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Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report::undefined
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Cunts gonna cunt.
Apples gonna Apple
They already said that
Worst thing is Apple fans will be calling it a feature.
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TFW a wifi transfer literally loads files from your phone faster than a fucking cable.
USB 3.0 is way faster than WiFi and some phones even gave 3.1
And if USB SS+ (aka USB 3.1 gen 2 aka USB 3.2 gen 2×1) with 10 Gb/s is not enough for you, the newest iteration of the USB standard USB 4.0 version 2.0 has USB4 gen 4 at 80 Gb/s
Edit: for reference: Wi-Fi 4 supports up to 600 Mb/s or .6 Gb/s, while Wi-Fi 7 supports up to 46.12 Gb/s
… iPhone has USB 2.0
Yes, I know that,
The comment above implied that faster USB support isn’t needed because WiFi is faster anyways (obviously wrong).
I don’t think they intended to imply that faster USB support _isn’t needed _, but rather they are making a mockery of how absolutely absurd this reality is.
That is possible.
That’s his point.
That’s the point. Expect the iPhone 17 to be portless to the consumer.
There has to be a USB-C. Some people will always want wires to transfer data, even if it’s through their “wireless charger”, which is proprietary.
And some people will always want a headphone jack… oh wait…
I dont know anyone who transfers anything besides power to the iphone via cable. What are you guys doing? Syncing it with itunes?
Apple car play would be a bitch if I don’t have a port since it doesn’t have wireless carplay. And my car is a 2023
Do you suffer because of usb 2.0 speeds?
Well if you don’t want to subscribe to iCloud, how can you do it except with iTunes?
To be honest I’d really want to be able to create an image of my iPhone and back it up on my kdrive (a cloud storage service).
This was my thought exactly. I would sooner transfer over Wi-Fi than cable. This is a charging port to me.
It would actually be a lot safer if the charging port was only able to supply power. People plug their shit into random cables all the time and it’s been a vector for compromise.
That’s a good point though the port is also needed to pair an iPhone or iPad to a Mac/PC (the famous ‘Trust This Device’ screen can only be triggered if a device tries to access the phones data via USB) which is required to do any backups / music or picture syncs in the first place. ,nd it’s also necessary if youre a developer as - even at USB2.0 speeds that people complain about here - it is still faster to test and debug applications than via wireless.
Amazing how this company is so successful knowing they’re just scamming their clients
When you’re the biggest shop in your town it’s because you do good work.
When you’re the biggest shop in the world it’s because you’re scamming your clients.
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Apple fanboys drooling over the company as it continues to shit on them.
I doubt your typical apple user will use the usb port for anything other than charging.
If they are going to improve transfer speeds it’s not going to happen in the same iteration they’re being made to switch to usb c for two reasons:
- They want to incetivise users to upgrade to a newer model 16
- They will want to take credit for faster speeds. Otherwise people will think usb c is just faster than lighting they were stuck with for years.
The reason is that like with the iPhone 14, in the non-Pro models they put the SoC from the previous year’s Pro model, and that one was only designed for Lightning so only USB 2.0. So the non-Pro will get USB 3 once the USB 3-supporting SoC trickles down from the Pro.
Apple is very good at price discrimination. I hey know if they can build a slightly cheaper phone by reusing the SoC from the older lightning version, and 99% of iPhone users won’t care (for whatever reason) they then know that the 1% that does care will spend a little bit more on the Pro model. And they do that with few different features, which ends up with the Pro models selling a significant number of units.
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How do apple fan boys keeps eating this shit-sandwich year after year?
Most people are totally lost in a sea of capitalistic greed and wealth indicators. If you don’t keep up with the Joneses, are you really alive?
What % of mobile users plug their phones into a computer to move files on/off them? I’m not even an iPhone user (I have a Pixel 6 Pro) and it’s probably been 5+ years since I last moved files over USB on my phone.
But why even limit it?
I’m guessing it saves them a few cents. I just don’t think most customers care so I can see why they’d want to save a little bit of money.
I’m transfering stuff from my phone to PC all the time.
What are you transferring? Do you really think others are? Most people just use Google Photos or equivalent for photo back up and YouTube Music/Spotify/Apple Music/Amazon Music/etc.
They have convinced themselves it tastes better than a club sandwich.
It never had to make sense.
Ads campaigns apple spends billions in, such has having their brand name on top of every community to boost their popularity and overshadow competitors
I haven’t transferred data over a usb cable in at least a decade. This means nothing to me.
it’s an identity. you might be surprised to see how often the apple logo is used on random things in countries where copyright doesn’t exist. like it’s a symbol of something really important.
but I think the USB 2.0 thing is completely normal and this is a misleading headline
edit: oh look im being le downvoteddit
2.0 isn’t normal in a USB-C phone.
