A climax is supposed to be the turning point of the story, where the conflict is resolved.
You’re saying the actual story is this old man who’s barely in the movie realizing that life sucks. And this point in the story, where literally nothing happens on screen, is the resolution of the conflict of him not exactly realizing that life sucks.
Ugh. That’s not complex or deep. It’s oblique and pretentious.
The definition of a climax is “the most intense, exciting, or important point of something; a culmination or apex.”
That scene is obviously not intense or exciting. It’s only the most important part of this hidden plotline that’s even more off-screen than Llewelyn’s death since it only takes place in the mind of a character who’s barely in the movie, who has no agency and no part of the actual events shown on screen.
It’s insufferable. The things you’re saying (which I was already aware of, to be clear) make the movie worse, not better.
Even if I was super into this extremely boring theme, it doesn’t preclude the rest of the movie from containing a well-told story. And even if I went into the movie convinced that the Coens are geniuses and ready to forgive every other thing, voiceover exposition talking about symbolism-laden dreams is always going to be lazy writing.
I won’t watch it again. I’m not trying to reevaluate it. I didn’t miss anything. I just don’t think it’s any good.
You still don’t get it lol. In 5 years you’re going to feel silly about this whole thing when it clicks.
the most intense, exciting, or important point of something; a culmination or apex."
All scenes built up to that moment. You didn’t notice it.
extremely boring theme
All themes are boring if you write them down. Movies justify themes.
it doesn’t preclude the rest of the movie from containing a well-told story
I rewatched the movie last night, and every scene is critical. It is an very focused script. Each scene creates the next.
where literally nothing happens on screen
If you started watching that scene without the context of the rest of the film, you would say nothing happens.
I didn’t miss anything
I went water skiing with some friends a few months ago. One of their sons couldn’t figure it out. He blamed the waves to the speed of the boat or the skis. He wouldn’t admit he was wrong and would get angry at us for trying to help.
My impression is that you continue to not understand the movie. If you did understand it, even if you disliked it, you would still appreciate how tight the script is, or how realistic the action is at least, or to understand how a character with less screen time could be the focus of the story. I meant it when I said in 5 years something will click and you’ll get it.
That’s the worst climax ever.
A climax is supposed to be the turning point of the story, where the conflict is resolved.
You’re saying the actual story is this old man who’s barely in the movie realizing that life sucks. And this point in the story, where literally nothing happens on screen, is the resolution of the conflict of him not exactly realizing that life sucks.
Ugh. That’s not complex or deep. It’s oblique and pretentious.
The definition of a climax is “the most intense, exciting, or important point of something; a culmination or apex.”
That scene is obviously not intense or exciting. It’s only the most important part of this hidden plotline that’s even more off-screen than Llewelyn’s death since it only takes place in the mind of a character who’s barely in the movie, who has no agency and no part of the actual events shown on screen.
It’s insufferable. The things you’re saying (which I was already aware of, to be clear) make the movie worse, not better.
Even if I was super into this extremely boring theme, it doesn’t preclude the rest of the movie from containing a well-told story. And even if I went into the movie convinced that the Coens are geniuses and ready to forgive every other thing, voiceover exposition talking about symbolism-laden dreams is always going to be lazy writing.
I won’t watch it again. I’m not trying to reevaluate it. I didn’t miss anything. I just don’t think it’s any good.
You still don’t get it lol. In 5 years you’re going to feel silly about this whole thing when it clicks.
All scenes built up to that moment. You didn’t notice it.
All themes are boring if you write them down. Movies justify themes.
I rewatched the movie last night, and every scene is critical. It is an very focused script. Each scene creates the next.
If you started watching that scene without the context of the rest of the film, you would say nothing happens.
I went water skiing with some friends a few months ago. One of their sons couldn’t figure it out. He blamed the waves to the speed of the boat or the skis. He wouldn’t admit he was wrong and would get angry at us for trying to help.
My impression is that you continue to not understand the movie. If you did understand it, even if you disliked it, you would still appreciate how tight the script is, or how realistic the action is at least, or to understand how a character with less screen time could be the focus of the story. I meant it when I said in 5 years something will click and you’ll get it.
It is extremely clear to me that you’re the one who isn’t getting it. Nice discussing it with you though.