LGBTQ+ groups and drag performers suing the state argued Monday that Senate Bill 12 violates constitutionally-protected rights. The new law is set to go into effect on Friday unless a federal judge blocks it.
Then you’ve only been to one type. There are family friendly shows that are no different content wise from taking your kid to see a face character actor at Disneyland.
Normally we attend them at gay clubs where heavy drinking is involved. It’s adult entertainment and why I wouldn’t take my child. Just like I wouldn’t take my kid to a strip club.
A good friend of mine is a drag performer. He wouldn’t take his children either.
Let’s ban Highlite magazine because Playboy is a magazine.
Let’s ban Barney VHS because Anal Pirates 7 is a VHS.
Let’s ban nursery rhymes because wack thug rap exists.
Let’s ban everything so we personally don’t have to be responsible for ourselves and children. We just want to shove them into modern school daycare and be done with em.
Let’s kill their innocence by never even letting them experience life at all whatsoever. Let’s put them in a perfectly manicured box so when they grow up they are set back 18years and have to learn about the basics of reality until their 38.
Raise your kids like a plant under a bucket in the dark where it can’t grow with the sun and universe.
Not fun shows for adults. They do shows that are explicitly for kids or families. They don’t do sexual stuff at those shows and, believe it or not, kids like people in flamboyant outfits doing fun things like singing.
…right… Who’s taking their kids to bars? Anyone that takes their kid to a bar is a moron and probably shouldn’t be allowed to have a kid anyway.
It’s pathetic how lax America is with kids and alcohol. Yet they ban inconspicuous indoor medical grows from towns to save the kids from weed. America’s dead.
I didn’t speak to those as those are more recent and stated my opinion already on it. It isn’t something I’d take my child to but people should be free to raise their child as they see fit.
Then your kids would be missing out. Imagine sitting in the audience in a library with a bunch of children running around laughing. There’s an actor in front, in costume, reading from a book, and acting it out as he goes. He does the voices perfectly, and you hear laughter from the kids, knows when to pause for dramatic effect, and even does a sudden movement/loud voice to initiate an age appropriate jump scare that has the kids squealing with laughter
That’s like saying you’ve seen a few videos of stand up comedy or live music in your news feed. Yeah don’t take your kid to fuckin Rammstein but whatever kid musician the kids these days like is probably fine
And there are even metal shows for kids. They make it kid-friendly. I’m not a fan, but Jim Breuer at least used to do a metal and comedy show for families, nothing inappropriate for kids.
As a parent I rather not have government tell me what is approved thing and what’s not. I’m not LGBT and not interested in drag shows but honestly the whole thing is blown out of proportion.
I find it ridiculous that countries like Poland are heavily against LGBT, then the same people will turn on TV to watch cabaret (note the meaning in US is different than in Europe) and watch male comedians dressed as women for comedic effect (e.g. https://youtu.be/iM87cjLCCwI?t=63)
You do realise neither video game or movie age ratings are government things in the US, right? They’re run by the ESRB and MPAA respectively, neither of which are government entities.
In fact, just 12 years ago the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 in Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association that video games are protected speech and that a California law banning the sale of violent video games to minors was illegal.
Even as private entities they don’t prevent children from accessing the media. They only provide guidance for parents who can then use it to decide if the content is appropriate.
My wife used to work at a video store in the 90s. They would catch kids in the adult room all the time. You didn’t have to look at the back either. There was explicit porn right on the front of the box.
I’ll take my kids wherever I feel appropriate. You can do the same with yours, but don’t you fucking dare tell me where I can or can’t take me shithead. Go live your own life and don’t try to live mine
And these are the same people wanting schools to out transgender kids or banning books that reference anything but straight white life because “it’s a parent’s ultimate right to control how their children are raised!”
I mean, I support them and the people who perform in them, but you’re not wrong. And i think that’s the whole problem. You can simply choose not to attend or pay them no attention. It doesn’t fit Into everyone’s world view and that’s alright. But to say that you cannot do it or that it’s illegal is complety absurd and i agreee with that statement that it is petected under freedom of speech.
I mean yeah they do. My parents took me to r rated movies since I was in grade school if I wanted to see it, bought me m rated games etc. They had a right to raise me how they want and part of that was making sure I knew what make believe was beforehand and that some things are beyond me in years and I turned out just fine.
