Hello. I wasn’t sure where to post about this and a friend directed me here. This is about AskLemmy on the Lemmy.world instance’s newly appointed mod, shinigamiookamiryuu.

For clarity reasons I am going to mention they are also known as “Triagonal” and various other aliases. I’m using a fresh account because the person this post is about is known to dox the people who expose them, like they did with Morothias here

I’m also trans, so I’d prefer it if a person who tells trans people to shoot up schools (see image below) doesn’t have access to my main account.

Here’s a recent in-depth post which goes into detail about this person and includes lots of direct links.

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Their modus operandi is this:

  1. They’ll do/say reprehensible things.
  2. When people give evidence of those reprehensible things in the form of direct links, they will call it “slander”. When this fails to work, they then try to gaslight everyone by saying “you’re taking it out of context” “you cannot speak for my intentions” , hoping people fall for it. This is a very common tactic they’ve used for years. Don’t fall for it.
  3. They paint themselves as a targeted victim, hoping people (including mods/admins) take their word for it and don’t look into the links that got posted.

There is a person who has an account on Lemmy, who has a 5 year long history of malicious trolling, doxing, catfishing, creepy comments they made to someone they knew was only 14, and telling a trans person to kill themselves after shooting up a school then gaslighting people on Lemmy about it by saying “where did I say anything about a shooter”. Their actions are such that multiple people are chronicling the various reprehensible things they’ve said and done and continue to do. They resort to doxing, impersonating, and harassing anyone who exposes them or isn’t on their side which is why a lot of people who call them out use fresh accounts for their own safety.

Here’s a screenshot of them telling a trans person to “do what the person in Nashville did”. They are referring to the Nashville school shooter, Aiden Hale, who was trans. They also called them a Japanese slur that is equivalent to the f-word

Here’s the creepy comments they made to a DeviantArt forum member who they knew was only 14 years old. They doubled down on it when confronted.
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792

https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940

They have also defended CP.

They raised a big stink on Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards for their mod actions on AskLemmy.

There are a ton of links to things the troll has posted, on their own accounts, such as when they trolled on AskLemmy on Lemmy.world by saying Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and proceeded to gaslight commenters in the comments, then locking their own thread. They are highly manipulative and try to paint themselves as a victim who is being targeted for no reason by calling the evidence in the links “slander” and saying “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions”.

Here’s them trolling about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and then trolling people once those people proved them wrong by gaslighting them about how “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions!”.

They like to portray themselves as an innocent person who is “being targeted for no reason” hoping that mods and admins who are unaware of their history take their word for it without looking into things. They will claim to mods/admins that they’re being doxed because their alias, which the troll publicly posts everywhere, was mentioned in posts exposing them. They do this because they want people who point out what they’re doing to be banned, not because they’re actually concerned about doxing. Please bear in mind that this user has been caught using an AI generated voice trying to pass it off as their own and they have been permabanned from Discord servers for making up excuses when asked by mods to prove they are who they say they are. They are using a fake internet persona.

Recently, they got permabanned from Bulbagarden after the administrators discovered “concerning off-site conduct”

They have been banned and had posts removed countless times for “trolling”

Proof https://lemmy.wtf/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=538316

Another thing this user will do is sign up on websites using the exact usernames of the people who originally exposed them on DeviantArt and then, once called out for this, will troll about being “inspired” by those usernames, omitting the fact they’ve 1. done this dozens of times 2. they only steal the usernames of the people who exposed them on DeviantArt. They’ll also list their country on the impersonation accounts as being from the country of the person they’re impersonating, among other things, like pretending to have DID on an account that’s named after a person on DeviantArt who actually has DID and then manipulate people by claiming people calling them out on this are “denying DID exists”.

They report any posts that aren’t on their side, claiming they’re being doxed because the poster used their alias, an alias they publicly use throughout the internet, and are known for faking many aspects of their persona online.

