange accounts in Russia in order to do so. Several EU countries did it, like Hungary, Bulgaria and Italy. Only after months of naked hostility and economic warfare Russia refused to trade, small wonder considering EU is openly declaring itself enemy to Russia.
The SWIFT ban was specifically designed to not block any gas, oil or coal related trades between Russia and Europe, so that these can continue as the EU was very much aware that this kind of sanctions results into no benefit for them.
At the same time western banks frozen all russian assets. That’s declaration of the total economic warfare, so those clauses were not serious. Not to mention so many different sanctions to confuse even hardened clerk from Brussels.
Well, that’s what you get if you de facto invade a country that’s friends with major parts of the EU. Kreml should be glad that it’s only soft power being used against Russia as of today.
Completely ignoring NATO encroachment and coup attempts at it’s allies. You imperialists shills scream about “national intertests” and “enemy at the gates” but never allow any other countries to act on theirs.
Nice warmongering, you’re itching at the very prospect of nuclear war.
You mean “puppet”. Unless you’re at this level of hawking where you cannon foddering your friends.
You mistake what I say as endorsement where it is largely just a description.
In my book, war should be the very, very last resort. You may call me an imperialistic war mongering shill all that you want, but just know that I was already out on the streets back in 2003, protesting, when the US was about to invade Iraq. Major countries of the EU openly opposed that war, btw., enraging the US so much that the “freedom fries” issue came to place - remember?
Today, I very much support Ukraine’s right to self-defence, and I also believe it was right to throw down Nazi Germany in the 20th century (without implying that Putin and Hitler are alike). And it wasn’t Ukraine who fired the first shots, too.
Be my guest to speak your mind, yet I fail to see how you come to say this.
You can’t justify wrongdoings of A with wrongdoings of B.
Countries are not people, and the EU and Ukraine are very different in regards to their power. That’s just as close as you can come to friendship on that level.
You seem concerned about a global escalation of the war. What do you think would happen if NATO & EU led their own citizens to the battlefield? Then Russia would be at war with said institutions. What is it that you want now?
All in all, “economic warfare” looks like the most appropriate way of action for supporters of Ukraine, while I can understand that they wish for more.
If we’re to blink every time people mention their nuclear arsenal, countries with such weapons could do whatever they want. Ymmv, but that’s not a world I want to live in.
Also, I wouldn’t call myself an experienced poker player, but even I have learned that when someone has to say that something is not a bluff, it most certainly is.
EU started an economic war with Russia and then was surprised when Russia retaliated. Why would Russia sell energy to EU when EU is openly hostile to Russia?
Russia started the war on Ukraine and was surprised that Ukraine (and it’s allies) retaliated. Why would the Ukraine stop fighting Russia if Russia is obviously invading the Ukraine?
I’m not sure where you got this notion that Russia was surprised by anything here. If anything, it’s pretty clear that Russia was well prepared for the war unlike the west. Ukraine should stop fighting because the longer the war goes on the more of their country becomes destroyed, and eventually there may not be an Ukraine left. Ukraine cannot win this war.
In fact, Ukraine was going to negotiate peace with Russia back in April at which point it would’ve kept all of its territory. That’s when Bojo intervened to convince Ukraine to walk away from the deal. Now, Ukraine has lost four regions, and will keep losing territory.
Stop fighting will definitely result into no Ukraine being left. I don’t think this is a viable alternative.
Well the future is not looking bright for Ukraine but I’ll hope there will be peace sooner than later. It’ll probably end up in a frozen war. But you can not expect the Ukraine to not defend it’s county just because the chance are higher that it looses. Still no justification of the Russian aggression.
Let’s see. Current events suggests otherwise. But no one knows for sure.