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Not only are we in the worst timeline…
I actually don’t have anything to add.
How did we get here? And even more terrifying how many people that actually went to go vote were surprised that Biden wasn’t on the ticket?!?!
And let me just go ahead and get myself in trouble. Fuck you every single person that didn’t vote for Kamala Harris that was eligible.
SPECIFICALLY…
Well I guess I don’t want to get in trouble that bad.
Yes, this is the fucking bullshit we live with. Due to our winner-take-all insanely backwards system…
I’m not technically allowed to properly criticize whomever didn’t show up to the polls.
Whatever groups they may or may not belong to.
Yeah I’m sounding like a motherfucking Maga bitch right now…
But guess what Arab Americans and black men??!?!!? ( if and only if those are demographics that didn’t show up to vote )
Get completely and totally fucked by the Trump administration. Has nothing to do with me and everything do with them
Edit:
For what it’s worth I’m terribly sorry for not including the Latino vote that went to Trump
Ultimately it doesn’t really matter which particular demographic I blame because the truth is I’m not blaming anyone in particular.
Fuck America, fuck me, and fuck Trump
But guess what Arab Americans and black men??!?!!? Get completely and totally fucked by the Trump administration.
lmao scratched liberal moment.
Why not blame whites, both men and women, who actually voted for Trump, despite the dems abandoning their base to appeal to them?
It’s everyone’s fault. We both know it.
Btw i specifically said : anyone not voting for Harris. Including POSSIBLY those demographics
And there it is, the fascist.
Really weird how everything liberals accuse leftists of is a projection.
How did we get here? Kamala didnt go on joe rogan thats how.
We got here because our candidate was someone who never won or placed well in a presidential primary.
The corporate interests couldnt risk bernie winning a primary
Bernie was a threat and that’s why he lost. Anyone who wants to help people in society are inherently against the corpse interests that have everyone under lock and key.
Harris was such a bad candidate. Lost 2020, somehow went “I can excuse Biden’s racist policies that hurt me, that I publicly stated in a debate against Biden”, and then just did nothing note worthy as VP.
And then Biden stayed in past the (shit) primaries, went out in his own terms instead of listening to the public. So now Harris has less time to plan and figure out what works.
And then she just ignored what people wanted and gave Republicans answers.
Oh yeah, blame the black and brown people for seeing genocide as a red line in who to vote for. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
Thank God Palestine is saved and all will be well there forever now huh
You are pushed from the 50th floor or the 100th floor. Doesn’t matter. You die the same.
Put yourself in a position where you get fucked just the same regardless of who you vote then you don’t have any incentive to vote at all.
I am not American so I say this as a neutral observing party that you guys tried to bully the Arab Americans into voting for dems and that dishonest plea by John Oliver that was actually insulting. Dems don’t have balls to take a side and then expect votes from all sides.
You are pushed from the 10th floor some time in the next week, or you are pushed from the 10th floor immediately and shot after impact.
Which is better?
Why did you reduce the floors? I wouldn’t mind getting shot after being pushed from the 50th floor though. Will be more pissed about falling then being shot at.
It was always a lost cause tbh
No of course we cannot blame voters for staying home. They had a gun to their head. On the plus side, Palestine has been SAVED! ❤️❤️❤️
Palestine was fucked regardless. Atleast one party was honest about it.
Which one was that?
Where I was wrong was with how narrow the result would he. It wasn’t even Gore v Bush levels of close unlike when Lichtman’s 13 keys prediction previously failed. Kamala lost the popular vote to a convicted felon that tried to usurp democracy and is the reason why abortion is no longer a federal right. The Republicans spent the last few weeks crapping on Haitians and Puerto Ricans, yet won some districts with large Latino populations.
This is what happens when Democrats ignore their voter base and choose a cabal of unpopular and uncharismatic candidates to carry the torch. The bar is now so low that we need James Cameron to venture out into the Mariana Trench and lift it back up again…
Harris was popular when she first announced. She then proceeded to run to the cold dead embrace of the Biden campaign.
Progressive policy is more popular than any candidate, if they focused on rent control, free healthcare, free childcare, free college and other immediate, material improvements to people’s conditions, they’d have won in a landslide. Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren’t in the bag for Trump.
Harris was popular when she first announced.
I don’t think she was popular when first announced, rather the fact that not-Biden was popular.
Absolutely.
I’m convinced that Biden would have won.
I personally believe that this is not Biden’s or Kamala’s fault. It’s the old-school Democrat establishment’s fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections. Lichtman predicted a Biden win, bad debate performance and all, and the dems fucked it up.
To be transparent, I still believed Lichtman when he said Harris would win. I will never believe in his stuff again, unless he adds new keys or something.
I personally believe that this is not Biden’s or Kamala’s fault. It’s the old-school Democrat establishment’s fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections.
Yes. Every time, even in 2020 when the mood of the country was very different, they are afraid to run anything other than center-right candidates because they “aren’t electable”. Guess what - your corporatist center-right candidates are consistently priming people to receive the protectionist messages from the fascists, Maybe fucking try something different some time, fucking DNC!
OK, the next question is: How do we convey this to liberals who think we want the dems to lose?
In the words of my boomer mother, “Things aren’t going to get better until the boomers die off.”
It’s probably not even boomers anymore. This community, full of everything from hardcore progressives to literal communists, has gone feral defending Harris’s disaster of a campaign. You couldn’t, and still can’t, call the DNC out for running a horrible candidate with a horrible (nonexistent) platform without being called a troll or a Russian bot. The new generation fell for the two party system hook, line and sinker.
