• Nagarjuna [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      We’re at the stage in humor where instead of telling jokes, we’re conditioning ourselves to laugh at an increasingly horrifying reality.

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      It’s the reverse, actually. Story writers modeled super villains after these people.

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        And they modeled their heroes on their crooked world view.

        Exit: for everyone that doesn’t get what I’m saying, Hollywood is filled with crypto libertarians. Marvel’s Infinity War/Endgame was about an evil environmentalist vs the good guy billionaire who could have solved climate change while he was taking a shit, but choose to punch bad guys instead. Kingsman is an even more extreme example Neo libertarian morality tale. And whenever a pro environment movie comes out, audiences always hate it. Shows how effective their propaganda is.

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        Insightful comments.

        Glad the propaganda isn’t affecting people.

        I thought people would jump on this anti billionaire post.

        But you’re right, it’s trying to incite class war.

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          What’s wrong with being anti-billionaire?

          If a dragon were hoarding all the gold in your village and leaving the villagers to get fucked, would you be pro-dragon?

          (Yeah it’s a Terry Pratchett novel.)

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            But that’s the point, They’re not hoarding ALL the gold, your point is based in hyperbolie and is ridiculous.

            We have a lot in this day and age.

            Food, shelter, international travel, computers, cars, global internet etc etc

            And making the argument that we have nothing and they have everything is absurd.

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          But your right, it’s trying to incite class war.

          Ah yes, it is well known that those fighting back against oppression are in fact the ones inciting war!

          Daddy Husk isn’t going to see you defending him and whisk you away to his castle dear, and you might actually choke if you suck that boot any harder, looks from here like the wannabe edgelord schtick isn’t really paying off… 🤣

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            Well actually I think it could be the Russians trying to destabilise Western culture.

            Or the government trying to distract people from them harvesting our money through taxes.

            Or just to upset people.

            You say people are fighting back, what exactly have they achieved?

            Other than telling people to go and suck on boots LOL

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          Just like how Ukraine incited the new war with Russia by checks notes… by…existing?

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              Yes please tell me how a country minding its own business deserved to be invaded by a hostile nation and civilians killed because of Putin’s choice. Please do explain how to justify this. Also please explain what it has to do with NATO, which wouldn’t have to exist to begin with if Russia didn’t do shit like this.

              Does wanting to join NATO justify invading and killing Ukranians in your world?

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          Horseshit. A few thousand billionaires doesn’t constitute a “class” in a world of billions of people. That’s not a matter of “class,” it’s a fucking oligarchy.

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            Wow you’re pretty angry.

            You should try to be happier, your hate is making you dumb

            It’s not that complicated

            It’s a rich Vs the poor trope.

            It’s trying to incite hate and disillusionment in society.

            Billionaires create many things millions use. Just because they have a lot of money didn’t make them intrinsically bad.

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              I do not hate billionaires for being billionaires. But I’m against a system that unjustly and inefficiently concentrates wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people while basic necessities such as housing become unaffordable because the beneficiaries of that system are turning it into an investment through which extract more wealth from the people below themselves.

              Billionaires create many things millions use. Just because they have a lot of money didn’t make them intrinsically bad.

              To illustrate how bad this argument is. Middle Ages nobles made contributions to society in the form of collecting taxes, managing land and organizing armies. That doesn’t mean that feudalism isn’t a bollocks system nor that you shouldn’t come up with ways of collecting taxes, managing land and organizing armies that don’t incentivize privilege and corruption.

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                I agree that concentrated wealth isn’t an efficient distribution.

                So what can we do, 100% taxes over a million?

                What’s the incentive then to work harder if you earn over a million?

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                  If you’re are literally working so hard that you’re 100 times more productive than someone earning minimum wage, take a vacation. If you don’t want to, it’s clear that money isn’t what motivates you the most when you choose to continue working.

                  Of course, you must be really ignorant to believe that people earn 100 times more than someone earning minimum wage because they’re 100 times more productive. Your capacity to produce is not the same as your capacity to earn money.

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                Billionaires supply most of what we have today.

                They’re entrepreneurs of business.

                They make money because people give it to them for things they want.

                They have so much money because they give people a lot of what they need/want.

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      1. People say that because they don’t know what it feels like. Basically, they’re projecting

      2. Technically one can argue fairly that it doesn’t exist, but that argument would be about semantics. Doing something good for others at the expense of yourself either because it feels good to do, or because somewhere in your brain you think there will be good karma or a celestial reward, well… maybe those aren’t truly “altruism”, but can anybody tell the goddamned difference in the grand scheme of things?

