Summary:
Democrats are becoming increasingly concerned about a possible drop in Black voter turnout for the 2024 presidential election, according to party insiders. The worries arise from a 10% decrease in Black voter turnout in the 2022 midterms compared to 2018, a more substantial decline than any other racial or ethnic group, as per a Washington Post analysis. The decline was particularly significant among younger and male Black voters in crucial states like Georgia, where Democrats aim to mobilize Black voter support for President Biden in 2024.
The Democratic party has acknowledged the need to bolster their outreach efforts to this demographic. W. Mondale Robinson, founder of the Black Male Voter Project, highlighted the need for Democrats to refocus their attention on Black male voters, who have shown lower levels of engagement. In response, Biden’s team has pledged to communicate more effectively about the benefits that the Black community has reaped under Biden’s administration, according to Cedric L. Richmond, a senior advisor at the Democratic National Committee.
However, Black voter advocates have identified deep-seated issues affecting Black voter turnout. Many Black men reportedly feel detached from the political process and uninspired by both parties’ policies. Terrance Woodbury, CEO of HIT Strategies, a polling firm, suggests that the Democratic party’s focus on countering Trump and Republican extremism doesn’t motivate younger Black men as much as arguments focused on policy benefits. Concerns are growing within the party that if they fail to address these issues, disenchanted Black voters might either abstain or, potentially, be swayed by Republican messaging on certain key issues.
Maybe… Maaaaaayyyyyyybeeeee the Democrats need to nominate someone who is actually worth getting excited about instead of just being not-Trump.
Because if voters are excited, they may start voting in primaries…
Every since Obama beat Clinton 15 years ago, party leaders seem more motivated to make sure their pick wins the primary than a Democrat winning the general.
“Moderates” seem ineffictive because they’re not trying to just win, they’re trying to win by as little as possible. Like a corrupt pro athlete who’s not throwing the game, but trying to win by less than the spread.
They know the reason most people vote for moderates like Biden, is if they don’t, someone like trump would win. It’s just the party leaders would rather trade back and forth than let Dems like FDR win every election for decades.
Ever since Obama beat Clinton 15 years ago
Jesus I thought you were exaggerating and then I did the math
If you think that’s bad:
Biden’s first presidential primary was 35 years ago…
He was the expected front runner due mainly to his (at the time) exceptional public speaking but got caught plagiarizing speeches, lying about his grades in law school, and even people finding out he cheated while in law school by plagiarising papers.
But everyone forgot about all that because he spent 8 years standing next to Obama. And the only reason he got that job was to make old white people less uncomfortable voting for a Black guy.
That’s a great way to put it. Both parties are funded by dark money interests, one drives us to the right and the other keeps us in place. This is described as the ratchet effect
and millions are claiming the democrats are radicals, little do they know that the country was more progressive on certain fronts 50 years ago. So they have to resort to blaming gays and trans, because everything else about the current staye of the country is kinda right-wingy to begin with.
Hell, Republicans 50 years ago were more progressive than the Dems are today.
Anyone “worth getting excited about” is going to challenge the status quo too much - even nominally - for the DNC to be okay with it. They are conservative in the descriptive sense. “No-one’s standard of living will fundamentally change.”
I get that we have many problems that aren’t really being actively solved, but personally I’ve been pretty happy with this return-to-status-quo term as compared to the previous non-status-quo term… and right now the narcissistic traitor is leading the nomination polls.
You’ve been pretty happy with status quo have you? Great, love that for you. Sounds like being apathetic to the problems is working out for you specifically. I certainly wouldn’t want you to have to think about the enormous numbers of disenfranchised, poor and minority people who overwhelmingly don’t turn out to vote because they don’t see a real difference in their lives between parties and the dems aren’t doing anything to prove to them why they should care. That sounds like it wouldn’t be comfortable for you, and that’s the top priority here.
You’ve been pretty happy with status quo have you?
