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Or even better, a fork of Firefox which disable all that telemetry crap and bundle with uBlock Origin : LibreWolf.
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Wow wow wow, care to explain ? This r huge news for me
The original dev handed over development to a team and left, new cunts removed his name from project and made donation links, original dev came back and made ublock origin which is now the best adblock out there.
I’ve only known ublock as ublock origin had no idea of this fiasco
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but hardened firefox 😏
Shut up, you godless furry
This!
Godless furry bot: when
Is it as simple to use out of the box as Firefox or does it require some tinkering first?
No tinkering required, technically you could achieve the same result with regular Firefox + tinkering.
It’s as simple out of the box but with a greater focus on privacy with telemetry off and the pocket integration disabled.
Can confirm. Started using it yesterday after another comment. It’s pretty much plain FF, so works well right out of the gate. I enabled some features in the setting like Firefox sync and allow DRM media, but I’m really liking it.
I’ve found that it might not work on banking sites because of the fingerprinting protection. Be warned, if you try to use on banking sites, you may be locked out. I suggest you do all banking and stuff on a separate browser that saves cookies and tracks you.
I don’t use banking websites, I just use the app so can’t confirm. I would imagine it’ll be down to the default cookie blocking which you can edit in the settings though if it causes issues for you
My banks app is not as feature full as the website
I don’t have issue on my banking site but I’m not surprised, privacy settings tend to break some sites.
Sounds great! Thanks for the info 🙂
LibreWolf is so clean and minimal, whenever I go back to Firefox it feels bloated in comparison.
The new Mullvad browser is even better, and regularly maintained. But a little bit further down on the privacy end of the Spectrum and further from the useability end. Watch out for timezones, that one always gets me!
Mullvad has a browser now? Sweet! I’ve been a fan of their no nonsense approach to VPN for a while now.
Yeah it’s basically TOR browser without the TOR network. Created in direct collaboration with TOR.
Fr, people need to stop the lies that firefox itself is a privacy respecting browser, which it isnt- not since it was bought out years back.
LibreWolf and Mullvad are great examples of Firefox Forks that are ACTUALLY privacy focused browsers.
Bought out? Firefox was never bought out by anyone. What are you talking about?
My bad, bought out was the wrong way to word it- I should have said “Made partnerships with-” then listed Google and Yahoo(defunct), China and Russia.
If you watch this video discussing how privacy respect firefox is by default- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr8UFJzpNls you’ll see the telemetry they collect is miles long and Firefox is no better at protecting your privacy than Chrome/Chromium is whatsoever.
Definitely recommend Librewolf or Mullvad, which are actual privacy respecting browsers, even Chromium forks like Brave are better than default firefox.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=Fr8UFJzpNls
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Stumbled over that last week. There is a company where I buy nearly all my computer stuff from, and I’m a customer for more than 20 years.
I wanted to order parts for a high-end PC, but simply could not add the motherboard to the shopping cart. Everything else was already in there. I called them, and they asked me if I used Firefox. And they told me in no uncertain terms that Firefox was dead and would no longer be supported for “safety and security reasons”, I should use Chrome or Edge instead.
If their site is too stupid to cope with Firefox, why the heck does it not tell me about this upfront, e.g. when I try to enter an item into the shopping cart?
Firefox rules, people need to smarten up. Hell, Firefox on Android has an Adblock extension. Firefox is what’s up.
It’s also as fast, if not faster, than Chrome now.
Is Firefox for Android getting faster as expected? Last time, it seems very slow. I might switch back from Vivaldi if tests seem very well.
I recently switched to Firefox Nightly on Android and haven’t noticed it being any slower than the previous chromium browser I was using. I did opt to forgo the Dark Reader add-on for it though since that was slowing down webpage rendering a bit.
I recently switched from Opera to Firefox.
I was getting 59 FPS average in Opera, full bore 165 FPS / Hz in Firefox.
I didn’t -want- to switch but it’s objectively faster, especially on Linux.
The issue for me with Firefox on Android is it would sometimes refuse to load pages when switching back after being suspended from the background and I have no clue why. I’d have to open a new tab and copy the URL to force it to load and it was so frustrating.
I use Brave now (with the promotional stuff off, even though I still don’t fully trust them), since it seems to be the only other ad-blocking browser on Android that’s even decently easy to use. However, I still use Firefox on Windows with tree style tabs and raindrop.io to sync bookmarks, both of which are god tier productivity tools.
I get this issue every now and then with Chrome.
