It’s not “western approved” any more than “Hamas” equals “the entire Gaza population” or “Bibi’s nutcases” equals “Israelis”. But my government doesn’t give a shit about my opinion om the matter, unfortunately. And there are apparently precious few politicians who are avle and willing to recognise the atrocities of both sides.
I do think the Israeli govt. is haemorrhaging support right now. It has cultivated generations who are not ok with the crazy funding it receives from the global west. The Israeli govt. setup of huge aid receipts is on a timer.
The statement was focused on the idea that what a government does is not inherently supported or approved by its citizens in all cases. Often the citizens have no control over the actions a govt takes especially with aid or combat.
Just because Biden and his admin are approving aid doesn’t mean the West and it’s inhabitants approve.
are you delusional? the tap has been on for decades what makes you think it will be turned off soon? they’re only going to increase funding to israel
and god forbid the war escalates to lebanon and beyond, the amount of money will dwarf the ukrainian war
it’s the ukrainian tap that’s about to get turned off. israel is new priority, ukraine about to get tossed to the side. russia already making gains this week
I fully agree re. Russia and Ukraine, bad times ahead for Ukraine. Patience was wearing thin and aid to Israel is a pretty watertight excuse for shrugging off Ukraine right now.
I’m not delusional though, and you don’t need to jump to such ad hominem attacks with someone arguing with you politely and in good faith.
I stand by my comments about US and other funding for Israel being on the timer, but perhaps “soon” is ungrounded. I can point to a groundswell in anger and revulsion among younger generations (who already bridled at their arguments against Israeli state support being dismissed as anti-semitic) as the Israeli state is showing how exactly they will employ all the weapons and armaments sent their way for so long.
Hamas has few friends in the west, and is not set to make many at the moment, but the plight of the people in Gaza, both historical and current, is getting passed around in gory gifs right now. Hearts and minds will, at some point, translate to votes, which will manifest in policy change.
Of course, by the time it does, Bibi+cronies will probably have exiled/killed the entire civilian and armed population of Gaza, so the point may well be moot, I fear
i apologize for the delusional comment. it just seemed to me like a crazy thing to say, but you’re right there’s no need for that type of attitude
i understand where you’re coming from. many videos have already been shared of palestinian civilians getting blown up for no good reason other than being inconvenient for israel
however, i think it is a bit naive to believe this will change anything. believe me, i don’t say this to try and insult you. i think if majority of people thought like you did we probably wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with. but the world runs on a simple philosophy - might makes right.
israel has been abusing these people for nearly half a century. they’ve been killing and bombing them with impunity and the US and friends have been sending billions of dollars to Israel in order to help this process. they will not stop until the ethnic cleansing is complete and the US will support them all of the way there.
just look at the response in europe right now. both germany and france have banned pro-palestinian protests. fairly soon i expect to see social media start to become censored. reddit already started removing certain videos
No reason to shut off aid to Ukraine. We can operate in multiple theaters at once. That’s the point of outspending the next 12 countries on our military. If anything, this makes it easier as the Dems will bundle Israeli and Ukrainian aid, and the Republicans just flipped back to hawks.
there’s only so much industrial capacity we have available. bullets and bombs don’t just materialize out of thin air, no matter how much money you throw at it. triage will be performed and ukraine is not a priority any longer. israel is key to american strategy in the middle east. ukraine is an afterthought, only supported because it was a cheap way to harm russia.
Hamas doesn’t equal the entire Gaza population the majority is younger than 14
This conflict has been going on for decades. Palestinians have been pushed out of their land for decades. Many were able to immigrate elsewhere, but by separating the population from each other and it’s original land, this can slowly erase their ethnicity.
And America has given them hundreds of billions of dollars over the last few decades to keep doing this.
Making a guess here… Hamas has been democratically elected since… 2006?.. assume cognitive memory and tribal biases really start becoming rigid around 7 years old… anyone under 24 has only known the message of hamas’ government and lived under the gaslighting. I’d assume the youth are pretty onboard, no?
Hamas was democratically elected once with 45% of the vote, then stopped holding elections.
A lot of olive trees grow in Palestine. The symbol of peace originated from the culture of Palestinians. Meanwhile, Israelis burn olive farmers’ trees in land they continue to steal today (but we don’t call it stealing, we call it “settling”)
So, given that a majority of Palestinians didn’t vote for Hamas, and the origins of the culture are rooted in peace anyways, I don’t think it’s fair to suggest most of those minors are on board with Hamas. Not to suggest many aren’t radicalized, but I’m honestly surprised more than 45% wouldn’t vote for Hamas considering how many generations of people are living in an open air prison.