I’ve been pretty happy with this return-to-status-quo term as compared to the previous non-status-quo term
Context matters. If you take my words out of context, then you aren’t actually addressing what I said, you’re addressing a straw man. Or did you intend to imply that you were happier with the previous president?
And this is putting words in my mouth:
Sounds like being apathetic to the problems is working out for you specifically.
But never mind your flawed approach to debate, let’s actually take a look at what’s been done during Biden’s time in office:
The bill’s economic-relief provisions are overwhelmingly geared toward low-income and middle-class Americans, who will benefit from (among other provisions) the direct payments, the bill’s expansion of low-income tax credits, child-care subsidies, expanded health-insurance access, extension of expanded unemployment benefits, food stamps, and rental assistance programs.
“Historians, economists and engineers interviewed by The Associated Press welcomed Biden’s efforts. But they stressed that $1 trillion was not nearly enough to overcome the government’s failure for decades to maintain and upgrade the country’s infrastructure.”
The Inflation Reduction Act is the largest piece of federal legislation ever to address climate change.
Since the May 2020 onshoring of TSMC used by Under Secretary of State Keith J. Krach as a catalyst for the bill and to secure the U.S. semiconductor supply chain, a significant number of companies and a list of ecosystem suppliers have committed or made announcements for investments and jobs in the US.
“Nine months ago, President Joe Biden signed a sweeping bipartisan gun law, the most significant legislative response to gun violence in decades.[…]Several months in, the law has had some success: Stepped-up FBI background checks have blocked gun sales for 119 buyers under the age of 21, prosecutions have increased for unlicensed gun sellers and new gun trafficking penalties have been charged in at least 30 cases around the country. Millions of new dollars have flowed into mental health services for children and schools.” [reference]
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Reuniting children with their families who were separated by Trump’s border control policies
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Oh yeah, and more than $75 billion in support for Ukraine
In fact, Biden’s track record is pretty good overall. So every single problem hasn’t been solved in 2.5 years, at least there’s been progress. And did you forget that Biden inherited the country in a crisis which Trump massively bungled? You’re like a poster child for letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
I could compile a similar list of their failures if I cared to. This is just a gish gallop.
Here’s one: Hillary’s campaign directly promoted the extreme far right leading directly to Trump’s victory in 2016.
In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.
That’s not “good”, that’s “enabling fascism”. Absolute clown shit.
If you have to compare them to outright fascists to say they are comparatively “good”, that’s not a great look, but even then you can’t ignore when they do shit like this. You can’t hide behind their supposed good intentions either. They nearly threw 2020 by pushing Biden into everyone’s faces like a wet fart and saying, “At least it’s not a torrent of diarrhea! Vote for the wet fart please!”
I never told anyone not to vote as far left as was practical - which in the US means voting Dem. I am simply pointing out the reality that the most disenfranchised people in the US don’t even vote. Not voting isn’t a sign of privilege, thinking voting will change anything is a sign of privilege, because it means you’re in the increasingly small minority that might see any change from it.
You say I’m letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, but you actively defend mediocrity from any and all criticism because you can’t see past the false dichotomy you’ve been presented with. If I want my kids to leave the park, I don’t say, “We’re leaving now,” I say, “Do you want to leave in 5 minutes or 10?” and they respect the results, even though I invented the entire spectrum of possibility for them. The two party system has done the same thing to you.
It doesn’t matter why you’re happy with the status quo, what matters is that you are defending the status quo. That makes you functionally conservative. Just because there are other conservatives that are worse by comparison doesn’t change that.
You might want to consider that millions of people know the kinds of ideas you want put forward and just think those are bad ideas
You might want to consider that US democracy is functionally an oligarchy and doesn’t reflect the will of the people: https://archive.org/details/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc
i doubt it. i bet they think what the cia wants them to think about it, but knowledge is a justified true belief, and my bet is that they believe a lot of things about those ideas that just aren’t true.
Some of those accomplishments are worth celebrating, but:
A competent response to COVID-19
lol are you kidding? The only countries on Earth with a competent response to COVID were New Zealand, South Korea, and China.