Yes, I can’t wait for them to launch the newest innovative tech of Type C for iPhone, which will offer more speed and better compatibility cause they are the good guys who swear they would protect your data and keep an eye on your photos too.
I have family who actually believes all of what you just said. The tribalism can get a bit much.
ITT people pretending this is a spite based move, when realistically it is probably cutting costs by reusing the same hardware they used for lightning ports just soldering on a USB-C port instead of a lightning one.
A shining example of cutting edge Apple innovation
Are you trying to suggest the company that invented rounded corners isn’t innovative enough?!
Next they will claim they invented cutting corners…
dude usb 3.0 is 15 years old by now, and they’re a trillion dollar company. They’ll manage, this is 100% by choice
On a thousand dollar phone
Yes, the choice being the respective SoCs not needing 3.0 support because they were intended to be used with lightning connectors.
I mean Pixel 6 still didnt have 3.0 support, so the 15 year old argument doesnt hold too much ground either.
Pixel 6 has 3.1 gen 1 (3.0) and so did the Pixel 1
https://gsmarena.com/google_pixel_6-11037.php https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7158570
The first phone with USB 3.0 appears to be from 2013.
https://www.theverge.com/2013/9/5/4696874/galaxy-note-3-usb-3-0-power-connector-explained
Sure, I’m willing to eat my words on that one, for some reason my memory said 6a 2.0
The SoC lacks the hardware. Even the USB C iPads with A series chips operate at 2.0 speeds. They can only do 5Gbit in host mode, like with an external SSD. Plugged in to a computer they are 2.0.
I would imagine future chips will have the capability, once the Pro chips trickle down to the base models.
You think this more likely than just creating a bigger artificial difference between the standard and normal model?
That, and also, how many iPhone users do you think will actually notice slower USB speeds? One percent? They literally do not need 3.0 to keep their customers happy. And they’re not going to poach many Android fanboys with this change, so who cares?
I’m going over… that’s literally all I needed from them. Consumer choice is all lesser evils atm.
RIP Firefox phone and Samsung Pure.
I believe it’s both. Apple said that they’d be compliant with the EU regulations of having usb-c as a port for any cell phone with a charging port. I don’t remember the exact wording, but a valid interpretation was that usb-c is not required if the device has no charging port. I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection. Reducing the capability of wired connections would in that case just be a way to move the users towards the planned infrastructure.
So it’s both a spiteful move regarding the regulations, but also a move which reduces costs and pushes users their desired way.
I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection.
I sure hope not. I’d have to take off my case every time I wanted to charge my phone.
I charge my samsung just fine with a decently fat case. Does apple have a weaker QI receptor?
They are going to limit it to USB 2.0 speeds so in 3 or 4 years they can declare some new magical advancement and bump it up to full 3.0 speeds.
Apple purposefully limits things so that they have something to announce in the future. They aren’t dumb. They know the advancements in smartphones has been starting to slow down. So they meter out the advances over many years in incremental updates to give their customers a reason to upgrade.
You will hear something like this from every reviewer after an Apple event: “The changes were small, but taken together the new insert product name here might be well worth the upgrade price.”
This is not innovation that helps the market.
This is the reason capitalism will never maximize life for any but the few at the top.
I don’t really see the point? Like who’s going to be excited about faster USB transfer rates in 2026?
The same people that get excised about the current generation of apple BS?
I mean who really cares 2023? Who used this port for data transfer later than 2015? I guess for proRAW it makes some sense. But even less with the airDrop later over internet in background. And proRAW even is a iPhone pro feature isn’t it.
Just because you don’t care, doesn’t mean other people don’t care that their $2000 device is stuck at USB 2.0 speeds.
Are you stuck with fax v34 speeds because your telecom hasn’t upgraded your landline to support the more modern v300 or are you fully covered by your internet equipment instead?
That’s a bad analogy
Lol, the 2000$ iPhone will get thunderbolt iPhone 15 =/= iPhone 15 pro
In 3-4 years, WIFI 7 will be standard, and Apple will completely remove data pins from the charging port because nobody has used them since WIFI 6.
ITT: people who don’t realize that most USB-C cables are USB 2.0
Which is fine, I have a full speed USBC cable and it’s a thicc boi that I certainly wouldn’t want to shove in my pocket all the time and the 2.0 speed ones still charge my laptop even. But Apple is limiting the PORT, not the cable, which isn’t cool.