I think y’all just need to come to terms that America is further right than the Democrat party, and the Democratic party moving left is not going to help them.
the Democratic party moving left is not going to help them.
How would we know that? They’ve never tried.
Because there’s no point flirting with the non-existent further left.
Huh? Obama won by getting leftist votes so that clearly isn’t true.
What leftist votes and in what numbers?
Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren’t in the bag for Trump.
YES! I held my nose and voted for her, she turned her back on everything that looked like hope and change during her campaign. Her reaction to R looking weak was to jump to the right, somehow.
Having said that, anyone who needed to be wooed to not vote for Trump was a lost cause, but she literally turned away from every sort of policy decision that excites Democrats.
No she didn’t
California Proposition 33. Repeals ban on local rent controls.
61.6% No · 52% reporting
That’s bizarre, were people confused by the wording? Was there a media blitz by local landlords? More people are renters than landlords so obviously the majority doesn’t want rent to be higher.
There was a massive media campaign against it. Every other political ad on tv was against it .
Progressive policies are popular until billionaires spend millions of dollars convincing people that the world will end if we help poor people a bit.
That’s true, we need a strategy to deal with the media.
The same thing could be observed when even the most right-wing democrats in 2020 were saying we need police reform, and in 2022, they were all talking about a made-up crime wave, or how every election until now, reliable dem voters understood immigration is a net positive for society, but suddenly they’re talking about how Kamala is going to secure the border
I think inflation is the biggest part of why Trump won. People wrongly blamed Biden for it. I guess we’ll just have to learn some lessons again.
People learned a lesson the first time?!
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around? As an outsider it’s honestly just crazy to me that the difference can be so huge, almost unimaginable.
Or it goes to show how much of a bubble we have here and how skewed the reporting in other countries is. So far there is absolutely no indication that it would be rigged and frankly the disconnect of the liberal online bubbles es emblematic for the disconnect of the Dem party from the people.
This definitely
Even if it were - what are we gonna do about it? After shitting all over the place with their BS for the past four years, claiming an election is stolen has risen to “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” levels.
There would need to be a 4k video of Trump and cronies detailing exactly how they were going to do it, and every detail would need to be easily verified, and even then I’m not sure it would get enough traction to matter.
I don’t really think so, I think the Trump campaign is as surprised as the rest of us. Their plan to steal the election hinged on them calling the results into question and contesting the whole thing through the Trump-friendly Supreme Court.
I wonder if any of them are disappointed. They were planning for a coup, but they were given power freely.
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around?
There’s always a chance of almost anything, but it is very slim (conspiracy theory) with no evidence to support it:
“Importantly, we have no evidence of any malicious activity that had a material impact on the security or integrity of our election infrastructure,” per the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director Jen Easterly.
Source: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/statement-cisa-director-easterly-security-2024-elections
We still don’t know what their “little secret” is.
Congratu-fucking-lations
I was born just before Reagan was elected. Growing up, I got the mostly mistaken impression that America had some of its shit sorted from Vietnam, WWII, and all that 20th century turmoil. A period of stability. Upward trending society. Reagan undid a lot of that progress.
I’ve been watching this country die, slowly, for 45 years. This has been such a weird time to be alive. Fighting over scraps we volunteered to subsist on instead of overthrowing corrupt and cruel systems. We had periods we thought we were recovering. We had hope. I feel today like there isn’t any left. Another four years of this, and it will be worse.
He struck a fatal blow. He used the tools of fear and rhetoric to do it. The weakness was there, the vulnerability. And here is the next evolution of American fear. We’re a country voluntarily destroying itself out of fear of our imminent destruction. We had everything, and we gave it away.
We heard the call of the void, and we’ve answered.
I’d like to take this moment to shine the spotlight on aidan@lemmy.world, HLMenckenFan@lemmy.world, jordanlund@lemmy.world, little_cow@lemmy.world, and outrageousmatter@lemmy.world
The mods of this community (and indeed this whole instance) demonstrated that pulling out all stops to censor even the most valid and well-worded criticisms of Kamala Harris’s absolute shit, right wing platform are a recipe for disaster.
I hope it’s clear now: If your supposed leftist candidate can’t even run to the left of the GOP, they are going to lose. This is what happens when corporatists take over your entire party and you jump to their defense, pulling out all the stops against actual leftists, trying to raise the alarm that our party has been stolen because you’re a stupid identity politics dupe.
Just with a bit of estimation of the remaining 12% of votes uncounted, Trump is going to beat his 2020 vote record by a couple million, 81 million on the high end and maybe closer to 77 million on the low end. Unlikely, but possible he beats the 2020 all time record set by Biden. Definitely beats his 2020 numbers.
Kamala recently pulled ahead of Hillary’s 65 million and Obama’s 66 million, she’s gonna end up around 71-74 million.
Kamala lost the Popular Vote. In fact she won some blue states by smaller margins then she lost some ‘swing’ states. Nevada might not even be tight enough to qualify as a swing state this election(needs to be 5% or less, Trump’s currently winning by 5.2% meaning it wasn’t a swing state), meanwhile Minnesota was won by 3, New Jersey by 4, New Hampshire by 4 and a half, and Maine might be lost we’ll see, but those 4 were all swing states as the margin was less than 5%. New Mexico and Virginia came very close(and New Mexico would have been under 5 without RFK Jr dragging Trump down a point).
This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again. 2028 a tight election with a Democrat win could see them lose the PV and win the EC.
