U.S. President Joe Biden has ordered his administration to begin sharing evidence of alleged Russian war crimes in Ukraine with the Hague-based International Criminal Court (ICC), a U.S official said on Wednesday. The Pentagon had been resistant to the move and privately argued that any cooperation with the court could open the way for politicized prosecution of American troops deployed overseas. The ICC, a permanent war crimes tribunal, in March issued an arrest warrant for Putin for suspected deportation of children from Ukraine, which would be a war crime.
Yes, I heard about them. But that’s exactly my point. They get banned here in domestic translation and that’s it. And as most people are not speakign Russian there is no way to get flooded by their bullshit narratives in other ways. You often need to belong to a very small group of morons communicating their bullshit in usually closed groups (and given those types of people it’s no coincidence they smoothly transitioned from population replacement to anti-vax and covid dictatorship to Russia-did-nothing-wrong bullshit; next will be probably flat earth… or some classic anti-semitic conspiracy to go back to their roots) to get the hand-made trnaslations of that propaganda.
That’s different for countries on Russias side of the iron curtain. And sorry, but at some point being told to stop believing Russian propaganda narrative X when in reality that accusation is also the first time you heard that piece of bullshit mentioned in the first place again and again by Eastern Europeans is tiring and shows a very accurate picture of who constantly hangs on Russia’s lips and can’t stop swallowing up their crap. All while also accusing others…
If you find my frustration after 1½ years of this is “sounding condescending”… Again, your problem, not mine.
We have gone very far from what prompted this. Russia’s ability to influence should not be overestimated and it should not be underestimated either. History has shown time and time again that it is relatively easy to get vast amounts of people to believe the most stupid bullshit. Most recently in the United States and in Russia. Such efforts need to be guarded against.
To bring things closer to what the subject of this community is, unfortunately one way this is becoming a significant problem right now is with the Republicans in America, the next president may well be inclined to stop supporting Ukraine.
> To bring things closer to what the subject of this community is, unfortunately one way this is becoming a significant problem right now is with the Republicans in America
And there is your problem: You actually mention “closer to the subject of this cummunity” and the US in the same breath. No, the closest problem for Ukraine (Russia aside, but they are so far gone there is nothing we can do about them but supporting their military defeat at this point) sit in Ukraine and in Ukraine neighbours. They can’t shed the ex-USSR then Russian conditioning and the fairy tales of the weak West.
It is no coincidence that those people all only managed to shift the narrative slightly. So now it’s the US that is their savior while all the useless Western European countries are weak and listening to Russian narratives. Exactly like they learned for decades from Russia belittle anyone and only accepting the US as their peer (because their propaganda doesn’t work without a dangerous enemy).
And so there are mainly two big groups in Eastern Europe: Brain-washed people that believe Russias bullshit, and brain-washed people hating Russia and still believing the bullshit as long as it’s a story about those idiots in Western Europe.
And sorry, you need to wake up yourself. That’s nothing others can do for you. The support for Ukraine’s fight against Russian occupiers is big enough to overlook the obvious bullshit going on with Ukraine and other Eastern European countries pushing bullshit about their actual allies in Europe. And it’s big enough to mostly overlook the constant delusional talk about Westeners beliebving in Russian propaganda narratives they haven’t even heard about yet. For now…
PS (personal opinion only): Also no, no US president will actually stop the Ukraine support. The whole republican party may talk loudly but the actual US problem is corporate control over legislature and government. And the military-industrial complex is huge, influential and booming because of the Western support of Ukraine.
It is no coincidence that those people all only managed to shift the narrative slightly. So now it’s the US that is their savior while all the useless Western European countries are weak and listening to Russian narratives. Exactly like they learned for decades from Russia belittle anyone and only accepting the US as their peer (because their propaganda doesn’t work without a dangerous enemy).
