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Lemmy.world Hexbear Statement - Lemmy.world
lemmy.worldYesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The
announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770
[https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770]. After reviewing the thread and the
comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our
rules. Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here
[https://lemmy.world/legal]. The announcement included several concerning
statements, as highlighted below: - “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking
to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to
engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda.
Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will
pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.” - “The
West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the
World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people
living both inside and outside of their imperial core.” - “These organizations
constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we
are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the
Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will
occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and
discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.” The rhetoric
and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western
propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no
intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are
posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology. In addition,
several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not
be respected.
Here are some examples: >“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades,
that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on
the wider fediverse.” >“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must
unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set
them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.” -
https://lemmy.world/comment/121850 [https://lemmy.world/comment/121850] -
https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168 [https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168] -
https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084 [https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084] -
https://lemmy.world/comment/171595 [https://lemmy.world/comment/171595] -
https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500
[https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500] Overall community comments: -
https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128
[https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128] -
https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086
[https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086] -
https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828
[https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828] To clarify, for those who have
inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are
currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based
on similar comments Hexbear has made. - https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656
[https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559
[https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170
[https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529
[https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529] Defederation should only be considered as
a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive
outcomes can be expected. We made the decision to preemptively defederate from
Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with
our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our
community.
Get a load of this guy. Apparently, putting forward “beliefs and ideology” are against their code of conduct.
His comment about blocking lemmygrad don’t seem that bad to me, it’s getting a bit annoying seeing lost dotworlders thinking they’re the first one to ever say “communism bad.”
It’s unfortunate but not surprising to see the idea of federation falling apart at the first signs of divergence from western liberal heterodoxy. One I suppose problem with the idea of free association instead of a dictatorship (admins of centralized website) is that people are going to squabble. You’re going to have de-federations over this and over drama between admin teams, accusations, counter-accusations, differences in opinion on slightly different matters.
The fediverse is a grand idea I’m just not sure our present society can work very well with it. People are going to end up needing a bunch of different accounts which is inconvenient and hurts adoption because of that inconvenience, the reason why FB and such remain big is the network effect, first mover advantage, etc, (something people doing these things pretend to care about now but will less as time goes on). That does bring us back to early internet forum culture at worst which is a step forward in some ways from what we had but meh.
We have to face we’ll never have back what we had on gzd on reddit, a captive audience who couldn’t help but see our stuff shoved in their faces by an algorithm while the admins were too busy deleting references to the fact spez gives awards to pedophiles and likes slavery to notice most goings on.
We can have our space full of Marxists and that’s good enough for me. Lots of spam and liberals from Lemmy world coming here, to be honest I’m pretty sure we get 90% of the brigading from their side and they might get 10%. Though that’s probably a bad term, it’s 90% them seeing our posts and organically coming over in disorganized fashion to disagree and post stuff and 10% our users doing the same with their stuff. No malice or organized campaigns involved or needed.