There’s a work around for Firefox nightly that allows installation of any add-on too, eg sponsor block.
The fact that it needs a workaround is still bullshit.
No work around is needed. You can install a very limited number of extensions on Firefox mobile and they are the ones you want the most. This includes uBlock Origen.
hey are the ones **you **want the most
You don’t know which extensions I want most. I want:
- uBlock Origin ✅
- Consent-o-Matic ❌ - but the sort of thing they might eventually add to the blessed list with enough begging
- Bypass Paywalls ⛔ - Mozilla will never recommend this or even distribute it on its addons site
3-4 years ago, I could install any extension I wanted. I reject their stated reasons for barring me from doing so (security, stability - those are on me once I start installing unsupported add-ons) and use Kiwi Browser instead.
Wait it does? I need to go look into that.
does android firefox have a desktop mode for tablets / dex?
Privacy is like the least important reason I use Firefox. With Microsoft Edge and Opera being based on Chromium now there are just so many of them. With Chromium essentially becoming the de facto standard because everyone uses it that means Google can ignore web standards and just do whatever they want.
websites not supporting firefox is the site’s fault, not the browser’s. firefox is not some niche browser. almost every website i have used is fine on firefox, and when it rarely doesnt work (usually bc i have a configured librewolf), i just open brave or whatever.
I just use chrome when it doesn’t work since it’s such a rare occurrence. There is no reason for me to use chrome on a daily basis.
Not everyone has this luxury, but I just close the website and never use it. So far, I haven’t run into anything major that doesn’t work with firefox, so this strategy has been working for me so far.
i’d recommend using edge there instead of chrome, because it’s the same browser and google is legitimately less trustworthy than microsoft at this point. neither of these companies are the same that they were in the early 2000s, for better or worse
I occasionally switch to chrome as a troubleshooting step when a website doesnt work, and it rarely is firefox the problem.
Im really confused by this sentiment. Ive been using Firefox since like 2007 and I was just a teenager who didn’t know any better.
Its been working fine for 16 years now.
Personally, I stopped using Firefox when mobile became my main computing device. When I had shitty phones and mobile browsers were newer, Chrome was much more stable for me than FF. I should try to break the habit and go back to FF now that they are both structurally sound, but by now I have years of stuff saved to and remembered by Chrome. It would be a hassle to switch, and somewhat more control of a portion of my data isn’t worth the trouble to me. I’m still gonna use Instagram for professional networking and personal posting, so I’m gonna be in packaged data anyway.
All that stuff you have saved isn’t important. You won’t even miss what you saved.
That’s like not moving into a better home because you don’t want to lose what’s in your junk drawer in the kitchen.
Edit. Three downvotes with no replies? No one cares to explain thier point of view?
I perpetually want to document and keep things but learning that browsing history, tabs, bookmarks, and cookies are disposable trash that I know I truly don’t give a fuck about was enlightening. A clean slate is actually great!
Man, what you said is so true. A few years ago, when I switched from Chrome to Brave (I now use Firefox), one of my worries was losing all the “important” stuff I had saved over the years. As you said, those things weren’t important at all, I don’t even remember what they were.
For those of you who are like that: change now, you won’t regret it and if you really need to save something, just copy/paste those links into a word or any other program.
I didn’t downvote but I’m thinking of some extension configurations as things I don’t think have export/import support
yeah having all your stuff saved in chrome would make it a hassle. sounds like a rainy day project haha
Even better idea. Wait until about 6pm, open maybe 7 beers and drink them over a four hour time frame. At 10pm, start mixing some cocktails (you can do this beforehand and just store them in the fridge), make sure you have plenty, as over the next 2 hours, you’ll need them.
Finally, at 12am, get yourself a nice spirit you enjoy, so maybe a good whisky, a good tequila, a good rum. Anything you like, and start mixing, 50ml alcohol, to about 250ml mixer is what I personally enjoy.
Once you hit 12, just get your things done. Whether it’s moving data over. Or just anything that needs to be done. Unless it involves leaving your house. As that may get messy.
This is what I always do when I know I need to get something done. And it hasn’t let me down yet.
Oh, and don’t forget your favourite music.
Don’t forget to speaker phone your ex at some point! Spice that night up baby
Damn you stuck with it during it’s trash years, too?
It wasn’t even acceptable until pretty recently, and it’s still missing a lot of QoL features that make me keep Vivaldi around (except on my Linux machines, those just run Fox cause Vivaldi isn’t available.)