Supporting domestic manufacturing of semiconductors
This is just tradewar bullshit with China. I work in manufacturing so I’m not against seeing more investment in my sector, but like, this isn’t about making good American jobs. It’s only about preparing for the inevitable war over Taiwan.
Also for Democrat voters. I don’t want a Bernie/Williamson/RFK candidate. I want the candidate I voted in as President in 2020
Sorry, the do-something machine is broke. Best we can do is partially fossilized C-Suite moderates.
Well, what if we put RFK Jr beside them, does that make them seem any better?
Well, now you’re just being unreasonable.
Not being trump is enough for me. Sure, I’d love someone better. But I’d vote for a wooden brick if it meant america wouldn’t turn into a dictatorship.
Or maybe you need to understand that the down ticket races are more important than the presidency?
Change in the US starts at the bottom. Not the top.
Fuck the presidency. Just vote for the candidate that isn’t going to burn the country down.
You want real change? Real progressivism? Vote progressives into local offices. Your young, progressive education board member today is your congressional rep tomorrow. Your congressional rep today is your presidential hopeful tomorrow.
Let the status quo dems toss whatever geriatric they want at the presidency and vote them in so we don’t get another trump, or worse, a president desantis or something.
Presidents don’t often push new laws anyway. You want to change the country? Help take the House and the Senate. As long as the president is the same party they’re not going to veto progressive legislation.
I was about to write something like your comment.
You want real change? Real progressivism? Vote progressives into local offices
Show up to every local election. Pay attention at the local level. Use your passion against the two party system to get third-party candidates elected to your state house.
Maybe… Maaaaaayyyyyyybeeeee the left voters need to actually show up to vote.
Now everyone is going to say they voted in a presidential election, possibly even a primary which makes them a rarity! Those aren’t what we’re talking about. The right has made it a point to vote on everything even as small as schoolboards so the only people voting in the tiny little races are the right wing rage crowd or the centrists who are being pulled to the right. Yes, the presidential vote matters, but frankly those lower down votes mean a lot more and if you watch how the Republican primaries are going, shows exactly how much power that batch that will show up has over a party.
This shit right here. Both times I was exited for a candidate he got thrown out because the party leaders didn’t like him, first with Hillary, and then with Biden. I’m just going to continue to vote for not-trump because I know how bad it will be but I don’t want any centrist democrat almost as much as I dont want trump.
I’m convinced he was picked because “it was his time”
I don’t think that was the main reason.
IMO, Biden was nominated because he was a fairly uncontroversial (by mainstream sensibilities anyway) white male candidate who also isn’t that attached to many positions that would threaten the powers that be.
Biden is a weather vane that swings in accordance to the winds. Which is all that was needed to beat a historically unpopular candidate like Trump. Thankfully, Trump is such a bad option that even Biden can be a palatable candidate.
Why this fossil didn’t bend the knee and allow another younger, more exciting candidate step up for 2024 is beyond me though. But I guess seeing the average age and mental capability of Congress, it shouldn’t be surprising. IMO, everyone over the age of 65 should be ineligible for elected office. They are at retirement age, and have no real, justifiable stake in the future. They should retire with the knowledge they won life and can live out the rest of their days in comfort and leave running the country to people who have skin in the game and the energy/mental faculties to actually play it.
Biden joining + everyone else dropping out was the last hope the establishment had to kneecap Bernie, and it fucking worked
That almost makes it sound like we live in an autocracy and not a democracy when the party picks who’s running and not the voters…
Well they have argued in court on the public record that they owe their members no expectation of democracy.
Do people really believe this garbage?
The other candidates dropped out because Biden blew them out of the water in South Carolina and his campaign picked up momentum from there. A number of candidates effectively had their campaigns ended in South Carolina because it was clear they couldn’t secure the crucial black vote.
This is normal. It has happened in primaries for decades. Candidates drop out as it becomes obvious they don’t have a pathway to victory and the field narrows.
It’s not some absurd conspiracy.
Bernie’s strategy of only winning a plurality and not expanding his base was a total failure.