I apologize for the lengthy post, but is it appropriate for such a person to be a mod on AskLemmy, which is a popular community, given their actions both on Lemmy and off-site?

edit: They’re now in this thread saying Elon Musk’s Nazi salute was debunked and are comparing it to Pokemon. Link

edit 2: gaslighting + sealioning in the comments https://lemmy.wtf/post/16417625/12630325

  • ItsJaaaaane (She/Her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    72·
    1 day ago

    @orangeNgreen@lemmy.world @neidu3@sh.itjust.works @BoozeOrWater@lemm.ee @lwadmin@lemmy.world @Rooki@lemmy.world @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world @TragicNotCute@lemmy.world @fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com @asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev @_MoveSwiftly@lemmy.world @Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world @DriftingDeep@lemmy.world @Decoy321@lemmy.world @admin@lemmy.ca @admin@admin@beehaw.org @admin@admin@sh.itjust.works @admin@admin@feddit.org

    Hello mods and admins sorry to bother you but Call Me Lenny/Leni / shinigamiookamiryuu is a next-level transphobic troll with a disturbing history both on Lemmy and off-site. Leni lies that it’s slander (then will try to gaslight people once this fails) but there’s link proof of Leni, who is an adult, grooming a minor (see below), excusing Elon Musk’s Nazi salute here on Lemmy, telling a trans person to kill himself on Discord (while pretending to be an ally in public), doxing people, harassing people and much more, including impersonating people.

    Call Me Lenny/Leni is a mod of Casualconversation on lemm.ee and is also a mod of AskLemmy on lemmy.world. Seems like Leni is very manipulative and twists things to pretend to be a victim, and there’s evidence of Leni using sealioning/gaslighting tactics in this thread. Leni was also featured on Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards and seems to be abusing mod powers:

    https://t.lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/36342936

    Leni also has a sockpuppet account that is also a mod of those communities https://lemm.ee/u/KaneLivesInDeath@lemmy.world

    Leni said this is an account of theirs here: https://lemm.ee/post/21587707/8543171

    Here’s Leni telling a trans man to kill himself on Discord

    WARNING: Slur + Bigotry

    Comments Leni made towards a minor repeatedly on DeviantArt: (there’s links which prove the screenshotsare legit here (Content Warning: adult being creepy to a minor) https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792

    https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940 )

    Screenshots:

    WARNING: Adult being creepy to a minor

    WARNING: Adult being creepy to a minor

    WARNING: Adult being creepy to a minor

    Leni keeps repeatedly downplaying Elon Musk’s Nazi salute in this thread:

    https://lemmy.wtf/post/16417625/12627885

    Thanks in advance <3

      • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
        25·
        1 day ago

        A few things are to be considered (things which prove the power of seeing both sides through).

        • When it shows a message about me supposedly abusing power, it shows a message specifically about me enacting disciplinary measures against people trying to encourage Luigi Mangione copycats. I would have thought I was serving the TOS by doing that, and still would think I am, and some instances have showed they hold the same thoughts and that I’m not just acting on my own subjective sentiments. It’s based on the whole “what’s it to you” response where their thing later comes into play where they say I was supposedly downplaying Musk’s salute. Though I do think intent matters, my thinking is if they’re both fair, then they’re both fair, and if they’re both “dogwhistling”, they’re both “dogwhistling”. Of note, I don’t encourage deaths in any form, I’m just getting mixed messages on what that necessitates.
        • The “slur + bigotry” part happened two (if not three) years ago. As I explained to the mods of Ask Lemmy, I was fighting with a friend who has DID and BPD because I got fed up with their trust issues and snapped and it manifested like that. Yes, it was transphobic to say that, including using a slur whose origins I didn’t know (it was from One Piece so I thought it was just slang, as why would a kids’ anime have some random slur as a setting name). Feeling guilty immediately afterwards, some friends confirmed to me an apology was the best way to express the sorrow, and I did apologize (the wording about “being told” to refers to not knowing how to manifest it, it doesn’t refer to the apology’s supposed lack of sincerity). In any case, he forgave me, and we have been friends for two years since. Neither of us are the people we were two years ago, and we will both maintain it’s not up to other people to speak for whether the issue has been resolved. He recently came to me for guidance, though, when he was down on himself while someone who is actually associated with the people slandering me (including the person we are responding to) who is still transphobic started going at him (they were in a relationship, with the non-trans boyfriend being unwilling to accept the person who broke up with him is trans). This, sadly fittingly, came after he (the trans friend) defended me while asking why they aren’t focusing on other people in the situation (only to be censored if you look at the original source), showing they don’t actually care about transgender justice, only about whether I look bad in the process or not (because I am the accusers’ grudge).
        • As for the other matter, I think your first sign there’s more to it than meets the eye is the fact the date on one of them is way after the actual date I got removed from their community, with proof of that date both in other interaction histories as well as the community itself. The context for the other two things can be found in the message chains themselves that are kind of linked to. Both were semantic miscommunications (one around whether “date” was always “romantic”, the other in whatever shipping entailed). The people in charge there knew that and so did nothing. I was removed from that community two years later for being too vocal about being pro-abortion when the art community started filling up with Roe VS Wade content.
        • ShiverMeTimbers@lemm.eeEnglish
          24·
          1 day ago