I had a ton of 2004 vibes from the start and it looks like that was correct. He is coming back to serve a second term, and YES, this time he won the national electiiion
Wanna know what happens next? Check out history repeats itself, or any of the Project 2025 analyses.
Edit: Look on the bright side, at least we won’t have to take time from our busy schedules to vote four years from now.
Kind of an unsatisfying but still well deserved “TOLD YOU SO” moment… I knew those fuckers would be moronic enough to vote for this shit faced fascist again, while everyone told me to expect a Harris landslide… The fact that everyone talked about fucking grocery prices, tech research, housing prices, kids, abortions, and other (in the grand scheme of things) irrelevant bullshit that won’t matter anymore, while we’re literally about to seal the deal on our fate as a species, tells you clearly that no one wants to understand where we’re headed and what’s at stake.
But since nothing matters anymore, here’s some more predictions from yours truly:
- The US will turn into a fascist state (Tankies: AcKcHyUaLlY… ☝🏻🤡)
- Ukraine is going to get fucked by Russia, genociding them for good. The only chance here would be if NATO went in to liberate Ukraine before Trump is inaugurated, but neither Biden nor the rest of the West is going to have the balls for that.
- Moldova will follow right after.
- Taiwan will get fucked by China.
- The world will fall into an economic crisis due to the fall of TSMC.
- The rise of far right extremism & politics will continue within Europe.
- NATO Alliance will be practically gone.
- Far right countries in Europe will join Russia.
- Russia & Friends will invade and annex the Baltic States.
- The world globally failing to do anything to curb emissions will fall into a climate collapse. Causing food and water shortages, severe natural disasters, millions upon millions of climate refugees - which will get shot at the borders due to the now far right policies. All other issues above will amplify with the world state worsening and becoming more and more unstable.
TLDR: Nothing fucking matters anymore, we’re done. Thanks, you dumb fucks.
It’s going to be a world war. They wrote my whole family’s fucking epitaph with this election.
This is a clown timeline, absolutely maddening to see the world fall into the hands of fascists so quickly. I was so active this election cycle, more than ever, and I had prayed to a god I don’t even believe in, but alas the US has chosen its’ path, and that path is one history will remember.
ChatGPT just provided an interesting result. Although I was looking for something a bit more unique to use for the next 4(plus) years.
Yeah, it’s not too good at this.
I’m trans and I’m terrified, terrified for my queer friends and family, terrified for Ukraine and Palestine, and terrified for the planet.
If you didn’t vote or voted for this piece of shit, fuck you. If you voted for him, you deserve the massive inflation and shit he’s about to put you through.
The only silver lining is that maybe the Republicans will just forget about trans people until it’s time to stoke the hate again for the next election.
But yeah, very disappointing result. The country was willing to vote in a twice impeached convicted felon (whose sentencing will be postposed indefinitely, I suspect) over a gasp! brown woman.
My little vote was a piss in the ocean, but the DEMOCRAT PARTY had the power to run a good candidate, to fund a GREAT CAMPAIGN, but instead, they put Trump in power. It was so bad it has to be deliberate.
And they got you to blame ME for it. Your fellow citizen.
The power elites win.
PS. I voted for Kamala, but I hate this shit of you blaming individual voters, like they aren’t just trying to vote for a better life for themselves.
They can’t vote for a better life for themselves by not voting.
Surely you didn’t expect another 81+ Million democrat turnout like Biden got, did you? That will not happen again, not for a long time. It’s an outlier by a good bit. Even with the Libertarian and Green candidates it was ridiculous what happened last election, and is really only explained by Covid and people not having other things to do. Check out the link to Wikipedia popular vote numbers below, or just look at the graphic. It’s startling. You got as much as Democrats could give.
Massive Republican Turnout.
I’m straight and white, and I am also terrified for my queer friends and family. I figured Israel was always a lost cause but Ukraine is going to be so fucking stupid and painful when they get starved after we offered support.
If you didn’t vote or voted for this piece of shit, FUCK YOU
Ukraine was always friendly with the Trump crowd, I think. So is Putin, but this is not as clear cut. Palestine is fucked, but it already was. Vance even said something along not interfering between Israel and Iran, so it’s about equally fucked, maybe even less fucked.
We live in a world with skewed media picture of what’s happening, and the distortion by Trump people and the distortion by DNC people do not cancel each other out. In some ways they work in the same direction.
Only the biggest and rawest facts should really be used in the comparison. What both have actually done in full. Not what they promise, not project 2025, just the real things. Weapons, money, territory, and not a token amount with some promise, but all. Same way you pay for groceries. Politicians are like shoplifters.
“Ukraine was always friendly with the Trump crowd, I think.”
Timmy, what the everloving fuck are you smoking?
Well, the previous govt was pretty shitty leftovers from the Soviet era. Zelenskyy has turned out to not only talk the talk for a tv show but walk the walk and actually lead the country. He knows how fucked this is and is trying to do damage control in hope of keeping the ammo coming. Like most things conservative every accusation is a confession, when Putin talked about de-nazifying Ukraine, they had already done so through the democratic process and put the funny guy in charge.
With the rerun of this administration though, who knows which side we’ll send aid to and there may be someone in Kyiv loyal to Moscow again. I really fucking hope not but this result will likely do more to help the orcs than our new allies.
“orcs”
Cut that shit the fuck out. Dehumanization is the weapon of the enemy. We do not use it.
Hurrrrr
Trump withheld aid to Ukraine for personal favors. Trump supporters are evil morons.
