Nina learned a valuable lesson that day: never show your boss how much time you actually need to produce results.
Make the job as easy as you can for yourself, and TELL NO ONE!
I had odd side tasks at a few previous jobs that while I couldn’t automate them per se, I created some combination of spreadsheets and parameter-driven drawings/models that greatly reduced the time and all but eliminated errors.
The first time I did something like that, I was young and dumb and showed my boss and their management team. As a reward, I was given a ton more work and expected to do it all in less time, even though what I’d created was only applicable to about 10% of it. Then when I couldn’t meet that workload, I was berated and had my “helper” spreadsheet and drawing made fun of in a meeting.
After that I made a similar sheet to help on a different task and only told a coworker friend…who then proceeded to tell management about it and take credit for making it. Karma being a bitch, though, he was just given more work to make up for that efficiency as well, and a few months later some of the variables changed and he was totally unable to fix the built in formulae to account for it, so it was basically useless to him, but he still had the work.
After that I just never told a soul about anything like that until maybe if I was leaving the job.
At my very last job before my current one, I had developed a 3D model that accepted a string of about 30 parameters and, as long as there were no conflicts, spit out a model that was 95% of the way to complete for maybe 60% of my normal workload, and as long as it was successful, it came with an associated drawing template that also auto-populated most of my work there…so basically taking a little bit over half my normal work and making it at least 75% faster. A game changer.
I sat on that shit for the last 9 months I worked there, using it, improving it, adding features on my own time, troubleshooting issues, etc. Said nothing to my boss or my one other coworker until literally the day I gave my notice. I figured it’d help my coworker handle the increased workload until they hired my replacement (but didn’t want that asshole to get credit for my work) so I showed both him and my boss at the same time.
At first, both acted unimpressed and uninterested. After a few days though, my coworker was using it and quickly they realized the value. Instead of thanking me and asking how it worked and could be improved, they just told me “Use the time you have left to improve this to work on every possible variant of the type of part it works on, and also develop an equivalent for the (totally different) type of part your coworker makes. Have it done before your last day.”
I had like 4 days left.
So I literally just said, “No, not going to do that. It took me months to get this one where it is, and it’s stable and works on most cases. Trying to add that much to it in 4 days might break it. There’s just not enough time, so no, I’m going to finish my backlog of work and clean up my desk area for the next few days and that will be it.”
“If you want me to develop something like that, here is my consulting rate. Yes, I know it’s more than 5x my currently hourly rate. I can have a contract put together for you by my last day.”
My dad does this with Banks and The Military. He charges anyone else a mere $300 an hour for his expertise, but if you’re a bank or part of the military industrial complex his rate automatically quadruples. They pay it too. He’s one of the only people left that is FLUENT in COBOL
Honestly it sounds like the management there lacked the vision to truly appreciate the gift you gave them.
They could harness such a tool for years to come, but it sounds like it was a small department anyway so who knows
Yup. yup, you should enjoy your free time. And send the email right before the deadline
Words to live by
Sign of a shit manager/boss, usually.
Good boss who sees this will go “oh thank God now you have your time freed up to do that thing you’ve been telling me we really need to get around to doing”, cuz there’s always at least like, 5 to 10 of those on the backlog anyways.
Seriously this.
Been in the industry for going on 15 years. Never happened the way this comic makes it out to be.
There is always work to be done. That employee ends up being a tech lead or IC and promoted.
Companies don’t fire a whole team. They’ll find ways to maximize that solution that automates a lot of work. Oh, you can automate a DB? Can you automate more things or train others to do the same?
And the whole team gets better and more creative work. I’ve watched my team evolve over and over. Ive jumped to a bunch of companies and continue seeing it happen.
It’s hard enough getting good devs, so unless you work at a shit company, many hire real slow and often don’t fire devs unless they’re real bad apples.
And finally - Who the fuck wants to spend 8 hours making SQL queries manually? If your 40 hour job can be automated with a script, you’re going to be unemployable regardless.
Yes, this is completely unrealistic. No tenured IT professional is just going to announce that they’ve doubled workflow efficiency overnight. They’ll slow play the improvements until it becomes absolutely necessary to reveal them, and then act like they’ve been putting in extra work when in reality they’ve been spending 6 hours a day writing new Quake 3 mods.
As they should. These people don’t care about us.
There are no good bosses.
The system is shit.
If they really needed to get around to doing that, the boss would’ve already hired another employee to do that task.
Not doing so implies that paying someone just for that task wouldn’t be worth it.
That does not change when a worker becomes available from somewhere else.
If they really needed to get around to doing that, the boss would’ve already hired another employee to do that task.
This one made me laugh pretty hard, very great joke hahahaha
(Almost always, no, no one was hired to do the thing, its been on the backlog for a year now but everyone is way too busy to do it)
If the boss has no problem keeping it on the backlog forever, then apparently it isn’t an issue worth dealing with.
You missed the part where the employee was the one saying it was important, not the boss. And a lot of those tasks aren’t things you can just hand off to a new person, anyway - e.g., tech debt on software.
Important service announcement:
If you automate a part of your work brag about always having your deliverables on time. Don’t brag about how little work you need to do to get there.