          I don’t know how guilty everyone is, but I do know that someone’s past, if they keep it in the past like you’re trying to say you’ve done in your quest for improvement, shouldn’t be grounds for ostracism and removal of powers every time they try to attain some kind of goal somewhere. I notice what you describe was explained elsewhere too.

          Davel banned me from the transgender community in Lemmy ML by the way, just for merely interacting leniently with you. I looked up the whole “rule 1” thing, it’s BS. I also notice someone tried explaining the whole thing in the Fedilore section, only for them to literally make a new rule (rule 3) that wasn’t there before just so they had a reason to censor or remove the explanation.

          Back when you tried going to the original commenter for advice and didn’t get any (either as a diplomatic gesture or due to genuinely wanting to talk to someone), I mentioned all signs pointed to them being exclusionary to you, and considering their continued activity there after the interaction, I think it goes without saying now, which I was going to respond to you saying before seeing that Davel (who one of the things I showed is himself anti-LGBT) banned me from the ML communities.

          • ItsJaaaaane (She/Her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            4·
            1 day ago

            Davel banned me from the transgender community in Lemmy ML by the way, just for merely interacting leniently with you.

            That’s not what Davel said at all. Putting words in an admin’s mouth isn’t a good look. :| You were permabanned for likely being an alt of Leni’s. I agree with Davel’s reasoning, and you are (seemingly deliberately?) oversimplifying it.

            For everyone else reading through this thread, here’s what Davel actually said: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/23093202/13380377

            Are you re appointing yourself as a mod after you keep getting your mod privileges removed by the other mods, using your @KaneLivesInDeath@lemmy.world account (which you appointed as a mod on your main mod account, Call Me Lenny/Leni), which you admitted on your Call Me Lenny/Leni account is your secondary account?

            https://lemm.ee/post/21587707/8543171

            Casualconversation (both you and your alt are mods there, and the same re appointing thing happened there. Coincidence?)

          • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            21 hours ago

            More accurately put, what Davel means is he thinks you’re some kind of double of me (which makes me wonder if he sees the irony of pinging someone who has been accused, by both others and yourself, of being the equivalent of that of the person I was responding to) and thinks you interacting with me is akin to someone puppeteering with themselves (which makes me cast doubt on either his intent or powers as most admins in most places can numerically see someone’s identification, and his undertones contrast with other admins’) and that this is why he thinks you’re lenient towards me.

            • ItsJaaaaane (She/Her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              3·
              1 day ago

              Hello

              As I mention in this reply here https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21823992/13383057 Leni has another alt that also has mod privileges, @KaneLivesInDeath@lemmy.world . Leni said in a comment that that account is their secondary account… both Leni and their Kane alt are mods on AskLemmy and Casualconversation and whenever Leni gets removed as a mod in those communities they soon get mysteriously appointed as mods again, perhaps because Leni is logging into their Kane alt and re appointing themselves as a mod.

              • ping@lemm.eeEnglish
                2·
                1 day ago

                This internet troll created a !machiavellianism@lemm.ee community.