Harris got 15 mill less than biden. Trump got same number of votes basically.
They just slept
America made it clear that they will not vote for a woman. Especially a woman of color. Fuck America
I suspected if she lost it was because she was a woman. Others are saying it was all Gaza and they didn’t vote in protest. A commentor replied to me showing the margins are like 10s of thousands in one state.
She seem way better than Hillary too. Hillary reminded me of my grandma but in all the bad ways.
Guess Trump may nuke the whales. Tried to nuke a hurricane.
Anyone who didn’t vote in protest needs to shut the fuck up now. I don’t wanna hear another damn word out of them regarding Gaza, or moralizing to the world. They will now get to see Gaza be dismantled.
They really stuck it to the Democratic party, hope they’re fucking happy that their solution to the Gaza situation is to accelerate wiping Palestinians from existence. Blood is on their hands now more than anyone that did the bare minimum to keep democracy alive.
Nobody learned the lesson from 2016. We can’t stick it to the dems until the GOP goes away.
I bet the dems are high fiving each other right now from all the donations they are going to get.
We can’t change how people work, adopting republican policies and compromising your democratic policies decreases turnout with the base.
We can only tell the democratic politicians to do what they need to do to win, which isn’t triangulating yourself 2 inches to the left of the republican to try to chase “moderate republicans” who prefer diet fascism to the real thing.
I bet the dems are high fiving each other right now from all the donations they are going to get.
HHsssss…aaay!
No, wrong; you still dont get it, do you?
Democracy is done in the USA
The genocide will continue until moral improves.
Either that, or that America will not vote for the status quo again.
Trump is the status quo as well so apparently they will
He really, really isn’t.
No he really is. What is more status quo than a rich white guy as president with conservative values?
Trump is campaigning on making massive changes to American domestic and foreign policy. I don’t like the changes he’s pursuing, but he is absolutely not running on the status quo. And that is, in fact, exactly what won him the race.
If he was just running on the status quo, he wouldn’t be a threat to democracy. Deporting 20 million people isn’t the status quo. Repealing civil rights isn’t status quo. Attacking or ending NATO isn’t status quo. Abandoning Ukraine isn’t status quo. Befriending Russia isn’t status quo.
Yes, Trump is a conservative white guy. But type of thinking, focusing on identity groups and demographics, is what has got us here. Kamala herself is a historically novel nominee, she was new in terms of personal identity. But she wasn’t actually offering anything other than the same milquetoast centrism of Biden.
This is the problem. People are hurting. Trump actually had something to offer these people. He said, “elect me, I’ll throw out all the immigrants, and by doing so I’ll lower the cost of housing and increase wages!” It’s a horrible, evil, and long-term unproductive solution, but he was actually offering SOMETHING. Democrats offered no meaningful answers to the things people are actually hurting on. The only thing Democrats offered were wonky dismissals of economic concerns by citing official inflation numbers and calculated real wage gains. (Ignoring figures like ratio of median housing cost to median wage.)
People are in pain right now. People are on the edge, driven to the brink by late-stage capitalism. Biden was a milquetoast centrist, but he was able to barely eek out a win by running on a lot of progressive promises in 2020. He walked away from a lot of those commitments and governed as the centrist he is. Harris offered just more of the same. Neither offered real meaningful solutions and proved completely incapable of handling the crises at hand.
Trump again, he actually offered solutions, or at least something that seems like a solution. Like it or not, he WAS the change candidate of 2020. And that is what won him the election.
Well seems like he won twice on going back to the 1950s status quo.
That is NOT the status quo. You’re talking about someone promising to make utterly massive changes to US foreign and domestic policy. People are hurting for change, and if they can’t find that change on the left, they’ll find it on the right.
They just slept
Look at this snoozer. Absolutely sleepymaxxing. A bedtimepilled pillowcel. Got a blanket under his head just lost in the sleepy sauce.
The Democrat vote is ALWAYS 15 million below Biden’s RECORD popular vote number! Trump got HUGE numbers for a Republican. Do your homework, and stop trying to create a narrative using COVID numbers.
Being that I’m not transgender or American I don’t think I can personally understand everything you’re feeling right now. All I can say is be strong for yourself, and your friends and family; we all need to support each other if we are going to get through this.
And a double fuck you to anyone who voted for Trump.
Not even there.
All I have to say:
What…
The…
Fuck…
Exit polls show 12% of lgbtq voters voted for Trump. 12% of lgbtq voters voted to be jailed, castrated, and discriminated against by their country. That is not only terrifying but also embarrassing.
Well, provided you won’t get gas-chambered or something, there’s one good thing in this event - the electorate has shown that there’s no way DNC behaves in this arrogant “we know better and we won’t let anyone other than our bosses near power” and wins. First in 2016, second in 2024.
Then the next election might actually be the last with the existing system in your country. And this one might have been the last with the two old parties competing. I think it’s nice. Provided, again, … .
What about the party that lost the election, quite possibly by choosing to enable a genocide further, as it deemed that more important than winning the election? What about the party, that chose to ignore the devastating effects of inflation on normal Americans, instead of providing a concise plan of revamping the economy, as that would anger its billionaire donors?
Why blame the people instead of the Democratic party leaders, who remained steadfast at the side of the elites, leaving the people to be peddled to by Trump?
“what about…”
I don’t doubt that the Dems had a poor campaign. However, I’m totally allowed to blame the dumbasses that voted for fascism. These dumbasses are ultimately the ones that filled the box for our authoritarian future. I’ll say it again: fuck them.