Israel is shutting off all power, food, medicine, water, and bombing a city about the population of Los Angeles, but 4x denser, and mostly minors. This operation will take months if not years. This is an insane war crime at a scale we haven’t seen since world war 2
Okay. That was a generation ago. My point was that it’s all the people have known. If you’re saying they’ve only consolidated power since, you’re validating my point.
And none of the other responses have to do with my comment.
Also fwiw it’s neither Palestinian nor Greek. It’s from the story of Noah. The bird brought back an olive branch having found land, and it became the symbol of the end of the conflict, peace.
A lot of olive trees grow in Palestine. The symbol of peace originated from the culture of Palestinians.
Owch, now that’s bullshit. First, when this particular symbol came into use, there was no such thing as Palestinians, the whole area was Jewish, Phoenician etc. Second, it’s Greek.
I’ve said many times what I think of Israelis, but that’s genocidal (as in whitewashing) rhetoric right here.
From our government. Not our people. Most people can tell both sides to grow the fuck up and stop acting like 4 year olds in a pissing contest that costs people lives. I hate that our government making decisions makes all of us ok with it. We aren’t.
The opposite in fact. The diaspora has been very angry with Bibi for years and that’s led to external pressure that’s caused him problems at home, even though he’s been able to withstand.
He just had his George Bush 9/11 moment, the country and the Diaspora are fully supportive of Israel right now.
The promise of safety has been shattered. However much I hate Bibi and believe he needs to be in jail, he full well understands what needs to happen to restore the feeling of safety to the people who are feeling very violated right now. It’s going to be ferocious.
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It’s not “western approved” any more than “Hamas” equals “the entire Gaza population” or “Bibi’s nutcases” equals “Israelis”. But my government doesn’t give a shit about my opinion om the matter, unfortunately. And there are apparently precious few politicians who are avle and willing to recognise the atrocities of both sides.
I do think the Israeli govt. is haemorrhaging support right now. It has cultivated generations who are not ok with the crazy funding it receives from the global west. The Israeli govt. setup of huge aid receipts is on a timer.
Biden just announced another funding for Israel
Everything comes down to Florida. Always does.
The statement was focused on the idea that what a government does is not inherently supported or approved by its citizens in all cases. Often the citizens have no control over the actions a govt takes especially with aid or combat.
Just because Biden and his admin are approving aid doesn’t mean the West and it’s inhabitants approve.
Wilford Brimley?
The israeli state had better make the most of it while they can. I’m sure they will. The tap will be turned off soon.
are you delusional? the tap has been on for decades what makes you think it will be turned off soon? they’re only going to increase funding to israel
and god forbid the war escalates to lebanon and beyond, the amount of money will dwarf the ukrainian war
it’s the ukrainian tap that’s about to get turned off. israel is new priority, ukraine about to get tossed to the side. russia already making gains this week
I fully agree re. Russia and Ukraine, bad times ahead for Ukraine. Patience was wearing thin and aid to Israel is a pretty watertight excuse for shrugging off Ukraine right now.
I’m not delusional though, and you don’t need to jump to such ad hominem attacks with someone arguing with you politely and in good faith.
I stand by my comments about US and other funding for Israel being on the timer, but perhaps “soon” is ungrounded. I can point to a groundswell in anger and revulsion among younger generations (who already bridled at their arguments against Israeli state support being dismissed as anti-semitic) as the Israeli state is showing how exactly they will employ all the weapons and armaments sent their way for so long.
Hamas has few friends in the west, and is not set to make many at the moment, but the plight of the people in Gaza, both historical and current, is getting passed around in gory gifs right now. Hearts and minds will, at some point, translate to votes, which will manifest in policy change.