It’s on the parents to figure out what’s appropriate for their kids.
if you think about it, there’s really only something wrong with drag queens reading children’s books to kids if a) you’re a pedophile and you assume they are too, (they’re not.) or b) you’re a religious zealot who likes to tell people what to wear.
Either way, you’re allowed to decide your kids shouldn’t see that. but then, parents of other kids get to make that same decision. Banning Drag Story Hour to protect the kids is a blatant and unnecessary intrusion.
It’s really not, though; it’s not violent and it’s not sexual. Male-presenting children’s characters wear female clothes all the time without any controversy; Bugs Bunny is constantly dressing up as a girl bunny, Donald Duck wears a dress in “Donald in Mathmagic Land,” and you can literally make Mario wear a wedding dress in Super Mario Odyssey.
That’s up to the parents to decide isn’t it? I mean all of this supposedly started because “parental rights” somehow, even though it was parents taking their children to these shows in the first place. Once the mainstream stopped paying direct attention to it after that surface-level excuse, it was shifted to the real reason, just openly being anti-LGBTQ because the republicans hate anything that doesn’t follows the Bible as they believe it should, ignoring the numerous contradictions within the damned book, and even related to similar issues.
1 Timothy 2:9-10 ESV
Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.
I guess every woman with braids, or wearing jewelry should be getting the same treatment. I mean it’s in the book too after all.
Or how about tattoos:
Leviticus 19:28 ESV
You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord.
This doesn’t even get into things like how the Bible explains how to buy and trade slaves.
You know, I’m starting to think this book has a lot of stuff that doesn’t make sense in a modern world and should not be applied to everyone. Religious beliefs should not be forced on everyone, and with these kinds of laws the religious roots are hidden behind claims of “parental rights” or various forms of “morality”, to try and hide the religious roots they come from. The moderm Republican party loves to ignore the inconvenient fact that this is not a Christian country.
Our founding fathers explicitly warned about it. Madison praised the new Constitution for keeping faith out of federal officeholding, which would welcome individuals “of every description, whether native or adoptive, whether young or old, and without regard to poverty or wealth, or to any particular profession of religious faith.”
James Madison, in the Federalist Papers, challenged the idea that religion in politics would lead men to “cooperate for their common good” and asserted instead that it would make them “vex and oppress each other.”
Or if you want to ignore that commentary as being somehow “unofficial” as it is not a government document and “only” commentary from some of the founding fathers… how about the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli. Begun by George Washington, signed by John Adams and *ratified unanimously *by a Senate still half-filled with signers of the Constitution:
Article. 11.
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
The original pilgrims came here literally to escape persecution. The current Republican party is doing exactly that to anyone that believes differently than they do and falsely trying to claim it’s how this country was meant to be from the very beginning.
Let them do whatever they want. You go ahead and raise your children properly and teach them properly. They’re just making it very easy for your children to beat them in every aspect of life. Why are you upset?
When those guys complain that they’re having a hard life, I just laugh and remember that my preschool children know more math that a 7th grader. That’s how you win in life. They’re punishing themselves. No need for us to fix any of this. The more they screw up the better it’s for us. Let them enjoy their anti-depressants.
Sure. Doesn’t mean take your kid to one. This isn’t that complicated.
Do you know what goes on at drag shows or have you only been to the after hours nsfw shows?
I’ve been to many. No, I wouldn’t take my child to one.
What’s fine for adults, isn’t always fine for children.
Then you’ve only been to one type. There are family friendly shows that are no different content wise from taking your kid to see a face character actor at Disneyland.
Normally we attend them at gay clubs where heavy drinking is involved. It’s adult entertainment and why I wouldn’t take my child. Just like I wouldn’t take my kid to a strip club.
A good friend of mine is a drag performer. He wouldn’t take his children either.
Not everything is a child event nor should it be.
“I’ve only been to explicitly adult shows which is why I think they’re adult shows”
Of course if you only go to gay clubs with heavy drinking you’d think those shows are for adults. Because those shows ARE for adults.
Let’s ban Highlite magazine because Playboy is a magazine.
Let’s ban Barney VHS because Anal Pirates 7 is a VHS.
Let’s ban nursery rhymes because wack thug rap exists.
