For me all linux has it’s own uniqueness & it’s up to you to hate it or love it, because in the end the one who used it has it’s own uniqueness too why they choose it
I mean, I’m impressed that someone had the time to thoroughly try out all of those distros in two months to enable a meaningful comparison!
This is just very surface level discussion. Didn’t even mention that NixOS lets you roll your system back to any previous configuration or has the most packages of any distro
Rollbacks are definitely something worth talking about, but the package count is not.
Nixpkgs automatically generated packages from some language specific package managers, mainly Haskell and Node packages, which do hugely inflate the number. If you account for these, it does end up being smaller than the AUR. Plus, many of those automatically generated packages are frequently broken.
This still leaves Nixpkgs as the largest official repo, but I think any NixOS maintainer would agree that the average quality of a package in NixOS is not as high as something like an official Arch or Debian package. Package review processes are not nearly as intensive as they probably should be due to the lack of manpower to handle that.
I think any NixOS maintainer would agree that the average quality of a package in NixOS is not as high as something like an official Arch or Debian package
Package maintainer here. Not sure what you mean by quality; as that term is very ambiguous. Shit works and configuration is often a breeze by comparison to other distros.
I would never go back to a legacy distro. Who wants to do that shit all by hand?
I didn’t say or imply that NixOS is worse than other distros overall. I am also a maintainer of several packages, but I am referring to those with Nixpkgs write access, who generally have a deeper understanding of the repo.
Shit usually works, but not always. Breakages on unstable are not uncommon. For example, things often break when a major Python package is updated. The auto generated packages in Nixpkgs are often broken, sometimes completely, but sometimes in ways you don’t realize until you’re using them. Nixpkgs just does not have a review process that is on par with other distros.
I agree that NixOS configuration is amazing, that’s not what I was talking about. Im not shit talking NixOS, I love Nix and have used and contributed to it for years. I’m just bringing up valid points about it that are worth talking about.
Nixpkgs just does not have a review process that is on par with other distros.
We can agree on this. There is work to do.
Breakages on unstable are not uncommon.
I run unstable, and I have had this happen twice. Both times with Tmux (which is weird); but it was upstream issues. But fair enough. Maybe my systems aren’t exotic enough to experience the uncommon breakages.
Could nixpkgs do better? Yes. I mean, look at the backlog. You have to be active in the community to get your work merged in any decent timeframe. I think this is the most annoying part about the Nix ecosystem.
Maybe my systems aren’t exotic enough to experience the uncommon breakages.
The majority of issues are caused by Python applications, because Python packaging in Nix is still very rough. This isn’t Nix’s fault though, its the fact that pip sucks and most Python software uses a simple requirements.txt. Hopefully one day Poetry and UV build helpers will be in Nixpkgs.
You have to be active in the community to get your work merged in any decent timeframe. I think this is the most annoying part about the Nix ecosystem.
Definitely agree. It can be hard to get things merged or even reviewed. The simplest option to improve this would be to give more people write access, but of course lowering requirements for getting it would be a risk for security and stability. Nixpkgs automation is frequently improving, which will definitely help.
Again, just subtract all the unique packages and you still get more packages than the AUR
If other distros have the same package, it’s not a machine generated package, is it?
or has the most packages of any distro
That’s very much open to discussion. You can’t just go by the number of packages because nixpkgs for example has multiple python versions as separate packages, each with a set of the same libraries just with a different prefix.
While the full number might be inflated, it still has one of the most complete official repositories.
That is true, but most NixOS contributors and maintainers would agree that the average package quality is currently closer to that of the AUR than the official repos of other distros. However, there is the upside that because of how dependencies are handled, a broken package won’t mess with other things on your system in the same way a broken AUR package could.
https://repology.org/repositories/statistics/nonunique
This only includes packages that are also in other distros
This list seems to leave out a good amount of distros but overall not too bad.
Is OpenSuse tumbleweed worth checking out? Something fairly stable and good for gaming.
I have been using Pop-OS for the longest but recently got newer hardware and therefore waiting for the new version to get more stable. Using bazzite meanwhile. Immuble distro is interesting but not sure if I like it.
From a previous comment of mine:
After more than 15 years of Kubuntu I installed Tumbleweed a few years (two?) ago, because it offers a rolling release, system snapshots and KDE.
Having a job and a family, I do not have the time to tinker anymore, so I expect things to work smoothly out-of-the-box nowadays.
Tumbleweed let me down in this respect.
Once I had to completely reinstall the system because the snapshots filled the system partition during an update, which made it unable to start KDE. I could roll back from the terminal to the previous snapshot, but couldn’t figure out how to remedy the problem, except for using a greater partition and reinstalling.
And just a few days ago KDE (and many applications, when used in LXDE) wouldn’t start, because of version mismatches (caused by an incomplete update?) that broke the linkage of qt libraries. To resolve it I had to make a decision between two packages (tlp vs tuned) to finish the update, even though I hadn’t installed those manually and didn’t know anything about them.