Bernie’s didn’t have working class or minority support. Hence his heavy defeats in places like Michigan.
You’re gonna hurt their feelings.
I voted Bernie but this is absolutely true. I mean, he himself said his campaign was resting on young progressives coming out to vote for him and guess what? They did what all the people in here are doing- bitch and then NOT VOTE.
Does anyone wonder why “the establishment” doesn’t pay attention to progressive attitudes? It’s because progressives don’t fucking show up every. single. time. like other blocs. They bitch all the goddamn time but refuse to participate if their version of Santa Claus isn’t running. The truth of it is that you need to get involved and push the ideas and people you want and if they fail to get the primary nod, then you still vote to advance your goals as far as you can (ie. the moderate Democrat.) If they do get the nod (a la AOC) then you keep fielding more and more candidates. Look how they have pushed the convo further left already.
Someone best explained it as “you’re going 10 blocks north. One taxi will take you 5 blocks, the other takes you 10 blocks south of where you’re at. Do you just not take either? Or do you at least go 5 blocks north.” Also because if you don’t vote to go 5 blocks north, guess what? You’re going 10 blocks south. Great job- even further from your goal.
But no- I’m sure after years and years and years of sitting out and complaining on the sidelines, surely the Dems will come to their senses and go “hey- why don’t we run someone completely far left so maybe these people who refuse to ever come out might show up.” Sure, that’ll do it. That’s worth betting the farm on- run someone that is essentially progressive Jesus and risk alienating every voter who does show up every single time.
Biden won because black women liked him and they actually go out and vote in the primaries, unlike the louts in this thread who are literally talking about how they won’t vote.
Why this fossil didn’t bend the knee and allow another younger, more exciting candidate step up for 2024 is beyond me though.
Probably because the geriatrics fucked two whole generations of politicians by not stepping down when they should have.
Gen X and millennials don’t have enough horses in the race with the experience necessary to run for president because they got fucked by the boomers.
We’re going to be in for an exciting ride over the next two decades as something like 40% of Congress retires or dies in office without anyone with experience available to replace them.
And this is on both sides.
He won because they weren’t going to allow Bernie Sanders to win
Well…maybe it will be his time and we will get Harris. We can dream I guess.
Your dream is Harris?! Shit, no. No, no, no.
My hope is that Biden is staying in the race until the 11th hour to be the lightening rod and the dems have someone better to step in.
Of course, that would require some intestinal fortitude and a few brain cells and I don’t think the dem leadership has that.
Literally no one wants Harris. She’s completely un-electable.
Or maybe grow up and realize that political offices and the people that fill them shouldn’t be “exciting”. Maybe the problem is that we all want someone exciting… With no regard for competence.
“I’d have a beer with him.” Who gives a fuck???
Problem is that you need to convince tens of millions of people to grow up. I think this chap here is merely suggesting we give the idiots what they want.
Candidates that will the whole party will find exciting are basically a once in a generation event, if that. This generation’s such candidate was Obama. Democrats as a party are reliant on far too big of a tent to make this a viable strategy or thought process.
A candidate that I, a far left progressive, would get excited about is a candidate that a lot of center-of-left or moderate voters would find boring. Even within wings of the party there’s not going to be lockstep excitement (go back to Dec 2019 and ask Sanders supporters how “excited” they’d be for a Warren candidacy!).
This line of argument is consistently just people pining for candidates that more closely reflect our own ideological views, not a reflection of the reality available to us. There was no such candidate in 2016 or 2020 and won’t be for 2024. I’m not going to hold my breath for 2028 either. Maybe by 2032 we might see the next Obama, someone that excites the whole party.
I gave you an upvote because I agree with the spirit of your message. However, I would like to remind you that if the DNC hadn’t literally rigged the system against Bernie Sanders in 2016 that we more than likely would not be where we are today.
There was a HUGE amount of grassroots support behind Bernie (the most in modern American history), and the Democrats burned a lot of goodwill with voters by shoe-horning Hillary in as the heir apparent. There has never been a candidate that bridged the gap the way Bernie did in my lifetime, and that one single decision did incalculable damage to the world.
