I feel like it’s a lot closer to “well those fuckin’ Nazi wingnuts seem like they’re gonna start something at some point soon, so I think it’d be prudent to have some contingency plans”. That’s where my head is, at least.
You need a two hand approach, the larger peaceful movement and a smaller more aggressive movement to lead toward success. MLK & Malcolm X during the Civil Rights Movement is the example you want to set. You sway public opinion by showing violent actions committed against the unarmed peaceful protestors. You pressure by have your more aggressive wing just be themselves. Throughout American history this has been the path to change. The aggressive side doesn’t even need to be violent, they just have to be intimidating and scare the MAGAs. That us enough for them to attack the peaceful protestors who they will attack because they are cowards who crave conformity.
This, but don’t reform, abolish and build new. Our current oppressive systems are insidious and will rise back up through whatever crack they find. We need to create a society that would categorically stomp them out when they do.
Excellent timing. In a conversation I learned only yesterday that Red Neck wasn’t always a pejorative term. The miners wore red neckerchiefs. They were workers standing up to the man / system. It’s been completely changed in meaning deliberately, or so I was told, as part of the effort to erase them from history. Seems possible to me.
Also, there’s apparently no mention of this class battle in West Virginia history books. Anyone here able to verify that?
I’ve seen a lot of instigating comments and posts here on Lemmy today. Protect yourselves, but don’t go instigating in a violent way against people and their homes, it’s a distraction and gives people a reason to go after you.
The biggest difference is that they will face both police and National Guard if they try. It will be like the GOP response to the BLM protest with heavily armed troops, tanks, and helicopters.
You… know how many problems the police and military have with white supremacy in their ranks, right?
This is the legacy of the confederacy. There are a nontrivial number of people in law enforcement and the armed forces who unironically want to bring it back.
I feel like it’s a lot closer to “well those fuckin’ Nazi wingnuts seem like they’re gonna start something at some point soon, so I think it’d be prudent to have some contingency plans”. That’s where my head is, at least.
I believe we will get no necessary reforms without threat of violence. The rich will absolutely shoot us, so we just be prepared to do the same
Look up the Battle of Blair Mountain
You need a two hand approach, the larger peaceful movement and a smaller more aggressive movement to lead toward success. MLK & Malcolm X during the Civil Rights Movement is the example you want to set. You sway public opinion by showing violent actions committed against the unarmed peaceful protestors. You pressure by have your more aggressive wing just be themselves. Throughout American history this has been the path to change. The aggressive side doesn’t even need to be violent, they just have to be intimidating and scare the MAGAs. That us enough for them to attack the peaceful protestors who they will attack because they are cowards who crave conformity.
This, but don’t reform, abolish and build new. Our current oppressive systems are insidious and will rise back up through whatever crack they find. We need to create a society that would categorically stomp them out when they do.
Exactly this.
Non violent mass protests work because the implicit threat is, “make the changes we’re demanding or we’ll drag you out here and beat you to death.”
MLK was only effective because of the alternative of dealing with Malcolm X.
Excellent timing. In a conversation I learned only yesterday that Red Neck wasn’t always a pejorative term. The miners wore red neckerchiefs. They were workers standing up to the man / system. It’s been completely changed in meaning deliberately, or so I was told, as part of the effort to erase them from history. Seems possible to me.
Also, there’s apparently no mention of this class battle in West Virginia history books. Anyone here able to verify that?
I’m familiar with it, and I agree.
I’ve seen a lot of instigating comments and posts here on Lemmy today. Protect yourselves, but don’t go instigating in a violent way against people and their homes, it’s a distraction and gives people a reason to go after you.
The biggest difference is that they will face both police and National Guard if they try. It will be like the GOP response to the BLM protest with heavily armed troops, tanks, and helicopters.
You… know how many problems the police and military have with white supremacy in their ranks, right?
This is the legacy of the confederacy. There are a nontrivial number of people in law enforcement and the armed forces who unironically want to bring it back.
I think there was a song in the 90s about that, which someone will quote below.
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