About one hundred million people declined to vote at all.
And fuck them, too. They’re just as responsible.
They are all bad. They all work together against positive change.
Since it’s people that voted Trump and Co. In, I’ll be blaming people.
Buckle to the top, kick to the bottom. And you wonder why the authoritarian politicians win…
Fuck off, you’re not even American.
You are only proving it further. This kind of comments sounds just like MAGA voters. And that is part of the issue. How do you want to beat them politically, if you let them influence your political culture in their way?
No. I’m tired of people on Lemmy that aren’t even American trying to tell us what to do in our own elections.
I don’t go astroturfing in posts about your countries politics. So yes, you can fuck right off.
America tells other countries how to vote or we’ll overthrow their governments. Even in the 2020s we told South American countries “Elect who we want or we’ll cut off money and send in troops.”
The world watched America out of fear of Trump winning. Rightfully so. He’s a mad man who hates anyone but himself.
I’m not going to get mad at people who affected by who runs the world police, the biggest economy, the biggest armed forceds, an unconditional UN veto, and so many more things.
Trump is bad for everyone in the world. Makes sense people are scared and wanting to chime in.
If your country wouldn’t operate multiple military bases in my country, including storing some nuclear warheads here, operating huge lobby groups that captured large parts of my countries press as well as high ranking politicians like chancellors or foreign ministers you had a point. Economically we also have a lot of American investments. Heck the possible next chancellor is an asset of Blackrock. One of the leaders of the fascist party is an asset of Goldman Sachs and neoliberal think tanks.
But as Americans are influencing the fate of my country quite extensively, i will voice my opinion about what they should and shouldn’t do. Which i think is a rather small influence compared to military, political and economic influence the US is exerting here.
Well now you got what you wanted: the hero to end the genocide. Any minute now they’ll stop the war effort, for fear of further angering the fuhrer
This toxic abusive browbeating is what just handed the election to Trump.
You shouldn’t be arguing with them, considering you just lost us and election.
Yes I recognize you as one of the top Democratic vote discouragers. Thank you for that. I mean er yeah it was my fault you repeat Russian propaganda
You are why Harris lost.
👆 Actual bullying language.
Yes I was spreading the message not to vote for her like you. Thanks for your help comrade
No one said not to vote for her. But your abusive toxicity has been on display for months, years. YOU drive voters away. You making excuses for the candidates shitty positions instead of demanding better from them, left the candidate in a weak electoral position.
If I scratch your comment history, will I find you effectively defending her position on Israel? Will I find you defending her step to the right to campaign with Cheney and celebrate Republicans?
You needed to fucking listen to your betters who understand this world more than the assumptions you want to make about it
Your arrogance and hubris have damned us all.
Well i guess the 130ish Million people who voted for more genocide got what they wanted.
And we warned this would happen.
Because the pro Israel people had a safe vote with Trump. Harris trying not to take a strong stance, while further enabling the genocide tough, alienated people.
Now the silver lining is that Democrats have a chance to learn, that being against genocide is the only stance a supposedly progressive party can take. But they rather risked and chose to loose the election instead of being steadfast against genocide.
But you can already see here how people are blaming black and Arab voters. The white supremacy runs deep in both parties, so the idea that anything would have changed under Harris is laughable.
Shove the third party shit, no one gives a fuck about your favorite Russian asset Jill Stein.
“Harris could have won, if she took a clear anti-genocide stance”
“RuSSIAN ASSETTTSESETSE!!!”
Yeah what the fuck ever. You must be gleeful right now. You got exactly what you wanted
The Democrats having the chance to learn is going to be of limited use of Republicans build the fascist autocracy they intend to build.
Unfortunately they chose not to learn during the past 8 years.
They repeated most of the errors they did in 2016, while Trump just did Trump again. That is also why i say the blame lies with the party leaders. This was preventable with setting the right priorities.
What errors from 2016 exactly?
- Unsympathetic candidate from the depths of the establishment.
- Focusing on virtue signaling “how can you not want a women? And now she is asian and black too!” instead of real life improvements for the affected demographics. Especially after 8 years of Obama have shown that a black president doesn’t mean much in that regard.
- Focusing on who they are not, instead of focusing who they are.
- Not opening up for a full primary, instead pushing the establishment candidate through.
- Not addressing peoples economic concerns and offering a progressive solution for that, instead sucking up to the billionaire donors
- Having a candidate that is currently involved in a war/genocide or advocating for more of it (Hillary)
- Establishing a culture of looking down on “stupid” or “backwards” rural and rust belt voters
- Sending contradictory in or mixed messages on various issues, depending on who they address/what the latest poll said to be important
- Sending a message of a sure election in their bubbles, demotivating some of their usual voters.
- Focusing on endorsements by high profile celebrities, further giving the image of a party of elites, rather than for the normal people.
Those were the bunch that came to my mind and what i remember seeing in various election streams.
Either you elect a party that wants to do that, or every time elect the other party that is not very democratic inside itself, despite the name. Both seem like autocracy to me.
Maybe something would change under Harris. Maybe not.
But it is absolutely certain that it won’t change under Trump.
I am old enough and have gone through so many “vote for lesser of two evils” elections to be able to tell you that not voting for lesser of two evils is wrong. I myself skipped voting few times because I hated both sides. But absolutely every fucking time the worse person winning was a much, much worse outcome.
Everyone’s main enemy are billionaires. They have spent considerable resources making sure people vote for Trump.