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    To be fair, if I was a billionaire and I had the choice of helping ordinary people or doing something awesome, I would definitely pick to do something awesome. I respect Bill Gates for fighting malaria, but I would go for spaceships or robots.

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      Which is why not you, nor them should have so much money. We need to prevent idiots from doing idiot things by redistributing their wealth.

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        Then everyone will be poor and the civilization will collapse.

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          Oh yeah, cause society totally collapsed in the 1960s when wealth distribution was far more fair than today.

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            Also, the Indigenous peoples in North America did really well with no concept of money until the Europeans came. Some Indigenous communities have lower life expectancy today than was estimated to be before colonization.

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              Well, sorta… from wikipedia:

              On the east coast of North America, Indigenous peoples of the Iroquois Confederacy and Algonquian tribes, such as the Shinnecock tribe, ground beads called wampum, which were cut from the purple part of the shell of the marine bivalve Mercenaria mercenaria, more commonly known as the hard clam or quahog.[2] White beads were cut from the white part of the quahog or whelk shells. Iroquois peoples strung these shells on string in lengths, or wove them in belts.

              The shell most valued by the Native American tribes of the Pacific Coast from Alaska to northwest California was Dentalium, one of several species of tusk shell or scaphopod.[citation needed] The tusk shell is naturally open at both ends, and can easily be strung on a thread. This shell money was valued by its length rather than the exact number of shells; the “ligua”, the highest denomination in their currency, was a length of about 6 inches.[citation needed]

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          Great concentration of wealth is also highly destabilizing. We are seeing this play out before our eyes in real time right now.

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          If it hasn’t collapsed with a few hundred people having more money than the rest of the entire world while also using it for selfish motives, I doubt it would collapse with a fairer distribution. But capitalism shills gotta shill

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            You know which countries are most “equal”? Poor African countries where people can’t even afford fresh water.

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              There are many problems with this argument; but it’s 11pm and I’m sleepy, so have the first one that came to mind.

              Those countries don’t have a lot of wealth per capita to begin with, so it’s not a goddamned equal comparison.

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              Do you know which one was more equal? USA in the 50s and 60s, when the tax rate for rich people ranged from 70% up to 92%. A time period where regular people could also afford to live comfortably (family and house included) with a regular job.

              Sorry, your arguments are just bad and only show your ignorance.

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          There’s a large range between being a billionaire and being poor, silly billy.

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            And there’s a big difference between a society which allows everyone to become a billionaire and a society which forces everyone to be poor.

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          These communists will always think “it’s just never been done properly” trying to reason with them is futile

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            Healthcare and homelessness were both better than the US up until the last decade of the Soviet Union. If capitalism needs it’s boom and bust cycles and we think that 40k+ people dying from joblessness every recession is acceptable surely we can afford the same level of devastation when discussing socialism right?

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      Gates has the money to do both, and more. It’s just sometimes better to let others do it instead— having your own space company means worrying about competition, contracts, and potential profitability. Meanwhile if he wanted, he could hitch a ride on any of their rockets with no effort.

      Musk and Bezos also have the money to do both, but they merely elect not to. Perhaps in the future they will, like Gates, begin funneling more of their effort and wealth into altruism to improve their reputations.

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        I’m an engineer, so my childhood fantasy wasn’t to ride on a rocket, it was to invent a rocket. I did think it would be cool to explore space, but not as a test pilot or a tourist. To be honest, I don’t think I’d go on one of those tourist flights even if it was free - I feel no urge to risk my life just to get a good view of Earth. Being a space colonist would be a different matter - then I’d get to actually use my skills to build stuff.

        (The reason I think this is relevant is that a lot of these tech billionaires were originally engineers too, so I guess they also think like this.)

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      But if it’s something awesome marketed towards saving humanity then do something actually awesome and impactful instead of distracting bullshit like hyperloops and Mars colonies on unrealistic time-frames and self-driving cars instead of public transportation. Endless talk and grand gestures when these people have the resources to really drive improvements/innovations in achievable realistic projects.

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    This is why grass roots is so important.i struggle to believe in anything that isn’t bottom up motivated.

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    I mean if AI keeps getting neutered with misinformation and refusing to use science because it might hurt someone’s feelings then that panel is certainly a reality