You have been writing comments on this thread for 5 hours. Have you gone outside today? Make sure to drink some water as well.
What are you talking about? Firefox has always been very much acceptable for me. What qol features are you missing?
Nah, for any functions I’ve missed there has been a Firefox addon so far. My fave QOL addon is Tree Style Tab
Then you want to hide the horizontal tabs bad in the top, with an extra CSS file in the Firefox folder. Instructions
huh, this is one of the features i switched to vivaldi for.
Well I’m pretty new and haven’t found a flatpak, does it depend on distro?
Which distro are you on? Vivaldi has repos for plenty of them: https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/install-update/manual-setup-vivaldi-linux-repositories/
Oh shit they do have one for fedora, thanks!
I’m not ready to de-google, as I use the suite for my business stuff (drive, docs, calendar, mail etc), maybe one day though.
How does it integrate? Can I still keep the convenience I get from Chrome for the rest of the Google tools or is it pointless to switch if I don’t switch everything else as well?
Depending on which distro you’re on, Vivaldi is most certainly on Linux. I use mostly debian stuff and it works great on there.
If it really has to be a Chromium browser, Vivaldi will do the trick.
And if you REALLY take security seriously, LibreWolf is based on Firefox but without the annoying stuff from Mozilla attached to it.
Wait, people hate Firefox? Why??
Chrome defaultism, and so websites are usually made for Chrome, often disregarding testing on Firefox completely, and so they work a bit worse here and there
Also no Google connectivity
I dragged my feet for a long time before switching from chrome to firefox a year or two ago for that exact reason. When I actually did switch it was practically seamless, I haven’t run in to any website that has been problematic on firefox but not on chrome. The only thing i dislike is that i haven’t found a way to have a custom newtab-page but still be able to directly input text to the navbar, so i always have to do ctrl+t -> ctrl-a.
By custom new tab what are you looking for? You can make the new tab display your home page, I think a blank page, and with extensions you can make it do almost anything with a new tab.
I’ve configured it so that when i open a new tab it will by default open the url to my calendar. It does not select the url in the navigation bar, so if i want to input my own url i first need to select the calendar-url so that my inputs deletes the existing text. I do think that the custom url new-tab is an extension though so that doesn’t really help my case (not at the computer so can’t check).
Huh, I haven’t really noticed any differences since making the switch. What do you mean by google connectivity?
Chrome browser will let you log in with your Google account which means things like passwords that are saved to your Google account will auto fill
Firefox Sync exists though, and it does the same.
Yup but that doesn’t really help people who already have their passwords saved on Google on their browser and phones
You have been able to import and export data between browsers for years. This is not an unknown or difficult to access feature.
I’m a Firefox user and pretty tech savvy and I really didn’t know it was possible to port my passwords from Google password manager into Firefox. In any case I use LastPass as my password manager, but the point is this isn’t common knowledge for the average person and sounds just like an extra step/hassle. Just trying to be devil’s advocate and answer the “why don’t people just switch” question.
Speaking of Firefox sync, Firefox has this bug when you’re importing your passwords from other browsers, it doesn’t sync to your account. Only your manually inputted logins will be synced.
Ohhhh, I didn’t even consider that being a deal breaker for some people, but I’m pretty sure Mozilla will let you transfer all your saved passwords from chrome.
Yes of course it will. I don’t know what rock these people are living under where they think they can’t export/import data between browsers. It’s a basic feature in every major browser.
What sites have issues with Firefox? I’ve been using firefox exclusively since 06 besides trying chrome for 2009-2010 and never had any issues. Not saying they don’t exist but it seems like a very small amount that won’t function at all.
People always bring this up like it’s a major issue to avoid Firefox and it’s just not even remotely true. I’m a long-term Firefox user like you and I can count on one hand the number of sites I’ve had problems with over the many years I’ve been browsing. For those very rare cases, I just use Brave to access the site. Problem solved. This idea that if the alternative isn’t 100% perfect, it is therefore completely unusable and the only realistic option is returning to big tech surveillance just needs to die already.
Anything containing WebGL and anything containing complex CSS/JS animations comes to mind, also Canvas (even though it rarely used, still lags like a motherfucker), Firefox really suffers in that regard, but they recently promised that they will fix it; and I remind you that because of hardware decoder legal ussues Firefox sucked very hard at 4K and 120 Hz YouTube on Linux for a long time too
There are others, commonly created because Firefox focuses on privacy, and so, for example, all internal website timers can only count by 0.1 seconds because anything less will open you to tracking vunerabilities, often settings sacrifice performance for data safety like this
Also no Google connectivity
I wish people would see this as a feature, not a drawback.
