I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because “Linux can’t play games” despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.
2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can’t even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.
Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.
Can’t tell if this is a shitpost or not
There’s more linux circlejerk or “windows bad” posts in this community than actual useful ones.
Of all the circlejerks this one is really silly though. You can complain about so many fucking things about Windows but Windows 11 is really damn easy to install and setup and I’m pretty sure you can do it in 30 mins.
The OP’s whining about Linux playing all the games feels like bait to me. Linux just doesn’t run every game that Windows does and it’s not about how graphically intense it is.
Some linux distros are also damn easy to install, easier than windows just try for yourself
It is no competition on whether linux is easier to install when you can run it off a fucking flash drive.
That doesn’t make Windows 11 hard though.
Even for a Windows user Windows 11 is kind of extra. Install is simple as 10 was, but the nice ends there. First thing you notice is all icons are just gone. No recycle bin, the start button isn’t. I only even know because my wife got a couple of laptops from her grandfather. She wanted one just reset. 11 is what she got. I hate it. The other laptop is now purring on Ubuntu. I like it. It’s not what I’m used to, but I have Blender on it and a slicer. I was hoping that Linux music production might be a thing, but nah. So, I also still have to keep my Windows 10 desktop alive, because that’s where my no longer supported Reason 10 lives.
@Pat_Riot @linux @Tak Some of these might be useful:
https://www.tecmint.com/free-music-creation-or-audio-editing-softwares-for-linux/Thanks, that does give me a bit more to check out. I have Ardour and Muse, neither works without more dabbling than I have been in the mood for. Renoise looks interesting, I may try it next. I know I’m just spoiled, but I’m just not interested in trying to speed run the growing pains. I’m fine with baby steps. I sincerely appreciate the link. I bookmarked it for later delving.
I’ve done so many windows 11 installs and always had the recycle bin. I really don’t see the hate for Windows 11 other than the account login shit but most people I know still use Geforce experience and that requires a login.
Linux users on Lemmy: People who don’t run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn’t be using a computer at all!
Also Linux users on Lemmy: Anyone else is unable to install windows from scratch?
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Linux users on Lemmy: People who don’t run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn’t be using a computer at all!
I remember being part of these exact same conversations on other message boards at least 15 years ago.
We’re all going around in circles here as history repeats itself.
Me neither. Linux is my main Operating System but… We can’t generalize one Windows experience just like we can’t generalize one Linux experience.
It’s a lot easier to do the former than the latter. Windows fixes a lot of things about the experience, but maybe not the exact flavoring / theming.
Linux you can’t say anything about the experience besides sweeping generalizations by distro.
I agree with this. I use Linux exclusively at home, but for work I have a windows laptop. It’s really not that bad. I for sure don’t like it as much, but it isn’t atrocious.
It has to be, windows makes it super easy to install so they can get your data faster.
Jokes on them. I
I have found windows is easier to install every time. This is just another windows bad linux good post. Windows has so many issues, but installation is not one of them. Even my 10 year old cousin installs it fine.
In my experience, installation of Win or Lin has been pretty easy. Lin has less options to opt out of (I like) than windows, but windows set everything up just fine. The only time I ever had issues on either is if I try to install without an active ether net connected. If I don’t have the os update during install, I run into random driver issues on either os.
OP:
I run Arch btw
@SloganLessons @PeterPoopshit
Yeah, but by then the “good” version will be available - Windows 12.Alternatively, if your needs could be met by another os e.g. Linux or MacOS then why not migrate to them?
Windows 12 will be a massive hit, just like google stadia.
Windows bad, upvotes to the left
Yeah, I genuinely do not understand having used Windows, Linux, and MacOS. They are making it sound like it’s trying to decipher some unknown language. Even a quick YouTube would have solved how to install a exe.
I cant tell if people in this thread are trolls, ultra elite linux shills, or just people incapable of following simple instructions…
Like I get it, windows bad or w/e… But to act like it takes longer than an hour or two to install it, let alone 2 whole fucking days is just asinine.
