This is the way. It doesn’t matter how restrictive LemmyNSFW gets. You don’t have to play by their rules. You can always set up your own instance and play by your own rules.

Thank you for outlining precisely why I don’t want the job. Much respect to anyone knowingly willing to take all that on. No respect lost to anyone who admits that it’s too much for them to handle.

It’s funny; I’ve made a couple suggestions that the admin team liked, and some of the other responses seemed to think I myself was part of the team. One said they knew it was my server to run as I saw fit (“but…”), and another asked if I was going to kill their c/. Uh, no to both of those, actually. I’m just some dude.

I just worry about being too presumptuous. I don’t want to crush any optimism; I’d love to see the project grow and improve with new features to better serve the community’s needs. On the other hand, I also realize those changes won’t happen simply because everybody expects them to.

“Lean on God if you must, but row away from the rocks.”

you side-stepped, re-worded, ignored, or outright lied in answer to my points.

No, I did not.

I think you’re trolling,

I’m not.

but if you’re not then please consider being more respectful in the future.

Cut the bullshit, maybe you can earn my respect.

Likewise.

Edit - actually, no. I was not arguing that the fallacy made the conclusion false. I’m arguing that the fallacy made the conclusion unsupported. Simply pointing out a fallacy doesn’t constitute the Fallacy Fallacy.

$2 per user is very expensive!

It’s only the cost of a cup of coffee. Your users can afford it, easily.

In any case, your argument seems to hinge on ‘the instance isn’t yours, so don’t try and change the rules’.

My argument is that if you don’t like the rules of this clubhouse, decentralization allows you to go start your own clubhouse, with your own rules.

If you like being lead around on a leash, why aren’t you hanging out on Spez’s Reddit?

I’m not being lead around on a leash. I’m not the one who has an issue with banning poopoo from one instance.

The admins here have chosen to be mature and democratic, and listen to the requests of their community. That’s why they opened this vote and are seeing it out; they’re good people.

And my vote says no. Most votes say no.

The bar for entry to create, manage, and gain traction for an instance is still high no matter how you look at it.

Bullshit. There’s already 824 different instances. There’s no reason there can’t be a 825th instance. The only bar that’s lower is the bar to coup an established instance.

As a result they’ve decided to at least take another look before throwing a niche part of their community into the grinder.

Even if they didn’t, they’re not under any obligation to cater to that niche. There’s no reason the niche needs to be a part of that community. It can just as easily be a part of another community. The admin team of LemmyNSFW cannot stop you from sharing poopoo on Lemmy, not even with an authoritarian ban. It’s trivial to circumvent their authority, with your own instance.

Democracy is never a bad thing ❤

Completely agreed. More reason to start your own instance, with your own voice, rather than drowning out someone else’s voice on their instance.

Once we have an effect way of removing communities, it can be used again. To say it will never be used again is unrealistic.

You’re just restating the Slippery Slope Fallacy, here.

It’s not reasonable or practical to tell someone to ‘go and make your own instance’.

It’s even less reasonable to tell someone to give up control of their instance in order to meet your desires. You aren’t the one running this place, so you don’t get to make the rules. The beauty of decentralization is that it’s far more reasonable to tell someone to create their own Lemmy instance than it is to tell them to create their own Reddit.

Are you actually aware of the costs and difficulties in hosting alone, let alone management?

Yes, actually. I was involved in the discussions on this very topic on Pluspora, a Diaspora pod that was created as a temporary lifeboat for Google+ refugees. The cost per user for even a small fediverse server is less than $2/year, and that number gets smaller as the userbase grows. the userbase can cover that cost via GoFundMe donations or Patreon contributions, just as they do on this instance.

It’s not a viable solution for most, let alone a relatively small niche that fits into a community or two.

Short of taking control over someone else’s instance, it’s the most viable solution available. There’s no easier way to start your own online social group than with open source decentralized social media. If you can’t be bothered to do that, then abide by the social contract of the instance you’re on, because it’s not yours.

Forcing users to manually filter out literal shit is horrible ux design. If the mods push off their responsibilities to the userbase, the userbase is likely to leave, and this place becomes a ghost town.

It’s only a fallicy if it doesn’t happen

But it hasn’t happened yet. You just state that it will, with no evidence to support that.

and in this case I think there is a clear path to this.

Then support your assertion. What do you base this claim on?

If you’re fine with being defederated, why not just start up your own instance and take on that risk yourself? No reason to have the rest of us get defederated just because you’re okay with it.

It’s another of those things where it won’t be problem once lemmy develops more.

Off-topic, but I’ve seen this sort of hopeful thinking a lot on here, and I’m not really sure where it’s coming from. When are you expecting Lemmy development to fix this, and what are you basing that on?

That’s just the problem, though. You can’t do that.

because they literally have no other choice.

That’s not true, though. They do have a choice. They can always start their own instance, with their own standards of decency. That’s the beauty of decentralization; you can just circumvent authority.

Slippery Slope Fallacy.

I guess I have a couple of those, from time to time. Damned if I know when one is coming, though.

That’s good to know. Thank you.

VPN Votes not allowed.

My vote is that we ban it here. I think the best solution for these issues is to have at least two NSFW instances. One that’s more tightly moderated and more socially acceptable, and a second that’s run with a more Libertarian wildboi flair. Business up front, party in the back. Maybe call the other one something like LemmyTrueNSFW, or LemmyWildNSFW, or something like that. This is how Federation achieves censorship-resistance. It allows a space for those on the fringe, while preventing the fringe from overwhelming the normie majority.

NSFL stands for Not Safe For Life. While NSFW covers things that are generally considered socially acceptable in private situations, but inappropriate for more public or formal situations, NSFL is for stuff that could be traumatizing or deeply disturbing, even in a private context.

Stuff like extreme violence or abuse can be more obvious examples of NSFL, but stuff like scat is more of a gray (well, gray-ish brown) area.

Ultimately, the issue is that this place needs a more sophisticated filtering system.

If people ask for a ban there as well, the admin of that instance can direct them to here. That way, that instance can remain… well, full of shit.