I will gladly vote for Biden because I know it is a moral imperative to do so, and I am not a moron. I am also not trying to take away from his legislative victories because I believe they warrant more merit than they have received. However, I will not easily forgive or forget the chicanery, underhanded closed door attempts at king-making, and generally coercive tactics utilized by the DNC that got us here.
The support for Bernie wasn’t even just in the Democratic party. Young moderates and even a few conservatives I knew were excited about him.
That’s exactly what I meant when I said he bridged the gap. Every single person I knew from every walk of life in my state were Bernie supporters including a surprising number of rural voters, moderates, and younger conservatives as you said in your post. I have just never seen anyone who’s messaging was so effective at bringing so many different people together over solution oriented propositions on the issues.
Nothing has ever jaded me as much politically as watching what the DNC did to Bernie. The amount of fear they had over a candidate who was able to muster legitimate support from a heterodox voter base was very telling, and it shaped my political views more than any other experience in my life.
Yeah, many of whom went on to vote for Donald Trump in the general election.
It’s “great” that he had so much “moderate” support, but if it had anything whatsoever to do with his actual policy views, so many of them wouldn’t have stayed home or voted Trump.
They just shifted that excitement from Bernie to Trump, because it has nothing to do with policy. They ultimately made things worse by poisoning the well against Hillary.
These aren’t the kind of people you want to court.
I disagree. If he had won the primary, those would have been voters for him instead of Trump, and I truly believe he would have won, or at least been more competitive than Hillary. People misjudged the mood of the voters badly prior to that election.
Huge Bernie fan. Voted for him in the primary.
But can we please stop pushing this bullshit agitprop designed to divide Democrats and progressives?
Political parties aren’t government organizations, they’re private companies. Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat, and even though he often caucuses with them, he’s been very outspoken against the Democratic party. Why would anyone ever think that the DNC would do anything to promote him over Hillary?
Even with all of that said, Bernie still came pretty damn close, and the DNC didn’t “shoe-horn” anyone in. Hillary got more votes, it’s time to get over it.
It will only last a few more years, but in the near-ish future the problem will take care of itself. (They’re both very old)
Henry Kissinger is still alive.
I’d rather we nominate someone who is electable, i.e., palatable to centrists, even if they’re not as exciting as someone who would move the Overton window leftwards.
What if is instead of focusing on a vanishingly small number of centrist swing voters, you focused on the 35% of non-voters by improving their material conditions?
The majority of non-voters believe there is no material difference between candidates. Improving candidates is not going to fix that. The problem is lower level civic engagement rather than “Pick a more leftist candidate.”
Psh…no. That would never work. /s
Biden may not be exciting, but he’s had a surprising amount of policy victories given the deadlock in congress. And he hasn’t tried to burn our democracy to the ground to satisfy his own ego, so that’s always a plus.
That’s because democracy was burnt to the ground awhile ago and all that’s left are corporate shills.
From a non-US standpoint this is rather easy:
You have 2 geriatric options. Option 1 would lead to a dictatorship. Option 2 would lead to the - non-ideal - status quo.
How the fuck do you even have to think about which option would be better???
The Dems have ran non ideal status quo candidates for so long it becomes fatiguing so people stay home or write in Snoop Dogg.
While I totally understand the frustration - apathy cannot be a solution in this scenario!
You’d rather sit at home and watch your democracy go up in flames than just make an “x” on a piece of paper or a screen? Seriously, come on man…
Last non-ideal Dem for President was… Kerry?
non-ideal over violent civil war
this is not a tough decision, my friend
Exactly. I live in America and I can’t believe the stupidity of some of these comments like “well because they’re running Joe Biden I won’t vote waaaah!” Ok, then enjoy your dictatorship? It culturally is the worst thing I hate about being here.
But if you don’t consider Trump the absolute threat that he is, you just stay home. When I thought there was no way he’d win (2016) I didn’t vote for Hilary because I hate her. I voted for Biden because the threat had become real.