Also, make sure you have to do something essential that no one else knows how to do to make the automation work so you don’t risk getting fired or if they fire you they don’t profit from the tools you created.
There was a user on Tales from tech support that had tons of great stories including one where he left with all the documentation for the tools he had created over years of work for a company and they were left with useless tools once he was gone!
and they were pretty with useless tools once he was gone!
That was pretty slick, a dead’s man switch 😆
I think those are illegal where I live unfortunately.
I did a co-op position at the federal government during my undergrad where I automated my main task. I told my boss and he said that the efficiency was too high; they couldn’t maintain the script when I left. He asked me to only report results in the usual timeframe (4 hours instead of 45 minutes) and to maybe download some Netflix.
the ideal boss thinks your job is way harder than it is
Always under promise.
My job never wanted to fire people. They just made working conditions so poor that people quit.
In the US this is called constructive dismissal. It’s a tactic used by employers to get away with firing someone but not getting hit by unemployment insurance payments.
The good news for workers is, it still counts as being fired and you still qualify for unemployment if you “quit” under these conditions.
This is what most places I’ve been at did even when I was the newbie in the OP
“Oh, you helped us with some basic IT knowledge and can do even more for us later if we keep you and don’t treat you like shit? How about I get 6in or less from your face and scream so loudly that your ears ring a little when I’m done?”
That’s assault. Record that next time and get yourself a settlement.
So I actually reached out to a lawyer with a couple other employees over this guy and his wife (they also illegally evicted a couple of people and did some other shit) and the guy worked with us for like a month before disappearing from the face of the earth
If I wasn’t so busy going to job interviews that never call me back I might have time to find a new lawyer for this but as for now it’s on the backburner
I would punch that person in the face, justifiably.
I’m 6’4" and this dude was taller and bigger than me + ex-hockey and still regularly coached and taught said sport
As much as he would have deserved it, I’m 100% certain I’d have lost that fight
I instead quit on the spot and reported that place to corporate (who straight up told me I was the one in the wrong) as well as OSHA and a few others for various reasons like not having ladders on their docks despite 3 different people falling in and nearly drowning in 1 month
Next time they do that, get a hammer, and wreck his fucking mouth.
Abusing your employees should hurt in ways doctors can’t fix.
Or don’t, if you’re a stable human being.
I guess the username checks out though…?
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Never give more than 70%
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The thing is, you can just use whatever resources you don’t need for your job in some place where the principle you mentioned applies.
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I spend 50% on things that make my life less annoying while at work. That might be research that is vaguely related to work but entertaining to me or it might be writing automation tools so I can work less. I have never given someone else my full effort. Except my spouse of course.
This is an interesting perspective. I’ve seen both sides of the coin. I’ve personally had hard work pay off significantly and at the same time it is what I wanted to do personally to challenge myself. I didn’t have to.
I’ve also seen incredibly hard workers lied to and promised things only later to be told did you get it in writing?
It is hard to have your perspective when the job is menial, imo. Not a ton of personal growth as a garbage man or general laborer.
Nice, Cradle in the wild. I’m two books down currently
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I don’t find this comic funny. Too real.
never do more work than you need to. only do enough work to not get fired.
Cute cartoon (*♡∀♡).
Can we please make this a meme-free space?
Aren’t y’all happy that this happened? It resulted in less work.
For the person now jobless, sure.
And an increased efficiency. Having an automated system instead of a person entering data into tables manually means data processing is done faster, serving the customer better. There’s a reason humanity didn’t stay with tribalism and industrialized instead.
That reason is capitalism, which sows division in favour of profit for a small number of people.
So you want us to return to pre-industrialism? I am anti-capitalist and anti-work, but that does not exempt one from having to stay with reality. My comment being downvoted just shows that this sub is apparently full of morons that only know they dislike work, but don’t know the actual arguments for why.
Lololol this fucking sub 🤦♂️
You imagine the most insane shit.
Imagine? This is real life.
Whatever you say 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤣
I guess we’re simultaneously in 3% unemployment and employers are at the same time firing effective employees all day.
You’re watching in real-time as middle managers fire as much as half their staff using ridiculous “return to the office” policies (when wfh had productivity up, saved employees money, and reduced pollution) just to save their own jobs and those of their commercial real estate landlords. Employees are already being replaced with AI.
If you don’t think that bosses would just fire people and replace them with automation then you really must be the most dense motherfucker in America. Stop defining your self-worth by how hard you work, it’s just what your bosses want to turn you into a slave they can exploit while you never criticize the ever increasing problems with a system that doesn’t give a single solitary shit about you.
Lolol that’s one company. Median tenure in the US is about 4 years depending on who you ask.
Here are some possible reasons for why the unemployment rate can be misleading and why low-wage workers (usually in the service sector, which includes over 2/3 of jobs in Canada and over 3/4 of jobs in the USA) are often not considered for promotion or career development. Wage stagnation and inflation are rampant and are driving down real wages. I made less this year than last year despite a 5% wage increase because inflation was over 8%.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/u/underemployment.asp
A third type of underemployment refers to situations in which individuals who are unable to find work in their chosen field quit the workforce altogether, meaning they haven’t looked for a job in the last four weeks, per the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ (BLS) definition of “not in the labor force.”