                Sidebar:

                This is a community where those who seek to be manipulative or discuss manipulation can come to discuss themselves and ways they bent norms and rules. If that sounds crazy to you, there is a rationale and it isn’t necessarily illegal or immoral, in fact it’s arguably the opposite. Suppose you live in a world where you are everyone’s target, and they’re willing to engage in hypocrisy if it means fulfilling this. You cannot fight back, you are only one individual and you will lose. You cannot leave. You cannot stand to sit through it. What do you do? You find loopholes and put their tactics in such a position that they are fooled or swayed against each other. Imagine there are anonymous reporters who falsely report both SWAT and the CPS on you. Though this example is borderline illegal, as is reporting them on you, a machiavellian is the one who puts them in a position where they meet up in your home and go after each other. Machiavellianism is the martial arts of the mind, the Karate Kid for people who cannot rely on their bodies. Please note that, in order to honor Lemmy, anything that’s actually aligned with criminality will be banned, as will the posters.

              • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
                22·
                23 hours ago

                I have never, ever used any secondary name to reappoint me.

                What a liar you are (makes me wonder if those who “upvote” what you say are “alts”).

                Admins ask for multiple names to work in coordination in rule enforcing depending on the instance. I make it no secret who my secondary names are. It also should be made clear “ShiverMeTimbers” is not one of them. I’d be willing to bet life and death on that. Supposing you or someone else extracted data/info from me, you would find what I’m saying to be true.

            • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
              13·
              23 hours ago

              The only other name I have is KaneLivesInDeath. Nobody else here is me in any way. I’d be willing to bet on that and am surprised a self-proclaimed “admin”, like the one we call Davel, would take such a passive approach when you’d expect such a person to have access to all the IP codes.

  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
    1·
    1 month ago

    Well. I raised this exact question months ago as a hypothetical. I was trying to learn how lemmy works, and despite my arguements that this is a stupid recoarse, here is what I was told.

    Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won’t be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!

    Alright lemmy users who aren’t part of THIS thread, but I still remember from 8 months ago…this is your time to shine! Go make new communities and show us all how your ways are realistic in real world scenarios…and not just, ya know, group jerking the group about unrealistic concepts and thus not a real solution.

    And again, to op and others in this thread, I want to remind you that I’m not being snarky to you. I’m being snarky to those people 8 months ago who argued this exact scenario.

    They claimed the solution is to make AskLemmy2, everybody leave AskLemmy, and now the troll is a mod of a dead community. So yeah, I’m going to be snarky. I knew that was a stupid response to this situation.

    So yeah. I’m full of warrented snark tonight.

    • j4k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 month ago

      Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won’t be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!

      I find that stupidity infuriating. It postulates that communities are owned by moderators and not the community and users. That is authoritarian narcissistic garbage. No one looks at or cares who the moderators are when they post anything anywhere, EVER! NEVER EVER EVER!!!

      That is how these places fail to grow most people encountering this stupidity just leave. Mods serve communities just like admin. The altruism of hosting is not some neo feudal ownership of users. I’m grateful for the time and efforts spent and willing to contribute myself in the ways I can to that democracy, but anyone that acts like that means they own me can shove a whole data center and the parking lot up their root directory. Communities have momentum and belong to the users only. ANY mods that do not put users first should be purged immediately. Mods are disposable. As a mod, I am disposable. I do not matter. I am the janitor. Any mod that can not say this should be purged immediately. Anyone with any hint of narcissism is toxic to the community in every instance. Every mod and admin action is harmful and should only ever be applied to those that are causing greater harm like bigots. There should be extreme prejudice by admin at mods that are active and taking actions that were not flagged by members of the broader community. I’ll volunteer as a mod of any of the larger communities if that is what is needed. I trust users to make flags and there are very few actual actions needed here in any community.

    • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
      0·
      1 month ago

      It would be good, then, that I don’t fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I’m aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person’s warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn’t some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.

      • Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtfOPEnglish
        1·
        1 month ago

        You recently trolled about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and when people proved you wrong, you proceeded to troll about how “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions” before locking the thread. You even used the “Roman salute” excuse and then went off on a tangent about Japanese anime.