Dems are correctly assessing that there are still people who see Trump as a clown show rather than a future dictator.
Easy is subjective. The choice is obvious but having to vote for someone you know doesn’t represent most of us isn’t easy. It’s a hard thing that we have to do. Nobody is thinking about what option to vote for here. We’re grieving the decision that’s already been made for us because there’s no acceptable alternative. But thanks for your contributions. It’s always so very helpful when people that don’t even live our lives roll up to state the obvious.
Because the status quo at this point will also kill millions, just slower.
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I just don’t bother voting. We need a large majority of eligible voters, those who actually don’t believe in the system, to stop showing up. When the tide goes out, we can all see who’s swimming naked.
I’m not from the US either, but I’m pretty sure there’s a third choice - staying home.
I was mostly referring to the (likely) candidates as options, but yes, sadly you are right. Doesnt help that by design it is more difficult to vote for certain groups than others. Still. If I had to take a day off and risk my job by doing so - It would be worth it to prevent a dictatorship!
That’s a vote for Hitler V2
First of all, not voting is, by definition, not a vote for anyone or anything. Second, the right to vote always includes the right to not vote for any of the given choices.
Sure. But failure to vote against Hitler is supporting fascism.
What does it say about the democratic party that they praise this system, uphold it, and use it as a cudgel to shame people into voting for them? Top democratic members, including biden, claim that we need a strong republican party. Why do we need a strong fascist party? To scare people into voting for the democrats who are republican-lites, of course.
They mean a strong opposition party without fascists. The Rs are led by an actual Nazi who has stated his desire to obliterate all who oppose him If that’s not enough to motivate you, it means you’re okay with it.
fuckin find a decent nominee then
In 2020 there were double digits dems in the primary…
In 2024 we’re expected to believe the only choice is Biden or a Republican.
If you’re pissed “there’s no other nominee” be mad at the party leaders who aren’t allowing a primary. And realize there’s 100s of people qualified to run as a Dem
Double digit nominees…that all lost to Biden.
We gonna drag them up again? So they can lose again?
… That’s what a primary is for. So people can, like, actually choose.
There are a LOT of people who don’t want Biden for another four years. There are people who didn’t like him, but have warmed up to him.
Would he win a primary? Yeah, probably, because of incumbent advantage.
But that should be for people to decide.
Cool. The requirements to force a debate are all posted publicly. Find someone who wants to stop Biden’s policies and run them.
Fun fact: if an incumbent President has a Primary, they are exponentially more unlikely to win the Presidency again as it can easily be spun into a “vote of no confidence” narrative.
You mean like one that already beat Trump once?
Maybe one that isn’t older than average life expectancy already let alone after another term. Just an idea.
Cool, if that candidate showed up in 2020 I would have voted for them. As things stand I’ll go with the most viable one that’s most likely to defeat fascism. That means the incumbent, Biden. I don’t care if he’s elderly.
I mean, I agree. If I were from the US I would also be voting for Biden. But it’s a really sad state of affairs there isn’t a better option. The system is ridiculous.
As an American, I’ll be the first to talk about the inadequacies in our electoral system, especially for President. However, I don’t think the tradition of incumbents getting the ‘benefit of the doubt’ and skipping a primary are a problem. They also aren’t part of the ‘system’, that is entirely the choice of the DNC. Presidents are limited to two 4 year terms, so why not run back-to-back? It works most of the time.
The rest of the system is fucked.
The DNC choosing the candidate is absolutely part of the overall system. If that’s how it works, that’s how it works.
Which, is ridiculous. Maybe it makes sense this term but the fact he ran last time also makes no sense to me.
A country of 300 million people and the senile are in charge, like dude there are far better people for that job, just retire already.
Is that ageist? Yes and I stand by it. People over 70 and certainly those over 80 are in mental decline. This is just the reality. Why have a leader in mental decline? Absolutely wild to me it really is.
Can’t defeat fascism with enablers of fascism.