Because they are probably using the same controller, just rewired to usbc, there are videos of this modification being done aftermarket.
This is irrelevant.
We’re talking about smartphones here, and most new Android phones support > 3.0.
The article only really has facts about the 2.0 cable, anything said about the device is speculated.
The entire article is literally based on a tweet where someone tested the cable. The title of the article and of this Lemmy post references that.
most new Android phones support > 3.0
Where do you find that information? Do you know of a reviewer that benchmarks the USB transfer rate of Android phones?
Edit: I found this: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-problem-usb-c-file-transfer-1075286/
10.8GB / 480 Mbps = 180 seconds, and those phones are all faster, so they must be using USB 3.x. In other words, iPhone 15 will have slower USB data than the Pixel 1.
Do you actually connect your phone for anything other than charging? Not trying to poke at you, I’m just honestly surprised this is a big issue for anyone really.
IIRC current iphones with lightning connector are still using USB 2.0 and only ipad pro actually has USB 3. I could be wrong though.
There’s a difference between connector and protocol version. But they are all backwards compatible.
Sure but most USB-C Android devices can at least manage USB 3.0 speeds
Yeah I’ve ran into this problem a few times now. I use my Occulus Quest on my PC and it needs USB 3.2 cables. The meta branded ones are crazy expensive but I found a third party one for fairly cheap.
I just got a Pixel 7 Pro and it needs a special powerblock to rapid charge. My Samsung block from my S10+ didn’t meet the requirements, I had to go back to the Essential Phones included charger. The USB-C port on my PC’s case is at normal speeds, but the port on the mono charges rapidly.
The official Meta/Oculus one is expensive because the data lines are fiber optic which allows it to be longer.
That likely includes most policy makers. They should have enforce color coding usb c cables instead of forcing the form factor.
In other news: company with long history of selling over-priced, under featured products to aspirational nitwits does it again!
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If you need fast speeds, buy the pro bro /s
Lol they will probably have a special Apple cable that allows for faster speeds only for their specific devices
They will not, at least not in the EU.
That’s essentially exactly what the headline is already stating…
So, worse than a Galaxy S5. Got it.
Well, charger cables are usually at USB 2.0 speed because USB-PD works the same, but signal integrity doesn’t matter as much, so you can make a longer, more flexible cable without using in-cable shielding…
So this is misleading, since the included cable coming in 2.0 speed (missing pins) absolutely does not mean that the iPhone USB-C port will only support 2.0.
The article states that the iPhone (the device itself) will be limited to USB 2.0 speed. Do you have information otherwise? Also limiting the speed does not mean it will not support the additional protocols that USB-C would allow for. I believe why people are making a fuzz over this is that people with iPhones want to be able to do large exports/backups/imports. Specifically those that use the devices professionally. In those cases you would want all the speed you can have, and this feels like an arbitrary limit set by Apple because they don’t want to fully comply. Perhaps there are good reasons due to heat issues in the storage controller.
Well, the article showed their original source, the tweet, which shows cable spec, data from a tester, and teardown ONLY. 16 pins on the male connector instead of the full 24 means USB 2.0 transfer speed is the maximum it can support, which is typical of a charger cable. (And no, this cable won’t be able to support things like DisplayPort since the 3.0 data pins are missing. )
My main point is that there is no information on the device side USB port configuration at all, therefore there is no conclusion that can be drawn about the USB-C port on the new iPhone yet, and it’s incredibly bad journalism for Extremetech to draw conclusion about device side spec from only the spec of the included charger cable.
And the Apple branded super speed cable can be sold for more profit. Win!
What a messy article. The title says that the cables are limited to 2.0 speeds (which they might as well be), the subtitle mentions charging speed as opposed to transfer speed and the article itself then talks about the port on the device having 2.0 speeds (for non “Pro” models).
Anyways, of course they gimp the base model on purpose. Every company does to set the more expensive models apart obviously, but Apple drives it to the extremes especially in recent years, which makes their line-up incredibly confusing. I mean they’ve gone out of their way to make their 10th gen base iPad use the old Apple Pencil, and they still don’t laminate the display even after they redesigned the exterior.
If you want a new iPhone this fall and you’re looking for something in the price range of the standard iPhone 15 (which will still be a very expensive phone of course), I’d recommend looking for previous year’s “Pro” model. The iPhone 13 Pro dropped around the iPhone 14 price at launch, and it’s essentially better in almost every way.
And because people will mention it: of course, you can also get a phone from a different manufacturer if it suits you, or keep your current phone.
Usb 2.0 is 23 years old now.