And here we are, people whining how Harris didn’t make a promise to go after billionaires while at the same time enabling those same billionaires to do as they please, through Trump.
200 IQ move, indeed.
Not voting is absolutely the wrong move. It signals complacency.
Voting third party shows that people care enough, but aren’t willing to give power under the current policies/proposed policies. This is also why ranked choice is vastly superior to first past the post. It allows for a more coherent signaling from the people into politics.
We didn’t have the luxury of not being held hostage by FPTP, WTA, and the absence of a viable “good” choice.
Yet we still couldn’t unite against fascism.
And now it’s here, delivered right to our doorsteps, no signature required.
There’s a more than reasonable chance that any perceived “education” of the dems has become completely moot. The fascists have full control of the government. The checks and balances no longer apply. There are no brakes.
Hope you’re fucking happy.
I sure am. Watching libs seethe is hilarious
I would have been happy if the Dems had stopped supporting genocide, saving tens of thousands of lifes and then winning in a landslide.
Thats what i advocated for for months. But the party would rather risk losing the election to Trump than stop sending weapons to a genocide.
So you’re happy with where we are today?
chose to ignore the devastating effects of inflation on normal Americans, instead of providing a concise plan of revamping the economy
Come on. The party in office when inflation came back down. Inflation rate is near normal now. Blame them for not communicating effectively or blame voters for looking at cumulative inflation over four years, rather than resulting inflation
I hate this timeline
THIS is the bad place!
Looks like Trump is going to touch us all in the bad place.
Hopefully Chidi and Eleanor will save us all soon.
Even Jason figured this one out.
I thought we escaped the worst timeline where Trump won in 2020, but it seems we never left it. This is even worse… packed SC from the start, granted complete immunity right from the get-go…
My only solace is that people endure far worse and manage to find some level of happiness. So just gotta endure and take care of each other and our own and keep searching for daylight
If there’s any silver lining a meteor might hit us and put us out of our misery before we have to worry about wet bulb temperatures
There’s a good chance for another major pandemic, and we’re passing the global warming point of no return.
For better or worse, the US was the biggest player on the planet; now that we’ve fumbled, I think the world is done for. Maybe China could have risen to take the US’s place, but they’re stumbling toward an economic catastrophe, India has their own problems, and Russia is exposed as a bit player. The EU could have been a shining beacon, but they’re struggling with their own rise in fascism. Who else is there? A South American country? They’re barely holding on to their own economies. Canada? Too small - I mean, big country, but not very big population (1/10th of the US). And the US is big enough that when we go down, we’re going to drag a lot of the planet with us. Shit, thanks to Russia and Israel, we’ve been edging into WWIII. Trump’s senile enough to press the button, I have no doubt, and he’ll be completely surrounded by moronic Yes-men this time, with no one to try to talk sense into him. Maybe a relatively quick, fiery end would be better than a painful spiral.
We’re done as a planet. Some creatures will survive, but humans have used up all the readily available low-tech surface resources - oils, coals, metals - so anything that evolves intelligence after us won’t make it past the stone age. And then, the sun will die.
At least we have more solid evidence to the answer to Fermi’s paradox. It’d be a bigger question if we weren’t rushing toward our own extinction.
I’d thought the Great Filter would be a more formidable event than a reality TV host
Oh, man. That’d be a book. Or maybe a chapter in an alternate version of Hitchhiker’s.
It always turns out to be the equivalent of a reality show host.
Count us out. Canada has our own Trump wannabe lined up. He’s been like 20-30 points ahead and we’re no where close to election time.
Ontario the biggest province stayed home and didn’t bother to vote out the conservative premiere who has been fucking shit up. They all stayed home and handed him another majority. In a year or so we will elect our analog of Trump. Make no mistake he’s stocked the party full of MAGA and Proud Boys. I’m not being dramatic. It’s literally what it is. Within 4 years Canada will be openly aligned with Trump.
Yeah, I kinda figured when the truck convoy started out there you guys had your own problems.
And it hates us ❤️
America is a country full of stupid people.
This is happening all over the world. The USA are just a little further ahead compared to Europe.
That’s true, but whataboutism doesn’t help much in a thread about the US election. Besides, in hardly any other democratic country in the world is the far-right or fascist candidate so obviously completely unsuitable: Trump has already been president and has previously made policies contrary to the interests of the idiots who voted for him; he has a criminal record for fraud and has been found guilty in various proceedings for many other crimes, such as sexual harassment, defamation and fraud amounting to millions. It doesn’t get any more obvious than that.
Yeah but so many people here didn’t vote for him and are just as appalled, so when we’re lumped in with the people who did vote for him that’s gonna make people pretty defensive
Yes, I get that of course. I’m sorry for you and every other US citizen that did not vote for him. I’m from Europe and still posted some anti-Trump stuff because I despise him and everything he stands for. I think he is a threat for the whole world.
It’s not whataboutism when OC was the one saying it is a US specific issue
OC said America was full of stupid people. I can’t see how that means that the US would be the only country full of stupid people. Of course there are lots and lots of stupid people elsewhere. Pointing that out in the context of the US election sure sounds like whataboutism to me. My only point is that it does not make things any better just because there are other countries with similar issues. But I see what you mean and think you are right: maybe other countries can learn something from this debacle - I don’t have much hope anymore in that regard but we will see.
Errr… México says hi, we elected the fascist one by a huge landslide and it’s been doing fascist things since day 1 so… Even when it’s extremely obvious, people will still pick the worst one if it has enough astrosurfing behind them.