If the DNC didn’t say there would be no primary on day 1 then we might have actually been able to see people step forward. Marianne Williamson is at least running on the issues and is physically capable of having a two hour conversation. Biden… not so much
Marianne Williamson, the pseudoscience and conspiracy nutter that helped convince a bunch of people with HIV that medicine doesn’t work and praying and willpower would cure them instead?
I don’t know why they’re so content to hitch themselves to terrible candidates. I’ve never in my life voted Republican, and the last time I was excited about a democratic nominee was Obama (RIP young idealistic me). Hillary had more baggage than a travelling circus, and felt a lot like just dead ass casting a vote for Goldman Sachs to run the oval office; Primary Biden made Jeb Bush seem like a live wire, besides not really having much to get excited about on his platform. Bernie was basically the only exciting thing the democrats have had going in soon to be over a decade now. The part has to do better.
They had a lot of what I considered exciting candidates in the primaries; Yang, Sanders, and Warren come to mind. They didn’t win because they weren’t as viable or popular.
Williamson is a nutcase, and Kennedy is a racist anti-vaxxer. How about we get a serious candidate or two?
As if Biden wasn’t already a serious candidate with a provable winning record.
Biden is clearly the better option and it shows by how much money the Republicans and the far right are dumping into “Democratic candidates” like RFK Jr and Dr. Cornell West. Which is also why the Right wingers and their “Democratic” proxies are the only ones trying to push for a democratic primary that would set a new precedent by primarying an incumbent Democratic President.
The only person this infighting about these unqualified challengers to Biden helps is Trump or whatever MAGA loyalist that replaces him once Trump finally winds up in prison. (Hopefully)
Capable of a two hour conversation maybe, but a strong candidate? Not even close
I think if there was a regular debate schedule it could have gotten interesting. But with the way it is now, you’re absolutely correct
I think Dem debates would absolutely help to hold Biden to more progressive positions but no one worth the limelight is running (I’m sure partially due to not holding an open primary). I think '28 is Newsome’s race to lose. He’s got name recognition and is a pretty good debater in conservative spaces so far. Not as progressive as I’d like but I’ve been saying that since I could vote
He has definitely been positioning himself for it. The insulin moves are welcome, but the fact he let a single payer bill expire after promising to pass it leaves an all too familiar sting. But perhaps he can at least be moved on reducing prices for more pharmaceuticals and descheduling marijuana due to its legalization in CA. We’ll see.
Federal ban on single-family zoning.
I’d vote for him
I always viewed Biden as the lemon I suck on to cleanse my palette between courses, now they want the lemon to be the whole damn meal.
Loyal democrat, I will happily vote for Joe Biden.
The Democrats lost me when than ran Hillary over Bernie.
We will never get a progressive with the two party system. We are just voting hard R vs centrist R at this point.
Yup, better give up! /s
I was disappointed too, but there’s only one party fighting for what I value, so they get my vote.
I don’t think the Greens will win though.
Fuck the greens. Their leadership takes gop cash to help split the left vote.
You can’t vote for moon shot candidates in a first past the post election system. All that ever does is help the candidate you don’t want.
If you want to see change, you have to volunteer. Change starts at the bottom. Not at the top.
They also almost never run candidates for lower office. How about trying for mayor before president, Green Party?
i don’t want either the democrat or the republican candidate, so i’ll be voting green. at least i plan to. i suppose i could be swayed if one of the parties nominated someone who aligned with jill stein/cornel west.
Then you’re voting authoritarian.
Don’t fool yourself. The math behind FPtP voting doesn’t end any other way if you vote 3rd party.
i only vote for people I want to win. get your candidate to say what I like, and you will get my vote
And when they do, we get stuff like former green party Sinema killing the first climate change bill that could pass in a generation.
Sorry, my reply was just a quick reaction trying to highlight that neither dems nor reps fight for their voters.
Bernie voters were statistically unreliable at the polls. He lost that one and isn’t running this cycle, so what is the relevance?
