It’s gonna be great watching centrist Democrats find an excuse to blame progressives when the person who represents centrists perfectly hands the Senate to Mitch McConnell.
The country is going to hand McConnell the Senate. The 2024 map is so bad that Biden could win by 9 points nationally and still end up with a GOP Senate.
Do it already, Jesus. This dip shit just wants attention.
Kick him out before he leaves.
This is part of the reason I bicker with Liberals about appealing to electoralism all the damn time. Great, we technically got a “D” win, but the party installed a senator that doesn’t vote with the party and pulls the senate more “center” as they try to scoop up disaffected conservatives. So, they effectively installed their own opposition. Well done.
Very much the smartest people in the room.
Note: venting, and I’m not talking about individuals just the collective “wisdom” of belt-way liberals.
OMG having this argument with people is maddening. Their refusal to think logically makes me want to bash my head on a wall
Right? That top-level comment is completely unhinged.
No the top level comment is the logical take
For my own understanding, I want to have it explained to me how it was unhinged!
Granted, voicing the take as I did pertaining to Manchin likely isn’t the smartest due to his electorate demographics, but I can recall a few cases where Democrat party officials threw their weight behind more center primary candidates as an appeal towards the center.
Edit: I suppose my umbrige is with how those candidates coincidentally happen to favor neo-liberal tendencies and don’t advocate for working class or on environmental issues. Cause, man, what a dream it would be to have an actual left party as opposed to a center and right.
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“Liberal” in this context is from a socialist/communist lens. It’s not what the US calls “liberal”. It’s just another name for a capitalist, as in what Adam Smith defined. “Economic” liberalism.
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On Lemmy people deriding liberals are very often farther left, not conservatives.
Centrists don’t care. They punch left while screaming that they’re punching right.
Lemmy did an odd thing. I replied to someone replying to the top comment (“bickering with liberals”), who had assumed that poster was a Trumper. The person I replied to even replied to my comment, then they deleted both and my reply somehow ended up attached to your comment instead.
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Dude, you’re the uninformed one here not knowing about basic political science terms. Again, the US idea of “liberal” is not what the rest of the world calls “liberal”.
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Yeah but is the “douchebag” comment really neccessary when you were corrected on something? This ain’t Reddit. Chill.
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I mean you’re not wrong
these people just don’t get harassed enough in real life by the regular citizens whose lives they destroy… i mean this asshole can just freely go about his daily life while he actively ruins people’s lives, it’s criminal…
nobody stops him and asks him: hey Joe, why the hell are you selling me out?
The people there love him. WV is a clear case of voters voting against their best interest.
Because obviously everyone who doesn’t just unfailingly agree with your personal views only disagrees because they’re stupid.
The dems should never have expected to rely on his seat anyway. Hes from the most bumfuck state in the union. West Virginias entire economy basically runs on coal
They didn’t. Every judge Manchin votes through and every Democratic policy he reluctantly says “Aye” for is playing with house money. Everyone knows how impossibly difficult the Senate map is for Democrats in 2024 and has for the better part of a decade.
I think his plan is clear:
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threaten the Democrats that he will bolt before the election if the party tries to primary him
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if he doesn’t switch parties before the election, and gets reelected, he will switch to Independent if the Republicans win back the majority and try to get a plum committee assignment out of Mitch
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Manchin needs to go play in traffic
He was never really part of it anyway. I’d rather see a strong progressive run in WV. You might be surprised with someone who stands for the people and not just for themselves.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But Biden’s actions on climate are one issue now pushing the fossil fuels-aligned senator towards the exit door and he will reportedly skip the anniversary event.
The senator recently dined with a top Biden aide, NBC said, as the White House tried “to ensure the president is not caught off-guard when Manchin publicly breaks with him”.
Hailing “one of the most historic pieces of legislation passed in decades”, he said West Virginia, a state dominated by coal interests, was “already seeing real results”.
But he also said he would “continue to fight the Biden administration’s unrelenting efforts to manipulate the law to push their radical climate agenda at the expense of both our energy and fiscal security”.
On Thursday, Manchin told West Virginia radio he was “thinking seriously” about ceasing to identify as a Democrat, whether to run for re-election as an independent or as a third-party candidate for president, backed by the No Labels group.
Democrats hold the Senate 51-49, a majority that already includes three independents: Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Angus King of Maine and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona.
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Kabuki theatre. This is about getting reelected
For 99% of elected officials, every action they take is about getting re-elected. The difference here is Manchin has a counterproductive strategy to do so.
Fun fact Ice cube is also sadly a Republican
Fuck this guy. How about they support an actual Democrat to run against him if he pulls this shit?
Blue no matter who and its consequences.