Let’s ban everything so we personally don’t have to be responsible for ourselves and children. We just want to shove them into modern school daycare and be done with em.
Let’s kill their innocence by never even letting them experience life at all whatsoever. Let’s put them in a perfectly manicured box so when they grow up they are set back 18years and have to learn about the basics of reality until their 38.
Raise your kids like a plant under a bucket in the dark where it can’t grow with the sun and universe.
Sorry for showing my age haha.
Fahuck America.
I was raised by prudes. That’s my source.
No one’s getting naked or sexual, you extremely stupid fuck 🙄
Then you’re not going to fun shows.
Not fun shows for adults. They do shows that are explicitly for kids or families. They don’t do sexual stuff at those shows and, believe it or not, kids like people in flamboyant outfits doing fun things like singing.
…right… Who’s taking their kids to bars? Anyone that takes their kid to a bar is a moron and probably shouldn’t be allowed to have a kid anyway.
It’s pathetic how lax America is with kids and alcohol. Yet they ban inconspicuous indoor medical grows from towns to save the kids from weed. America’s dead.
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Speaking of common sense, you know these events also occur outside of bars, right?
I didn’t speak to those as those are more recent and stated my opinion already on it. It isn’t something I’d take my child to but people should be free to raise their child as they see fit.
Then your kids would be missing out. Imagine sitting in the audience in a library with a bunch of children running around laughing. There’s an actor in front, in costume, reading from a book, and acting it out as he goes. He does the voices perfectly, and you hear laughter from the kids, knows when to pause for dramatic effect, and even does a sudden movement/loud voice to initiate an age appropriate jump scare that has the kids squealing with laughter
Ive seen a few videos in my news feed.
So, “no I have no idea what goes on but I hate it anyway”.
“Have you seen ?”
“I’ve seen parts of it”
How much do you expect? I better things to do than watch bob in a dress give some one a lapdance.
That’s like saying you’ve seen a few videos of stand up comedy or live music in your news feed. Yeah don’t take your kid to fuckin Rammstein but whatever kid musician the kids these days like is probably fine
And there are even metal shows for kids. They make it kid-friendly. I’m not a fan, but Jim Breuer at least used to do a metal and comedy show for families, nothing inappropriate for kids.
As a parent I rather not have government tell me what is approved thing and what’s not. I’m not LGBT and not interested in drag shows but honestly the whole thing is blown out of proportion.
I find it ridiculous that countries like Poland are heavily against LGBT, then the same people will turn on TV to watch cabaret (note the meaning in US is different than in Europe) and watch male comedians dressed as women for comedic effect (e.g. https://youtu.be/iM87cjLCCwI?t=63)
I agree. Everyone should get able to raise their children within reason.
We didn’t take our kid to a drag show until she was 17 and it was a family safe drag show.
Did your kid request to go to a drag show?
When she was younger. We said no. There is nudity, sexual jokes and lots of drinking.
She has when she turned 18 and we found an appropriate one to take her too.
Now that she’s over 21 we would take her but due to Covid, we haven’t been in awhile.
She loves drag. So does my gf. I’m more impartial about it.
Not in drag shows explicitly for kids and families. Which has been a thing for years now.
Just don’t take your kid to a bar.
Do you hate movies and video games? How about the FCC?
You do realise neither video game or movie age ratings are government things in the US, right? They’re run by the ESRB and MPAA respectively, neither of which are government entities.
In fact, just 12 years ago the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 in Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association that video games are protected speech and that a California law banning the sale of violent video games to minors was illegal.
Even as private entities they don’t prevent children from accessing the media. They only provide guidance for parents who can then use it to decide if the content is appropriate.
Well, technically, they do, if the store selling said items has a policy following the listed age ratings.
Pretty sure every kid in the 90s opened the black curtain at the rental shop to look at the back of the VHS.
My wife used to work at a video store in the 90s. They would catch kids in the adult room all the time. You didn’t have to look at the back either. There was explicit porn right on the front of the box.
No, they don’t. The private entities in question are the ESRB and MPAA.
I’ll take my kids wherever I feel appropriate. You can do the same with yours, but don’t you fucking dare tell me where I can or can’t take me shithead. Go live your own life and don’t try to live mine
Doesn’t mean you get to decide how others raise their kids.