We’re doing shit about it too, still acting as if the fascists party would listen to reason and not as their cult leader tells them to.I’m from Germany and here, too, the fascists are unfortunately on the rise again - despite our terrible past. I realize, of course, that you can’t talk sense to them because they simply ignore arguments and cling uncritically to the lies of their leaders. Nevertheless, I think the situation in the USA is somewhat different, because Trump was already president in pretty much everyone’s lifetime and has only made policy for the super-rich; he has also been convicted of fraud several times and has also enriched himself from the general public (the list goes on). You would think that those who are not die-hard fascists, of which there are probably many, would take this as an opportunity to see through his lies about a better life for the little people. But unfortunately that didn’t happen, I can’t for the life of me understand why not. I mean if you understand stupidity as the inability to learn from mistakes, it seems extremely stupid to me to vote for Trump even a second time.
You think people go around understanding and learning, trying to be better or to prevent others from suffering the same fate… but you are wrong, most humans are resentful assholes, who only care about themselves and are happy with all the astrosurfing and the chance to be assholes to others, I suffered because of X, so you have to suffer through Y while I laugh at you.
The same thing happened here in México, the puppet’s campaign was empty, just promising to keep doing what the expresident told her to… and that was enough to win, nobody cared for anything else, just the promise to bribe the lowest class and force the rest into lowering their life quality.
I’ve been saying this for a while, but they abuse that decent people try to be tolerant of them, not to make them angry or insult them, trying to be the reasonable ones… if we keep this way they are going to keep going with nobody standing up to them.
I don’t really want to accept it, but you’re probably right.
But the original comment, calling us all morons, is helpful?
No, of course not. It’s just that even people from other countries are pissed because the US elected Trump a second time. Now we have to deal with his horrible policies again. I personally think the man is a threat for the whole democratic world and because of his horrible positions on climate change and other issues even for the whole world.
And you’re right about all this, but calling us all idiots specifically is not helpful. Millions of Americans are incredibly upset by this. It will be disastrous and there’s not a fucking thing we can do. We voted and it didn’t matter.
I’m sorry if you took my comment that way. I’m really the very last person who wants to lump an entire country together. My point was simply that this election has once again shown that there are significant problems in the US (education, racism, corruption, inequality, etc.) that have allowed Trump to deceive the population yet again. To relativize now by pointing out that things are just as bad or even worse elsewhere in the world only distracts from the real issue in my opinion. Nevertheless, I wish you all the best and very much hope that you can somehow put a stop to Trump’s greed and his terrible ideology.
Way further ahead. Dude literally says he wants to be a dictator.
Only on day 1 haha. Gonna be something interesting to see happen. We should get bingo cards going for day 1
You go ahead and make bingo cards, I’ll be prepping for the civil war.
Thanks for trying to make us feel better, but…
That is simply not true. The extremely varied political landscape of Europe is not comparable to the US…
Wow almost like people are getting sick of being told what to do and how to think by the woke ideology.
Did we huwt youw feewings?
No. You acted as though u had the right to tell me what to do and that i was a bad for how i was born. U judged me by the colour of my skin not the quality if my charecter, and i dont like that.
If that’s what you think equity looks like then I’d say any judgement of your character was likely spot on.
Whats wrong with my understanding of equallity? Please elaborate
Waste of time since your ability to read seems low. Equality ≠ equity
Sorry you took our opposition to colonialism and white supremacy personally. Maybe you should think about why. That’s clearly not the intention.
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Oh okay, so trannies are your thing… whatever, colonialism and white supremacy were examples. You can say whatever you want, dude, and you clearly have on any number of occasions. Don’t mistake us calling you out for your bullshit for suppression of your free speech. As a self-proclaimed retard, I’m guessing you probably don’t fully understand the issues you’re talking about. I’d be more likely to call you ignorant, which is fine, because ignorance can be cured.
All we can see here is the quality of your character. And guess what
Was i talking about u (as in u personaly) or u as in ur ideology and its advocates i interact with irl?
U u u ur.
Learn how to spell.
If you’re not a queer person of color this comment is so insanely ironic.
Why must i be a queer person of colour? Sounds like ur saying im not allowed to think or say this without being a queer person of colour. Did u just prove my point?
No you troglodyte, I’m saying you’re proving theirs.
Can you define exactly what woke ideology is?
Woke ideology is a social and philosophical movement that prioritizes identity politics, cultural Marxism, and social constructivism.
It emphasises:
- The importance of group identity over individual identity
- The existence of systemic oppression and power imbalances
- The need to challenge and dismantle these systems
Basicly
- Language policing
- Cancel culture
- Moral absolutism
- Compliance and conformity
This then meads to:
- Intellectual suppression
- Censorship
- Social conformity
- Divisiveness
Somehow vague and semi specific at the same time. Just dressed up crybaby bullshit for “I can’t insult minorities with impunity anymore!”
Mkre bad faith insults really?
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You can apply all of this to the Trump conservative movement, except that systemic oppression and power imbalances are treated as natural, and thus (at best) not something we need to be concerned about.
Really lets try it:
“The Trump conservative movement is a social and philosophical movement that prioritizes identity politics, cultural Marxism, and social constructivism.” - some guy on lemmy
I mean, Trump conservatism is clearly influenced and informed by post-modernist philosophy. Social constructivism is there in spades. Identity politics predate all of this and have been used by both sides extensively over time. Cultural Marxism… I’m not even sure what it is - sort of an amalgam of critical theory and (((them)))? Okay, you got me on that one.