Imagine having enough of a skill issue that it takes you 2 days to install Windows OS. The OS that idiot proofs itself by literally holding your hand on every option and walks you through itself to install.
Im not even joking, I re-install and have installed windows the past few years multiple times on personal devices for myself and my family and friends and even do it for professional devices and servers for my job. It is brain dead easy, enough that my tech illiterate grandparents managed to re-install it before I could make the drive to meet them and do it for them… I can’t take this OP or anyone else seriously if they can manage to install a linux based OS but somehow have 2 days worth of trouble with Windows OS…
I was going to say… If it takes you literally 1.5 days to simply install and after 2 days you can’t even launch Steam? I’m sorry, but you have extraordinarily fucked up. Whatever the fuck is happening there is not on Windows. OP, I would love to understand what you were seeing or what was happening. And I also wonder if you are using an actual Windows OS image, or what you tinkered with or ran scripts on to maybe “clean Windows up”. Unfortunately so many of those scripts are also fucking notorious for breaking some Windows functionality, like the Xbox games and what not.
Don’t get me wrong. Windows is becoming worse and worse in both features and performance (AI powered file recommendations in my start menu? get the fuck outta here). But I’m sorry, this complaint in the OP is not it.
I’m sympathetic to a Windows install taking days (I’ve been there), but you’re right that it’s not Windows’ fault. It’s always some 10 year-old hardware with dodgy or no-longer-supported drivers. Maybe you could make an argument that it’s partly Windows’ fault because they push driver support onto the hardware vendors, rather than use Linux’ model of having the kernel developers maintain them.
That’s fair. I guess when they mentioned they were building a PC I assumed it was relatively recent hardware. But I’ve been there when you can’t get or find drivers, or Windows tells you the old drivers aren’t compatible with newer OS’ and things like that.
OP is just wanting to shit on Windows because this is a Linux community.
100%
Lot of problems with the directions windows has gone or is going (cortana finally gone), but people need to chill if they think the OS is unusable or something.
Anecdotally I’m hoping SteamOS continues to progress how it has so there are even more reasons to not depend on Windows.
Yo I forgot about SteamOS! I need to check in on that, thanks for reminding me!
ROFL windows is the easiest thing ever to install. Same with steam.
Sounds like either you’re terrible with computers or you have some serious hardware issues.
Blaming it solely on windows is a joke.
@Coreidan @PeterPoopshit ah, can you install windows without a microsoft-cloud account nowadays ? Please tell me how.
Don’t give it internet access during setup.
Yes, I’ve set up several work computers without internet. You can make a local account on set-up.
It’s kinda funny how many people have no problem at all with a cloud account on their phone but get a mild stroke when Windows asks them to create a Microsoft account.
When it asks you for an email use “no@email.com” and use a random string of characters for the password. Congrats, you can now use a local account on setup.
Or use rufus to create the USB installer, and it will ask if you want to create a local account, and some other things to make installation even easier than it already is.
My answer was more for those stuck on that screen without a second computer to grab another iso on.
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Sounds like you have never installed linux
Well… Not Arch
Have you actually installed Windows in the last decade? I mean from scratch, mind you.
It was a few clicks and leaving my laptop AFK to install. The only semi inconvenient part was finding a way around not using a Microsoft account. Other than that, it’s about as brainless of an installer as it gets. My dog could do it with direction from me.
It takes like 15 minutes to go from bare metal to login. I built my own PC in March and installed Windows from scratch from a USB drive.
@winterayars @Coreidan yep did it the other day just spam no and your done in 10 mins. obvs Linux is easier than that these days but op is overreacting or stupid
Yes, multiple times. It usually go this way:
- the installer starts
- I click on next a few times
- it asks the key
- next
- next
- nextnextnextnext
- the desktop shows up about 20-30 mins later
It’s literally a nightmare.
Yes, it’s part of my job, it’s super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Yes, regularly.
ROFL, I like Linux, but if you can’t install windows 11 easily. The problem isn’t win11…
The problem is you cursed somebody out on Xbox Live in 2018 and now your Microsoft account is banned.
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Windows 11’s installer is a mess on anything but the most vanilla hardware configurations.