And these are the same people wanting schools to out transgender kids or banning books that reference anything but straight white life because “it’s a parent’s ultimate right to control how their children are raised!”
I mean, I support them and the people who perform in them, but you’re not wrong. And i think that’s the whole problem. You can simply choose not to attend or pay them no attention. It doesn’t fit Into everyone’s world view and that’s alright. But to say that you cannot do it or that it’s illegal is complety absurd and i agreee with that statement that it is petected under freedom of speech.
So you dont support parental rights?
Do kids get to go see rated r movies? How about M rated games? Same concept.
Yes, Im aware kids get around them, but the principle is the same.
I mean yeah they do. My parents took me to r rated movies since I was in grade school if I wanted to see it, bought me m rated games etc. They had a right to raise me how they want and part of that was making sure I knew what make believe was beforehand and that some things are beyond me in years and I turned out just fine.
In my experience, people who say “I turned out fine” are usually incorrect.
Would you prefer “and I didn’t turn into a serial killer?” or would you not believe that claim either?
Yes. There are no laws preventing either.
So you dont support parents being allowed to make those choices for their own children?
Why dont you support parental rights?
It’s on the parents to figure out what’s appropriate for their kids. if you think about it, there’s really only something wrong with drag queens reading children’s books to kids if a) you’re a pedophile and you assume they are too, (they’re not.) or b) you’re a religious zealot who likes to tell people what to wear.
Either way, you’re allowed to decide your kids shouldn’t see that. but then, parents of other kids get to make that same decision. Banning Drag Story Hour to protect the kids is a blatant and unnecessary intrusion.
It’s really not, though; it’s not violent and it’s not sexual. Male-presenting children’s characters wear female clothes all the time without any controversy; Bugs Bunny is constantly dressing up as a girl bunny, Donald Duck wears a dress in “Donald in Mathmagic Land,” and you can literally make Mario wear a wedding dress in Super Mario Odyssey.
Some parents also use their own discretion and let their kids enjoy that media.
I saw rated R movies as a kid in the 80s all the time. Believe it or not, I’m not a depraved psychopath.
That’s up to the parents to decide isn’t it? I mean all of this supposedly started because “parental rights” somehow, even though it was parents taking their children to these shows in the first place. Once the mainstream stopped paying direct attention to it after that surface-level excuse, it was shifted to the real reason, just openly being anti-LGBTQ because the republicans hate anything that doesn’t follows the Bible as they believe it should, ignoring the numerous contradictions within the damned book, and even related to similar issues.
I guess every woman with braids, or wearing jewelry should be getting the same treatment. I mean it’s in the book too after all.
Or how about tattoos:
This doesn’t even get into things like how the Bible explains how to buy and trade slaves.
You know, I’m starting to think this book has a lot of stuff that doesn’t make sense in a modern world and should not be applied to everyone. Religious beliefs should not be forced on everyone, and with these kinds of laws the religious roots are hidden behind claims of “parental rights” or various forms of “morality”, to try and hide the religious roots they come from. The moderm Republican party loves to ignore the inconvenient fact that this is not a Christian country.
Our founding fathers explicitly warned about it. Madison praised the new Constitution for keeping faith out of federal officeholding, which would welcome individuals “of every description, whether native or adoptive, whether young or old, and without regard to poverty or wealth, or to any particular profession of religious faith.”
James Madison, in the Federalist Papers, challenged the idea that religion in politics would lead men to “cooperate for their common good” and asserted instead that it would make them “vex and oppress each other.”
Or if you want to ignore that commentary as being somehow “unofficial” as it is not a government document and “only” commentary from some of the founding fathers… how about the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli. Begun by George Washington, signed by John Adams and *ratified unanimously *by a Senate still half-filled with signers of the Constitution:
The original pilgrims came here literally to escape persecution. The current Republican party is doing exactly that to anyone that believes differently than they do and falsely trying to claim it’s how this country was meant to be from the very beginning.
Let them do whatever they want. You go ahead and raise your children properly and teach them properly. They’re just making it very easy for your children to beat them in every aspect of life. Why are you upset?
When those guys complain that they’re having a hard life, I just laugh and remember that my preschool children know more math that a 7th grader. That’s how you win in life. They’re punishing themselves. No need for us to fix any of this. The more they screw up the better it’s for us. Let them enjoy their anti-depressants.