Of course, by the time it does, Bibi+cronies will probably have exiled/killed the entire civilian and armed population of Gaza, so the point may well be moot, I fear
i apologize for the delusional comment. it just seemed to me like a crazy thing to say, but you’re right there’s no need for that type of attitude
i understand where you’re coming from. many videos have already been shared of palestinian civilians getting blown up for no good reason other than being inconvenient for israel
however, i think it is a bit naive to believe this will change anything. believe me, i don’t say this to try and insult you. i think if majority of people thought like you did we probably wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with. but the world runs on a simple philosophy - might makes right.
israel has been abusing these people for nearly half a century. they’ve been killing and bombing them with impunity and the US and friends have been sending billions of dollars to Israel in order to help this process. they will not stop until the ethnic cleansing is complete and the US will support them all of the way there.
just look at the response in europe right now. both germany and france have banned pro-palestinian protests. fairly soon i expect to see social media start to become censored. reddit already started removing certain videos
No reason to shut off aid to Ukraine. We can operate in multiple theaters at once. That’s the point of outspending the next 12 countries on our military. If anything, this makes it easier as the Dems will bundle Israeli and Ukrainian aid, and the Republicans just flipped back to hawks.
there’s only so much industrial capacity we have available. bullets and bombs don’t just materialize out of thin air, no matter how much money you throw at it. triage will be performed and ukraine is not a priority any longer. israel is key to american strategy in the middle east. ukraine is an afterthought, only supported because it was a cheap way to harm russia.
Hamas doesn’t equal the entire Gaza population the majority is younger than 14
This conflict has been going on for decades. Palestinians have been pushed out of their land for decades. Many were able to immigrate elsewhere, but by separating the population from each other and it’s original land, this can slowly erase their ethnicity.
And America has given them hundreds of billions of dollars over the last few decades to keep doing this.
I’d say that’s Western approved ethnic cleansing
Making a guess here… Hamas has been democratically elected since… 2006?.. assume cognitive memory and tribal biases really start becoming rigid around 7 years old… anyone under 24 has only known the message of hamas’ government and lived under the gaslighting. I’d assume the youth are pretty onboard, no?
Hamas was democratically elected once with 45% of the vote, then stopped holding elections.
A lot of olive trees grow in Palestine. The symbol of peace originated from the culture of Palestinians. Meanwhile, Israelis burn olive farmers’ trees in land they continue to steal today (but we don’t call it stealing, we call it “settling”)
So, given that a majority of Palestinians didn’t vote for Hamas, and the origins of the culture are rooted in peace anyways, I don’t think it’s fair to suggest most of those minors are on board with Hamas. Not to suggest many aren’t radicalized, but I’m honestly surprised more than 45% wouldn’t vote for Hamas considering how many generations of people are living in an open air prison.
Israel is shutting off all power, food, medicine, water, and bombing a city about the population of Los Angeles, but 4x denser, and mostly minors. This operation will take months if not years. This is an insane war crime at a scale we haven’t seen since world war 2
Okay. That was a generation ago. My point was that it’s all the people have known. If you’re saying they’ve only consolidated power since, you’re validating my point.
And none of the other responses have to do with my comment.
Also fwiw it’s neither Palestinian nor Greek. It’s from the story of Noah. The bird brought back an olive branch having found land, and it became the symbol of the end of the conflict, peace.
Owch, now that’s bullshit. First, when this particular symbol came into use, there was no such thing as Palestinians, the whole area was Jewish, Phoenician etc. Second, it’s Greek.
I’ve said many times what I think of Israelis, but that’s genocidal (as in whitewashing) rhetoric right here.
Look it up, you don’t have to take my word for it
Edit: also, you’re just going to ignore the part of Israel committing one of the worst war crimes of the century?
There’s nothing but your word (or anything just as credible) for it.
Yeah, since that’s not what I’m answering to.
Israel has the unwavering support of the United States, it may not have unanimous approval, but that is de facto western support.
From our government. Not our people. Most people can tell both sides to grow the fuck up and stop acting like 4 year olds in a pissing contest that costs people lives. I hate that our government making decisions makes all of us ok with it. We aren’t.
Yes, I meant the government
The US =/= “The West”. Just because you can’t be bothered to distinguish the 2 doesn’t mean they’re actually the same
America is the West when it comes to military support
The opposite in fact. The diaspora has been very angry with Bibi for years and that’s led to external pressure that’s caused him problems at home, even though he’s been able to withstand.
He just had his George Bush 9/11 moment, the country and the Diaspora are fully supportive of Israel right now.
The promise of safety has been shattered. However much I hate Bibi and believe he needs to be in jail, he full well understands what needs to happen to restore the feeling of safety to the people who are feeling very violated right now. It’s going to be ferocious.