For example, I am unable to install Windows 11 on my PC because, for some infuriating reason, it keeps trying to install its bootloader on my SATA HDDs instead of the NVME drive I explicitly tell it to install onto, and then failing. It doesn’t seem like there’s any way forward except to physically disconnect all my SATA drives before installing. One of these days I might need Windows enough to go to that trouble, but right now I’m happy enough single-booting Linux.
Never mind the artificial limitations on TPM configurations. I didn’t need to edit my BIOS settings to install Linux, but Windows threw a little fit.
I recall an issue that started with windows 8 and UEFI where the bootloader would get installed on any HDD instead of the SSD where the operating system would live.
Boot into BIOS, disable the controller for the SATA drives, install on nvme, revert BIOS config.
Unfortunately my MSI BIOS doesn’t let me disable the ports. :(
Nice bait I guess. Windows may have bad things, but I have no idea what you’re talking about here
I’m a daily Linux user and I despise windows, but I have a hard time believing this bullshit. I know it’s fun to fuck on windows, but either you did something crazy wrong or you’re just ranting about something on windows that doesn’t actually exist.
I have a hard time believing you are a daily linux user
Sounds like a skill issue on your behalf.
it feels like i’m still in /g/ with these types of posts
you went on a tirade about “windows bad, linux (aRcH btW!!!) best” without giving us any relevant information to help you with your “issue”, other than the fact that you can game on your linux gaming laptop. you should’ve told that to your family member to at least try and convince them that gaming on linux is acceptable/good, maybe try to educate them about wine/proton and how performance may not be as good and some minor configurations may be needed, but that you could make it work. But nope.
also seriously, i mainly use linux myself, and i know this is a linux community, but we all know that windows “just works”. it is also literally just a point and click on a gui even on the installer, it’s that easy. reflash/rewrite the iso, or get another iso. that is my guess as to what you’re fucking up
This has got to be bait from that user. The third screen is like the keyboard screen. What the heck are they even talking about. 36 hours to still be in the first three screens.
I want to preface this with noting that I 99% agree with you on this, but to be fair Windows “just works” right up until it doesn’t.
What got me off Windows was how frequently all the UWP-powered system apps (like Screenshot Tool, Calculator, etc.) and even core stuff like Explorer would just have some key functionality just break randomly.
Not implying that programs on Linux don’t also just randomly shit themselves, but to pretend that Windows just works is a bit silly.
Windows has it’s serious flaws, and I would never willingly go back to it at this point, but the installer is too hard? This sounds like a you-issue rather than a Windows one.
Compared to same linux distros, it is.
These “Windows bad” posts are the worst thing in the Linux community. I run Windows on my desktop because Games are just far easier and usually run better, and Windows works perfectly fine.
Games just run on my Linux laptop these days. I stopped checking winehq a long time ago.
Yep, most games run fine. But I do still have to check if the anti-cheat supports Linux.
indeed. Anticheats are the last holdouts.
ProtonDB is the first place I go before buying a game, most of the time games work, but there’s a few occasions where I have to change some configurations.
I used to do that too, but I don’t bother anymore. It just works.
I don’t have any issues with performance, just with anticheat not being compatible with my most played games.
So does linux
Definitely a skill issue at play here.
Yeah their K/D must be terrible in windows.
I don’t think “skill” is the right word here. It’s more of a basic competence issue.
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Bruh if you can’t figure out Windows then just give up.
How the fuck does anybody have trouble running Windows these days?
Some OEM’s really fuck up Windows, leaving it in a practically unusable state almost out of the box with the amount of shitware that’s on there.
Additionally, for Windows, some hardware vendors do a poor job of ensuring working drivers get installed by default. Sometimes the wrong, but similar driver gets installed by Windows on a fresh install and it can really bork things up. The same can happen on Linux, but it’s easier to ignore a faulty driver at boot time with Grub and make sure the right one gets loaded. And truthfully I haven’t had to do that since like 2005.
Lol come on dude it’s not that hard.
Sounds like the problem was between the keyboard and chair.