Read what you wrote… This does not really make much sense and mostly reads like the primary school level “analysis” that you see thrown around about how all Russians are the same and have always been the same. They actually currently do have a dangerous enemy in Russia so they have not needed to invent one at all. That much is obvious. They have not alienated themselves from the western european countries that are helping them in this fight but I’m sure most reasonable people would agree that has been happening pretty slowly… There are some valid reasons for that but from the POV of the Ukrainian people it absolutely makes sense that they are the ones advocating a stronger and faster response.
> I guess you never heard of RT and the sort.
Yes, I heard about them. But that’s exactly my point. They get banned here in domestic translation and that’s it. And as most people are not speakign Russian there is no way to get flooded by their bullshit narratives in other ways. You often need to belong to a very small group of morons communicating their bullshit in usually closed groups (and given those types of people it’s no coincidence they smoothly transitioned from population replacement to anti-vax and covid dictatorship to Russia-did-nothing-wrong bullshit; next will be probably flat earth… or some classic anti-semitic conspiracy to go back to their roots) to get the hand-made trnaslations of that propaganda.
That’s different for countries on Russias side of the iron curtain. And sorry, but at some point being told to stop believing Russian propaganda narrative X when in reality that accusation is also the first time you heard that piece of bullshit mentioned in the first place again and again by Eastern Europeans is tiring and shows a very accurate picture of who constantly hangs on Russia’s lips and can’t stop swallowing up their crap. All while also accusing others…
If you find my frustration after 1½ years of this is “sounding condescending”… Again, your problem, not mine.
We have gone very far from what prompted this. Russia’s ability to influence should not be overestimated and it should not be underestimated either. History has shown time and time again that it is relatively easy to get vast amounts of people to believe the most stupid bullshit. Most recently in the United States and in Russia. Such efforts need to be guarded against.
To bring things closer to what the subject of this community is, unfortunately one way this is becoming a significant problem right now is with the Republicans in America, the next president may well be inclined to stop supporting Ukraine.
> To bring things closer to what the subject of this community is, unfortunately one way this is becoming a significant problem right now is with the Republicans in America
And there is your problem: You actually mention “closer to the subject of this cummunity” and the US in the same breath. No, the closest problem for Ukraine (Russia aside, but they are so far gone there is nothing we can do about them but supporting their military defeat at this point) sit in Ukraine and in Ukraine neighbours. They can’t shed the ex-USSR then Russian conditioning and the fairy tales of the weak West.
It is no coincidence that those people all only managed to shift the narrative slightly. So now it’s the US that is their savior while all the useless Western European countries are weak and listening to Russian narratives. Exactly like they learned for decades from Russia belittle anyone and only accepting the US as their peer (because their propaganda doesn’t work without a dangerous enemy).
And so there are mainly two big groups in Eastern Europe: Brain-washed people that believe Russias bullshit, and brain-washed people hating Russia and still believing the bullshit as long as it’s a story about those idiots in Western Europe.
And sorry, you need to wake up yourself. That’s nothing others can do for you. The support for Ukraine’s fight against Russian occupiers is big enough to overlook the obvious bullshit going on with Ukraine and other Eastern European countries pushing bullshit about their actual allies in Europe. And it’s big enough to mostly overlook the constant delusional talk about Westeners beliebving in Russian propaganda narratives they haven’t even heard about yet. For now…
PS (personal opinion only): Also no, no US president will actually stop the Ukraine support. The whole republican party may talk loudly but the actual US problem is corporate control over legislature and government. And the military-industrial complex is huge, influential and booming because of the Western support of Ukraine.
Read what you wrote… This does not really make much sense and mostly reads like the primary school level “analysis” that you see thrown around about how all Russians are the same and have always been the same. They actually currently do have a dangerous enemy in Russia so they have not needed to invent one at all. That much is obvious. They have not alienated themselves from the western european countries that are helping them in this fight but I’m sure most reasonable people would agree that has been happening pretty slowly… There are some valid reasons for that but from the POV of the Ukrainian people it absolutely makes sense that they are the ones advocating a stronger and faster response.