Besides those problems I find the administration suboptimal, with the divide between the Interfaces of Yast and the KDE settings. I didn’t manage to get my Brother network printer to work (except via direct USB connection), which worked out of the box with my android phone.
I plan to try the fedora atomic desktop soonish.
The installation quirks of atomic will drive you batty. Just Fedora KDE sounds like what you’re wanting, I finally got sick of fixing Arch after a decade of it and have not regretted changing a year or so ago.
It’s very up to date but has never even had a hiccup on updates, and it doesn’t have a bunch of Canonical bullshit attached. It’s just a pretty current vanilla Linux distro with no fucking around. I think I’ve hit that bellcurve downslope of a quarter century of Linux use that starts and ends in the same spot, Redhat.
And it installs by default on btrfs, so install Timeshift or BTRFS Assistant with Snapper, and sleep well at night.
Even with the automated testing, Tumbleweed will still sometimes introduce problems with updates. They mitigate the risk of that with Snapper, so you can rollback to a previous state if things get borked.
Personally, though I’ve tried it a few times, I just can’t get on with openSuse distros.
- Updating is really slow since Zypper does one task at a time, compared to DNF or Apt which can download and install multiple packages at once
- Updating is particularly slow in the US, since most opensuse servers are in the EU
- Yast is powerful for enterprise/sysadmins, but is damn clunky to use for everyday normal stuff (IMHO).
I’d honestly just go for Fedora if you want up-to-date packages, perhaps Nobara if you want it more pre-setup for gaming and codecs. It’s much more slick overall.
Your Fedora vs. OpenSUSE comparison is amusing to me, as I’ve had exactly the opposite experience. Fedora 40 DNF was hella slow for me, fedora broke regularly, etc.
My experience with Fedora (about 2 years of daily driving) has lead me to almost hate it, while my experience with Tumbleweed (approx. 6 months daily driver) has lead me to live it dearly. And I’ve never even used YAST!
Well, I guess a lot of this really depends on what packages you use, how you configure your OS, etc. — it’s good to know both sides of the coin no matter what.
Your Fedora vs. OpenSUSE comparison is amusing to me, as I’ve had exactly the opposite experience. Fedora 40 DNF was hella slow for me, fedora broke regularly, etc.
Fedora 41 has DNF5 now, pretty fast.
Yeah, that’s why I specified fedora 40. I guess eventually I’ll need to try fedora again
Fedora hasn’t been all roses for my particular setup either, since they fully dropped X11 in the latest version, but my hardware combo isn’t viable yet with Wayland, ultimately making me land on Linux Mint (which has been pretty dang nice).
I also tried OpenSUSE slowroll before trying Fedora, which I love the concept of, but an update on that seemed to bork my system (second monitor would remain blank upon booting), which made me a bit skeptical of its claims of extra stability over normal Tumbleweed.
OpenSUSE is my favorite distro.
I first installed it after having an abysmal experience with Fedora (bad repos, unstable, etc.). It took me a while to really enjoy, but after figuring out how to update the system properly (it’s zypper dup not zypper up), all my issues were quickly resolved.
OpenSUSE is extremely stable, has great repos (stable, large, up-to-date, good naming and dependency schemes, etc.), has a strong focus on security, provides appealing defaults (much better than fedora’s), while remaining minimalist enough to have good performance and to be useful for someone like me who is going to extensively customize their system anyway.
I’ve tried bazzite but hated it, as it’s difficult to customize, breaks very easily, and doesn’t seem to have a notable performance improvement over something like Nobara (unfortunately fedora based, good otherwise if gaming is your main thing).
To somewhat answer your question: openSUSE Tumbleweed is the best “normal use-case” distro (in my opinion). It is, however, not super beginner friendly, has a smaller community and fewer docs, and isn’t laser-focused on performance. It’s good for someone who wants to settle down in their Linux experience, and find a daily driver for their most used device.
Other, more specialized options, you might find interesting:
- Nobara Linux: by far the best gaming distro, maintained by the glorious glorious eggroll (proton-ge creator). It breaks every once-and-a-while, but everything is always fixed within one update, at most a day apart, and the breaks are never disabling.
- Void Linux: uses runit instead of SystemD, meaning it’s super, super fast. Has a great installer, is stable, and has good defaults, but absolutely a horrible choice for beginners, if you consider yourself such.
Again, openSUSE is absolutely fantastic, and my own daily driver — but I have Nobara installed on my gaming PC, and Void installed on my portable laptop. In the end, it’s all a matter of use-case.
Edit: sorry for the insanely long response, my thoughts have been meandering today…
Is OpenSuse tumbleweed worth checking out? Something fairly stable and good for gaming
A rolling distro is not a stable distro