There’s a line between “enhancing the pro model by shitting on everyone else” but like this is just disrespectful.
But hey your money, spend that shit as stupidly as you want
(3.0 came out 15 years ago for reference, it’ll be older than some kids getting the phone ffs)
but like this is just disrespectful.
The word you’re looking for is “anti-consumer”
Apple didn’t even need to use USB C to do this bullshit:
The Lightning receptacle on the 12.9-inch iPad Pro (1st and 2nd generation) and 10.5-inch iPad Pro models has 16 pins, as there are additional eight pins on the other side. It supports USB 3.0 (now USB 3.2 Gen 1) at the maximum transfer speed of 5 Gbit/s.
- Wikipedia - Lightning (connector)
For reference USB 1.x/2.x A and B connectors have 4 or 5 pins, while USB 3.0+ A and B connectors have 9 or 10, with USB C having 24. USB 4.0 version 2.0 supports transfer speeds of up to 80 Gb/s. I think the 16 pin lighting connector could support USB 4.0, but this is just my speculation.
I always get last year’s model of whatever tech because it’s likely to be both cheaper and less buggy due to the bugs already have been fixed.
Then they’re not standards compliant and they can’t claim to have usb-c on their phones. I wonder how that will work out for them?
USB-C is the physical form. Does it actually dictate USB3?
The port on the phone Pro model supports transfer speeds up to 20 or 40 gbps, it’s just the supplied charging cable that is limited to USB 2.0 speeds. If you use a thunderbolt cable you will get full speed and a full feature set.
Edit: Seems like I was wrong; only the Pro models get full speed. That’s kinda shitty, yeah. Unfortunately still in spec, as the mandate is only for the form factor, not the protocol.
That’s not what the article says.
You’re likely not aware of all the facts. See, they’re required to put the USB C port in because Apple has been getting away with bullshit for decades that needs to stop. There’s zero reason for all the proprietary shit they force users to use that ends up creating millions of tons of plastic waste. So they decided to be extra massive cunts and are putting BOTH options on the phone instead of just using the one that every other phone does just fine with, creating a TON of plastic waste, and then, the kicker, forcing you to buy both cords anyhow if you want things to be fast.
Getting away with it? You know lightning came out like 4 years before USB-C, right?
Apple gets shit because they had a proprietary connector when everyone stated using mini/micro usb.
They then upgraded their proprietary connector to one that was MUCH better than the mini/micro connectors.
Now the usb-c connector is king and apple looks bad for not having the “better” connector this time.
But they aren’t forcing anyone to a NEW proprietary connector, just the one they have been using for like a decade now …
Standardizing on a GOOD connector will be nice, but it’s not like apples proprietary connector wasn’t BETTER for a long time.
Most folks don’t follow the timeline, yes apple is using a proprietary connector but it’s older than the new connector that was being used. They didn’t force you into a shittier product back then.
FYI it was newer by 2 years. I don’t think anyone is complaining about the performance of lightning over USB C, its that people want things to be standardized like everything non-apple is. Apple could have contributed to the USB C research and made a better cable that’s available to everyone, like IBM with the original USB or Phillips with HDMI.
iPhones for the lightning port in 2012 and I think the first usb c android was 2015ish
My point is that 11 years later people act as if this lightning port was thrust upon them RATHER than getting usb c.
They’ve been using the same connector for more than a decade now, that’s all.
Your points about apple opting to go their own route is salient and stands and I agree whole heartedly.
This, Apple is shitty for not advancing a standard. Can you imagine if every appliance came with some proprietary cable so you would be incentivized to stay with one brand to minimize hassle. We’d never stand for that, but for some reason we as consumers didn’t demand standardization in this realm. It’s a fast moving industry to be sure, but I don’t really see how that precludes standardization and that is evidenced by all the non Apple equipment that has settled on USB.
Apple did contribute to USB C during development.
What are you talking about? Lightning is older than USB-c, and iPhone has had 2 connectors (30pin, Lightning) during the time where all other phones had at least three (Mini B, Micro B, C)
Proving my point to?
No? A non-iPhone user has had to replace more cables during the same time span, and that’s not even counting the proprietary cables that existed on phones in the 2007-2009 era. Thunderbolt cables are expensive, even at Monoprice they are 3-4x the cost of a USB 2.0 cable that the vast majority will never need anything better.
Many phones use USB-C with USB 2.0, or at least they used to very recently. The Samsung Galaxy S series had USB 3.0 micro B on the S5 and devolved into USB 2.0 with a USB-C connector.
That’s not true. The standard is just the port, not what the port can do.