The number of these workers skyrocketed during the onset of the economic crisis and lockdown in early 2020, which ultimately resulted in a substantial change in working conditions and coincided with a crash in the markets. It is statistically difficult to measure the third type of underemployment.
People are removing themselves from the job market; they’ve given up and are not being counted by labour statistics. This is also not something caused by COVID-19, just made more overt due to the large number of people affected.
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/8/17308744/bullshit-jobs-book-david-graeber-occupy-wall-street-karl-marx
A lot of bullshit jobs are just manufactured middle-management positions with no real utility in the world, but they exist anyway in order to justify the careers of the people performing them. But if they went away tomorrow, it would make no difference at all.
And that’s how you know a job is bullshit: If we suddenly eliminated teachers or garbage collectors or construction workers or law enforcement or whatever, it would really matter. We’d notice the absence. But if bullshit jobs go away, we’re no worse off.
My sister-in-law’s ex-husband works for the federal government; when he first started his job, he did his work at what he thought was a normal pace, only for his supervisor to tell him to slow down because others weren’t able to keep up. He would be given a report to write and would finish it in 3-4 days, but his supervisor wanted him to take 7-10 days.
He’s employed, sure, but he has to essentially waste his own time so that his superiors don’t get butthurt. He plays video games on his computer during his downtime; you’d think a person like that would be fired, but he’s been working there for 4 or 5 years now, so he would never be on the chopping block during layoffs.
https://hbr.org/2022/03/does-your-company-offer-fruitful-careers-or-dead-end-jobs
For example, we worked with a food services company that is one of the largest employers in the world to examine how training and job opportunities are created within the company. With more than 15,000 current job openings at the company, recruitment and retention is a constant focus. Training employees to create career paths for them in this low-wage industry is an important part of the retention strategy.
An initial examination of the data showed that training expenditures were highest among low-wage workers at the company, yet when those low-wage workers changed jobs within the company, more than one third soon left, and almost half saw almost no pay increase. Digging deeper, we found that only 17% of low-wage workers saw a significant pay increase.
These outcomes did not jibe with the firm’s commitment to training. Further analysis showed that when we removed compliance-related training expenditures from the data, we learned that most other training expenditures were directed at higher-wage workers and that these workers were more likely to take advantage of training benefits offered by the company.
If you’re working 40 hours per week while living paycheck to paycheck, yes, you’re employed, but is that really the sign of a healthy national economy or robust quality of life? Job hopping is the only way to reliably keep up with inflation, but it impacts your ability to build towards retirement (pension, 401k/RRSP contributions, etc.) or qualify for benefits such as paid time off or continuing education.
In the tech industry it’s even worse, as there are so many software developers and networking/IT professionals waiting for a chance that companies genuinely can get rid of interns/junior staff (and sometimes even senior staff) at will and have a replacement at the “revolving desk” by next week.
Do you think getting fired means you don’t need a new job? Those people getting fired still have bills to pay. They’re just finding new jobs.
And you think companies are firing the efficient employees from employer to employer while keeping a sub 3% rate? The median tenure in the states is about 4 years. What you are claiming just isn’t mathematically possible
Then show me the failed calculation
“Efficient employee” is corpo speak for “abused and compliant worker”. Of course they wouldn’t fire the people that give them the most results for the least in return.
Edit: I do work 40 hours/week and it’s bullshit. I don’t reply to corporate shills
Blah blah. Blah blah, go walk dogs if you can’t be brothered to put in a decent 40 hours.
I think all the stuff that gets to the “front page” of lemmy from this community is actually all correct but idk why anyones first reaction to this would be antiwork. You still want people to work because ai cant program well enough today. I dont really understand the antiwork movement right now, maybe in 20 years.
The anti work movement is really 2 things. You’ve got the “I want to work as little as I can” group who no matter the circumstances would do just that. Shove 10 people in a house that work part time with a big garden types. And you’ve got the “my hours and pay need to reflect increases in efficiency and decreases in amount of work I need to do”. Both unify in hating work. And both are useful to the cultural milieu, the former more like the hippies who dropped out of society and the latter like the people who demanded the 40 hour work week
Ok but that means most sane people arent antiwork but just want work reforms if im right. And it confuses like minded people(like me).
You aren’t entirely wrong but also the difference winds up in perspective. Work reform seeks to change work, usually through cooperation. You can compare it to a liberal union like the teamsters. Antiwork seeks to remove work’s status as the main focus of a significant chunk of our lives. It can be more easily compared to a radical union like the IWW. Both can probably settle on a compromise that they’re both comfortable with, but how they relate to folks like bosses and those who drop out is going to be different.
And I wouldn’t call those who minimize their labor insane but rather differently prioritized. Many are doing productive things with their time but not of the monetized or monetizable variety, just personal projects. Or they want to live like they’re retired. Or whatever. I can’t judge that urge because while it’s not how I want to live personally I do see something admirable and increasingly necessary in a lifestyle that trades ability to consume for time