When the polls were skewed in hillarys favor they would seem unreliable
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I’m honestly surprised at this is such a popular take. You know how your country works right? How the Supreme Court works?
If nothing else, is your Ideological purity worth 4 years of conservative (read batshit crazy fundies) appointments to the federal bench?
From where I’m standing, outside your political system, it seems like a colossally stupid argument. Unless of course you are agitating for the fundies.
Just go vote Democrat. Then lie about it to your friends if you have to, and hope they do the same.
Politics are a bus stop. They don’t get you exactly to where you want to go but they’ll get you close. I was very bummed about the Bernie situation and wish we had an actual left party but I’ll vote Democrat.
In general, yes.
But especially now, refusing to vote strategically when the other major party nominee is a known authoritarian that already (among other things) tried to violently overthrow the constitutional order, seems just insane to me.
You don’t have too put up lawn signs or phone bank or whatever. Just hold your nose and tick the box of the major party candidate guy that is not an active threat democracy.
tick the box of the major party candidate guy that is not an active threat democracy.
i don’t think there’s going to be one.
Oh come off it.
oh, you think biden’s pentagon is spreading democracy in Africa?
Hillary beat Bernie by 3 million votes
I’m 40+, but youngsters are probably thinking, ‘Vote for old white guy #1 or old white guy #2, who cares, neither can relate.’ I voted for Joe last time only because Bernie wasn’t running. I’m thinking Marianne Williamson this time, though. I don’t know if Joe will make it, and I definitely don’t want Kamala as president. She put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.
You can’t run on having people vote for you just to avoid voting in the enemy. You must get people to vote for you because they want you. One day, a broadly populist Reagan-like Republican candidate will re-appear and he will utterly destroy your country.
Lesser evilism does nothing but make it easier for the next populist to take advantage of the dissonance between the American citizen and the American political institutions. If we keep voting for bad candidates they will keep giving us bad candidates.
Then maybe get a better candidate? I’m pretty sure most sane Americans will vote for anyone not Trump. It’s not that hard, just use another candidate…
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so while I’m sure this is a factor it really has to be pointed out that the media really wants to play shit up to keep the batshit GOP viable. It sells papers (clicks, whatever). The WaPo is bad, but when you look at NYT columns it really skews right in a weird and alarming way
As someone who voted Barr-Romney-Johnson-Biden I’m gonna be in the booth pissed I’m voting for Biden again considering the libertarians fully lost the plot and Republicans went full fascist with trump
It’s pretty obvious who to vote for considering Republicans are actively attacking our country. Sorry, I don’t vote for terrorists.
God, they really think the problem is a lack of outreach and communication huh?
How about y’all fuckn listen?
Are you surprised?
Neoliberals want to run the country like a corporation, and they’ve been running the party like it was for decades. It’s why the most important thing they care about is fundraising.
Whether they do anything or not once elected isn’t something they’re worried about. They just worry about how to keep getting donations.
So yeah. To them the biggest problem is outreach and communication
Neoliberals want to run the country like a corporation, and they’ve been running the party like it was for decades. It’s why the most important thing they care about is fundraising. Whether they do anything or not once elected isn’t something they’re worried about. They just worry about how to keep getting donations.
That’s because candidates care about winning, and fundraising correlates to victory most of the time, (>70%.)
The candidate who spends the most usually wins. This trend is stronger in the House than the Senate but applies in both chambers.
Because both parties care the most about fundraising, and they’re the only two options…
If it’s a good candidate, donations will follow. If all you care about is the donations, you’re always going to fighting voter apathy.
Which is exactly what’s been happening
Someone being so passionately wrong is kind of adorable ngl
Unfortunately I think this is everything running just as intended. They get to stay in power because the other guys are actually insane, and they don’t actually have to do anything. What’s the worst that can happen? The Republicans win? The rich (them) will just keep getting richer babyyy, just like always. And they provide democrats with really good campaign material, again, without actually having to do anything.
Democrats only lose if the Democrats beat themselves. And they seem to be trying to do that.