        A portion of your blog post supposedly debunking everything is just spent waffling about Elon Musk.

        • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
          01·
          1 month ago

          Debunked in the sense that, one, what the perception was did not match his intention, and two, a lot of the footage exaggerated his gesture anyways. I don’t rule out that it was reckless and that people are right to feel offended, just that we can’t speak for another person’s intent.

          Something that’s worth noting (or which I don’t see a lot of people talking about) is the fact that the salute, historically, was done with your arm stretched out in front of you, not to the side like in the photograph of him. My style is to analyze things closely and give constructive critique (which is why, when someone mentioned he also shared antisemitic conspiracy theories, I gave some scolding words about Musk and did not continue the same “meh” reaction).

          I remember when I was little and Pokémon came out with the character Registeel and the sprite had to be changed because the pose they chose for the creature just happened to resemble a Nazi salute. It was probably far less likely to be intentional in their case, but it actually looked more like the salute… and then it was memed into oblivion. Musk’s salute in the picture, though technically arguable to be the salute (and it’s possible more to his intentions might come to light), was more like the Team Rocket pose.

            • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
              01·
              1 month ago

              Stop what? Stop elaborating on what I meant that caused me to be taken out of context? The fact people feel the need to take people out of context, and to campaign against someone wherever they go when half of what they’re saying can be put to rest in an instance, is to me what’s sadder.

              • Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                0·
                1 month ago

                Here’s a quote from @Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtf for context:

                You recently trolled about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though”

                and then a selection of quotes from your reply, the one I responded to:

                Debunked in the sense that, one, what the perception was did not match his intention, and two, a lot of the footage exaggerated his gesture anyways.

                Something that’s worth noting (or which I don’t see a lot of people talking about) is the fact that the salute, historically, was done with your arm stretched out *in front of you*, not to the side

                Musk’s salute in the picture, though technically arguable to be the salute (and it’s possible more to his intentions might come to light), was more like [the Team Rocket pose.]

                You’ve claimed to know what his intention was, that the Nazi salute was done differently to the clip of Hitler himself, even though the video shows that they’re almost identical, and then that Musk’s salute was an innocent mistake.

                They sound an awful lot like excuses for a guy who was caught on camera performing a salute that’s all but identical to a Nazi salute that Hitler, leader of the Nazis, performed on video.

                • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
                  0·
                  1 month ago

                  I say what his intention is based on what he says his intention is. Every person is the authority of their own intentions, and I was relaying what he said. That’s not an excuse to say nor will it ever be, otherwise anyone and everyone could put words in anyone’s mouth and treat it as canon.

    • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
      01·
      1 month ago

      The fact this is all slander (aside from the doxxing parts) aside, I haven’t even broken any rules on-site, whether community ones or TOS.

      • Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtfOPEnglish
        2·
        1 month ago

        The fact this is all slander

        It isn’t slander when I can link to things you’ve posted on your other accounts over the internet, such as these comments you made to a DeviantArt forum member who you knew was only 14 on your permabanned “Triagonal” account, and like the user Red October said in this thread, Having the absolute thinnest veil of plausible deniability isn’t an excuse.

        https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792

        https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940

        aside from the doxxing parts

        You aren’t being doxxed. The alias you use is one that you’ve used publicly throughout the internet. You publicly list and interlink your accounts. You aren’t actually concerned about being doxxed, you’re going to lie to people that you’re being doxxed while omitting the important part (that the alias is one you publicly use) to try and get this post removed.

        Since people mentioned you using “plausible deniability” you made vagueposts/trollposts about it on Reddit under your NiotaBunny sockpuppet account. https://www.reddit.com/r/IdeologyPolls/comments/1infs5k/would_you_say_the_concept_of_plausible/

        Before you say “NiotaBunny on Reddit isn’t my alt”, you literally admitted that you own the account.

        • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
          01·
          1 month ago

          The fact nothing there represents what I was trying to convey aside, the admin on duty told us both to cut things out. I acknowledge defeat on my part and am here to adhere to what they said. Such campaigning on yours is getting out of hand, wouldn’t you say?

      • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        1 month ago

        I mean, rules are just guidelines. If you’re that shitty of a person, there’s really nothing stopping the admins of .world from just banning you anyway.

        • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
          01·
          1 month ago

          That’s the thing though. The majority of how the claims describe me don’t correctly describe me. There are some that exaggerate, some that take things out of context, and some that deal with guilt I had in the past but which I’ve realized the guilt of, made up for, and learned from. I am not above fault, there’s just no epiphany of fault I feel pending at this time.

          May I remind you the majority of it is years-old? The individual, meanwhile, is one of those known to chase me around trying to make attacks towards me for the sake of it, and them coming onto the scene wasn’t years ago. Whether they’re accurate of a measure of fault or not, if I can’t leave things behind to honor rules in new places without being given disciplinary action for those interactions, what would the point be?

    • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
      02·
      1 month ago

      I did not downplay it, I simply expressed doubts someone intended to do it.

      If someone goes to threaten someone and doesn’t show their weapon but says they have one, and I doubt they actually have one, by your logic, am I downplaying their kind of violence?

        • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
          01·
          1 month ago

          What I said was I wasn’t going to go through with a specific stance such as mine anymore. And I will continue that promise. Simply talking about what an argument is about is not the same as progressing it. However, it should be mentioned that all promising that to the rule enforcer led to was their comment and my promise getting mass thumbs down, the discussion not dying down, and admins (which the rule enforcer who weighed in isn’t one of), both of World and my instance, informing me they don’t stand by everyone else here (and that I have not, at this time, brought upon any reason to be banned from any instance), even though they can’t or won’t do anything about the OP.

  • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    1 month ago

    Thanks for the information, I’ve decided to block this user based on the evidence. Hopefully the rest of the mods of that community will take that into consideration when judging whether that user can serve the community effectively as a moderator

    • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
      01·
      1 month ago

      It has been spoken about. As they said they think would be good of me, I’m not continuing what I was doing and acknowledge defeat. As for the non-political claims, they cannot be said to represent what was going on in their specific times and places.

    • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
      02·
      1 month ago

      Saying Musk may not have intended his gesture to come off how it did =/= promoting any racist or murderous group or agenda

      You can literally see in the very conversations he redirects to that I condemn both Nazism and Elon Musk.

      • Red_October@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 month ago

        What he “may have intended” is irrelevant. He knew what he did. He did it twice. Elon Musk is an idiot but even he isn’t so stupid as to not realize what he was doing. Having the absolute thinnest veil of plausible deniability isn’t an excuse.

        Your defense would be equally as applicable, and just as stupid, if he started requiring all Tesla cars to have a Swastika prominently displayed at all times, claiming “Well it was an ancient Buddhist symbol first, Maybe that’s what he meant!”

        • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          0·
          1 month ago

          Agreed. The end result doesn’t give a shit about the initial intent.

          “Your honor, it wasn’t my intent to wash a fifth of gin down with an ounce of ket and then drive through a school playground during recess.”

          “Oh, you didn’t mean it? Free to go!”

        • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
          02·
          1 month ago

          If that is your counter, maybe it would please you to know that, as per the wishes of those enforcing the rules, I have obliged a while ago, and now we’re just waiting for things to die down on the side of the charger, who are why any of us ever showed up.

      • Nalivai@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 month ago

        A nazi did a nazi salute. He might or might not intended to do it. Semantics are irrelevant.

        • Bonus @lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          1 month ago

          How can anyone suggest he didn’t intend to do it? M-fer put more heart and back into it than Hitler ever did and then he clicked heel, did an about face, and doubled down with as much or more enthusiasm. There was nothing accidental about it. He’s an Afrikaner apartheid loving Nazi. I know everyone knows this but you all don’t have to waste your time arguing about what the entire world saw televised.

      • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        See, if I had done something so boneheadingly stupid as an accident, I would immediately be putting out statements clarifying that it wasn’t a Nazi salute. It’s what we would expect any reasonable person to do.

        Elon Musk himself has not denied that it was a Nazi salute.

        Why do you think he’s refused to clarify?

  • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
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    1 month ago

    So, one day old OP, is ‘your friend’ your other account that just posted the same exact thing the other day?

    Seems odd to accuse someone of creating alts

    • JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee
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      1 month ago

      LW is a huge instance with lots of great communities, content and members.

      If we blocked every useful instance just because a nasty troll lurked under its bridge, then what would be the point of trying to participate in a healthy Fediverse?

      • atomicpoet@kbin.earth
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        1 month ago

        I’m not saying that everyone should block LW. I’m saying that if one has an ethical objection to LW, it’s on them to block the server. If they don’t want to block the server because of its size, then it’s also on them to either promote alternatives to LW or build your own.

        No server on the Fediverse is too big for blocking.

    • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
      01·
      1 month ago

      I mean, they did just come by just to attack me. I’ve dealt with this everywhere (not just in the fediverse) and they joined literally yesterday after their previous name (they admit that’s them) was confronted.

  • Draconic NEO@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    OP I recommend trying to contact Lemmy.world’s admins about this in the Matrix chat, maybe possibly reporting it in the Spam defense channel, since this user is essentially promoting neonazi apologia.

    • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
      01·
      1 month ago

      Saying Musk may not have intended his gesture to come off how it did =/= promoting any racist or murderous group or agenda

      You can literally see in the very conversations he redirects to that I condemn both Nazism and Elon Musk.

      • Serinus@lemmy.worldM
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        1 month ago

        He intended it. He very clearly, extremely clearly intended it. The best possible interpretation is that he instead to do it because he wanted to troll people and he’s the biggest moron imaginable, but that really doesn’t check out. He did it from behind the presidential seal.

        He was aware of what he was doing. He considered his actions well in advance.

        Attempting to add doubt to that idea is promoting the neo-Nazi agenda. You’re trying to turn his bullhorn into a dog whistle. It’s offensive and near bannable.

        I try to use words over mod/admin tools when possible, and if you’re trying to do what it appears you’re trying to do, then it’s not very effective.

  • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
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    1 month ago

    So as a word to all those who are onlookers here and are wondering what’s going on, this is the second person so far who has tried to participate in the same mass slander of me, as has been happening around the web. I figured this might happen, which is why I can redirect to my complete perspective, which proves the original asker/poster wrong. Ironically, the one thing they’re consistently right about are their words “don’t believe everything you hear”, which also applies to things that seem convincing enough not to consult both sides.

    • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
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      1 month ago

      See what I mean now? Proving them wrong (or not doing so) doesn’t just make this go away. These are a special kind of people.

      • Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtfOPEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Proven wrong how? The links I’ve provided in my OP are links to things you have said and done, on your own accounts. The ones that are YouTube videos include screenshots, many of which are supplemented by links as well to prove that they are genuine. Once people point this out, you attempt to evade questions by changing the subject, claim that people must be misinterpreting everything, or say “you can’t speak for my intentions”, which is the same tactic that you used when you said that Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and then you locked your own post.

        When you use an AI generated voice on Discord that you try to pass off as your own, a lot of people are going to assume that you’re dishonest.

        • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
          01·
          1 month ago

          Proven wrong how?

          Read up and find out, as I’d tell anyone.

          Does the chat/Discord screenshot have a link to it? Exactly.

          All of this is addressed in the place I redirected to except for the final thing you mentioned. I shouldn’t even have to address that part.

          a lot of people are going to assume that you’re dishonest.

          Well thanks for confirming slander is your intent.

  • Serinus@lemmy.worldM
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    1 month ago

    First, I’m generally not following around people on YouTube and DeviantArt and random archive / link shorteners to gather evidence to ban people on Lemmy. I was not pleased when I clicked on the “evidence” and it took me to YouTube.

    Second, while I was very near ready to ban based on the denial of Musk’s Nazi salute, it does seem like they’re just horribly wrong. Maybe a bit of sealioning on this issue. I’d advise shin to avoid going further down this path, and hopefully you were just blatantly ignorant of the evidence others have provided (AfD, etc.)

    I’m open to revisiting in the future, particularly if they abuse their power as mod.