Lmao did you just make that up yourself?
No i asked my uncensored ai
At least you admit you actually can’t think for yourself
Reads the term “Cultural Marxism”… stops reading.
Hey it’s uh like when you grow a beard that seems like Marx would like it.
And block the fucker too.
I hear what you’re saying, but… I’m no blocker.
I guess u cant see this but enjoy ur echo chamber. Its been proven echo chambers make people more extremist.
Why u gonna engage with the ideas or just sit their brooding with a disapproving look?
Imagine I was hungry and you kindly served up a platter of exotic and mysterious food but right in the middle of it there was a festering lump of rotten meat… suddenly I wouldn’t be so hungry. That’s how I feel whenever I encounter that term. There’s no great bogeyman controlling things - it’s just that humanity is slowly moving away from its obsession with invisible sky men telling everyone how to live.
Holy fuck, haha.
You are literally defining conservatives everywhere. Do you not fucking get it?
Get what?
And yeah the left and right of the political spectrum as well as the top and bottom are conjoined. Effectively the political spectrum is topologically a torus.
One thing I have noticed is that conservatives everywhere absolutely want to tell everyone else what to do, while crying like little snowflakes about ‘wokeism’ (and none of them can answer what it is).
Projection and all that.
If u could read u would see my definition in responce to the guy who asked. I really wouldnt consider myself a conservative either but since im not with you i must be your enemy.
Just thought I’d drop this little tidbit… I tagged you a while ago “likes the R word a lot”. People are so predictable.
Predictability doesnt make me wrong.
But being a bigot sure as shit does
Welp i havnt done that.
You argued in favor of using the R word after using it. It’s not really debatable.
To be fair, isn’t everywhere? Yeah I get it we have some real morons but the uneducated fucks that voted for Trump don’t define us
Sorry, we live in a democracy and the majority rules.
What point do you think you’re making?
That we are defined by them because we are a democracy, and pretending America is somehow good doesn’t change that.
I didn’t pretend America is good. It’s quite clearly a piece of shit. I won’t humor anymore snide bullshit because my point was very self evident
Yes, and I disagree with it. The uneducated fucks who voted for Trump most certainly define us.
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. 😭
51% of voters at least.
Whatever helps you cope.
So, I always thought it was just a mean bully thing to say, but, as a group, Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.
We are so fucked. The repercussions of this election are going to effect everything from SCOTUS to county courts. This is so utterly disgusting. People looked at the shit spewing from his mouth and said, “Yes, represent me.”
Fuck this country.
Now watch the effects ripple through the world. Now that a guy like him can be elected, politicians around the world will take note and use the same playbook. And it will probably work.
We already felt it in France with the 2016 US election, I can’t imagine what the next decade will be like…
As a Canadian who has watched our politics slowly try to mimic America’s, I’m terrfieid. As it is our conservative provincial premier is ripping out bike lanes on city streets that have apartments being built right now that offers significantly more bike parking than car parking. Its backwards progress, a signifcant amount of the lanes were just built and now we gotta spend more money ripping them out because some fat conservative feels offended he is too unfit to cycle.
I’m fearful for my trans family and friends. Poilievre and Trump is a terrible combination. We are going to need real grassroots political organizing to protect each other and civil disobedience in large numbers to slow the fascists in their persecution and environmental damage. Of course this will be harder than ever but we need to stop waiting for electoral politics to fix things and take action together.
First it was ontario is open for business, under pierre all of Canada will be “open for business”. They would sell every ounce of Canadian fresh water to just to watch a dozen people get rich.
We are going to need real grassroots political organizing to protect each other and civil disobedience in large numbers to slow the fascists in their persecution and environmental damage. Of course this will be harder than ever but we need to stop waiting for electoral politics to fix things and take action together.
The fact that I am not the only one thinking this is encouraging. The fact that I had to scroll this far to see such a correct comment is very discouraging and worrisome.
Germany will follow suit and we will get a conservative hardliner (and sexist boomer) with CDU’s Merz who once voted to keep rape in a marriage legal. He will pave the way for the real fascists from the AfD, who will feel a lot more emboldened now.
We’re getting it in Canada soon. Or in what’s left of Canada once fascist USA has finished with us. We have the most extreme, reactionary, hateful Conservative leader ever, who openly panders to fascists, and he’s some 20 points ahead of anyone else in the polls. My worst fear was him coming to power with Trump over the border, but that looks like what’s going to happen. I do not understand people.
I’m pretty sure it’s going to feel a lot like the 1940s.
So as someone from Hungary, we’ve been speedrunning this shit, and the way out seems to be that you need to absolutely publicly destroy the current Democratic party, and get something, anything, that promises positive change as an alternative to fascism. I’m not saying necessarily third party, but at least an internal revolution in the DNC with the new people publicly disclaiming the current people and the status quo.
Trust me, you don’t want 15 years of Trump like we had.
Watch as Australia votes in a corrupt copper next year for prime minister. Making the same bullshit promises.
Canada has one lined up too.
Qld just shit the bed with the state election, that was bad enough, federal will be a shitshow :(
I see everyone pointing the finger at the wrong place. We have two corrupt privately run parties. First past the Post literally puts us here. Places like Sweden won’t have this problem because they allow their politics to represent nuance rather than two corporate parties.
I fear we’ve lost the chance to move to something better than FPTP and WTA.
I swear to god if bolsonaro is elected again here I’m gonna blackout drink for the first time in a decade
