As admins, we removed the scat communities, thinking that scat was covered by the NSFL. However, some people have opposing views on this matter. What do you think about it? If people want it allowed, then we can restore content.

https://strawpoll.com/wby5Ae7PXyA

Edit: My answer for friends in the comments; The main reason NSFL was banned is because we currently don’t have the tools to separate porn from NSFL. I’m in favor of the ban because I think its the same way in scat. If we had enough tools right now, we wouldn’t be ban the NSFL either. Although, I agree that voting for niche fetishes doesn’t make sense.

Edit 2: Also I don’t want to think about shit anymore. I’m out 😀 https://lemmynsfw.com/post/117500

  • Leanne@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    248·
    1 year ago

    I’m seeing a lot of discussion here and just want to chip in and lay down my argument for scat.

    Banning it is really not okay. Unlike gore which clearly has significant ethical issues, scat causes no harm and is simply disliked by many people. Scat is already banned in many places of discussion, meaning that people in this fetish are forced to gather in places where actual child porn and bestiality is, because they literally have no other choice.

    Please throw us a lifeline. Don’t make us go to a scummy instance full of creeps and actual pedophiles.

    I really love this community, and I want to stay a part of it with you all! Let us have our safe haven, there aren’t many places out there like this ❤

    • Tway441@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      114·
      1 year ago

      scat causes no harm

      hepatitis A, hepatitis E, cholera, adenovirus, and E. coli would like your location.

    • throwawayforratings@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      86·
      1 year ago

      because they literally have no other choice.

      That’s not true, though. They do have a choice. They can always start their own instance, with their own standards of decency. That’s the beauty of decentralization; you can just circumvent authority.

        • throwawayforratings@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
          122·
          1 year ago

          It’s not reasonable or practical to tell someone to ‘go and make your own instance’.

          It’s even less reasonable to tell someone to give up control of their instance in order to meet your desires. You aren’t the one running this place, so you don’t get to make the rules. The beauty of decentralization is that it’s far more reasonable to tell someone to create their own Lemmy instance than it is to tell them to create their own Reddit.

          Are you actually aware of the costs and difficulties in hosting alone, let alone management?

          Yes, actually. I was involved in the discussions on this very topic on Pluspora, a Diaspora pod that was created as a temporary lifeboat for Google+ refugees. The cost per user for even a small fediverse server is less than $2/year, and that number gets smaller as the userbase grows. the userbase can cover that cost via GoFundMe donations or Patreon contributions, just as they do on this instance.

          It’s not a viable solution for most, let alone a relatively small niche that fits into a community or two.

          Short of taking control over someone else’s instance, it’s the most viable solution available. There’s no easier way to start your own online social group than with open source decentralized social media. If you can’t be bothered to do that, then abide by the social contract of the instance you’re on, because it’s not yours.

            • throwawayforratings@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
              41·
              1 year ago

              $2 per user is very expensive!

              It’s only the cost of a cup of coffee. Your users can afford it, easily.

              In any case, your argument seems to hinge on ‘the instance isn’t yours, so don’t try and change the rules’.

              My argument is that if you don’t like the rules of this clubhouse, decentralization allows you to go start your own clubhouse, with your own rules.

              If you like being lead around on a leash, why aren’t you hanging out on Spez’s Reddit?

              I’m not being lead around on a leash. I’m not the one who has an issue with banning poopoo from one instance.

              The admins here have chosen to be mature and democratic, and listen to the requests of their community. That’s why they opened this vote and are seeing it out; they’re good people.

              And my vote says no. Most votes say no.

              The bar for entry to create, manage, and gain traction for an instance is still high no matter how you look at it.

              Bullshit. There’s already 824 different instances. There’s no reason there can’t be a 825th instance. The only bar that’s lower is the bar to coup an established instance.

              As a result they’ve decided to at least take another look before throwing a niche part of their community into the grinder.

              Even if they didn’t, they’re not under any obligation to cater to that niche. There’s no reason the niche needs to be a part of that community. It can just as easily be a part of another community. The admin team of LemmyNSFW cannot stop you from sharing poopoo on Lemmy, not even with an authoritarian ban. It’s trivial to circumvent their authority, with your own instance.

              Democracy is never a bad thing ❤

              Completely agreed. More reason to start your own instance, with your own voice, rather than drowning out someone else’s voice on their instance.

                • throwawayforratings@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
                  3·
                  1 year ago

                  you side-stepped, re-worded, ignored, or outright lied in answer to my points.

                  No, I did not.

                  I think you’re trolling,

                  I’m not.

                  but if you’re not then please consider being more respectful in the future.

                  Cut the bullshit, maybe you can earn my respect.