A lot of websites will block your access if they detect firefox too
I don’t hate it, I really want to like it. It’s just that I have a rather niche issue that really bugs me and forces me to chromium (or derivatives).
FIDO2 / YubiKey support on Chromium is far superior compared to FF.
Ah gotcha. I don’t use a lot of 2FA outside of duo.
Hey, you should. Great way to secure your accounts.
I use bitwarden for most of my password creation and storage. I think they have 2FA so I may look into it.
I’m pretty iffy on 2FA. I’m using it for several things but I don’t like that my one and only option for that is this one smartphone. If I drop the phone in a lake, I can’t do Google anything anymore, or do some other crucial things. If I decide to step down to a dumb phone, no, I can’t. I’m just locked into this permanently, now. Half the internet is off limits if I lose, break, or decide to get rid of my phone.,
I’ve gone from having two options for net access - phone and PC - so a primary and a backup, to having one option, both of them at once, and one is none.
It’s a single point of failure that’s already vulnerable to SIM swap attacks and even shoulder surfing. You’re highly reliant on the target org you’re logging into, and whether their setup process is janky.
2FA makes sense in broad theory, it doesn’t make sense in practice, where no options except for your one and only smartphone exist for 2FA. They’ve not developed some other method and don’t appear to be trying. It’s just that or fuckin nothing.
It should be smartphone plus other thing as 2FA options, so the phone can be lost, stolen, destroyed, without leaving you up shit creek, and yet that other thing refuses to show itself.
and yet that other thing refuses to show itself
You can buy a dedicated 2fa device. You can set your Google account to use the hardware key instead of sms verification. I don’t use sms 2fa on any of my accounts. Hardware security keys are inexpensive and work when you lose the phone. Yubikey offers numerous products that do what you want. You can also have 2FA keys on your smartwatch.
I’ll have to look into that, thanks.
Yeah, that’s always been my hesitant, and I don’t really have the physical assets, financial assets, or intellectual property that would really demand the need for 2FA on all of my accounts.
You mentioned chromium and not chrome, so I’m assuming it works well in Brave?
Yes, which is what I use. I don’t really like the company and people behind it, and they’ve did some shady stuff but the other chromium browsers aren’t really any better.
Because it is bad, bloated, bookmarks are horrible, end users have constant problems that aren’t even their fault. I literally am using Opera now to avoid Chromium because FF has gotten so bad
Opera is rebranded Chromium
“Firefox is bad because I got a virus one time and Firefox was my default browser therefore Firefox gave my computer a virus”- my brother
He’s the virus because he bought the computer
Chromium could be spying on you, as it communicates with google servers. You should use ungoogled-chromium, and hope they did a good job…
spoiler
or just use Firefox
Using ungoogled-chromium still contributes to Google’s browser engine monoculture.
That’s kind of awesome actually. I’ve been looking to replace brave for a while now while retaining the chromium feel.
Librewolf*
God, I wish there was less monopolies in the world, I hate when there is no alternative other than a product developed and maintained by evil corporation that profits off of selling my data.
Anyway, the only browser that everyone should use is Chrome, if you don’t use Chrome you’re dead to me.What is the aversion to FF? It is memory hungry, but not that much different than Chrome.
Perhaps I’m missing something but I’ve been a Firefox user for years- at work and home. I have yet to find a website that misbehaves or under-performs. Mayyybe a few sites here and there a fractions of a second slower or have slightly less acceleration or something that I’m just not noticing?
Without Firefox and its ??forks?? like LibreWolf, the internet would be a total Chromium monopoly at this point, wouldn’t it? That would be bad…
I’ve been daily driving Firefox since 3 years ago, the only time it doesn’t load a site properly is when I lost internet connection mid-loading. Some people keep saying some sites don’t work with FF and yet none of them was able to give a single example.
The Oklahoma Natural Gas website sometimes won’t let me pay my bill if I’m using Firefox.
I actually had to install ungoogled-chromium to change my email on PayPal. No other browser would work, it was weird. That’s the only instance I can remember where I’ve had to try Chrome. Otherwise I FireFox has worked fine. Wonder what happened there.
I’ve used ha no issues with paypal on Firefox, odd
Some websites do poorly on it. However it’s rare and easy enough to just open it in a different browser. I’ve used Firefox for over 15 years and it’s not a serious issue. Usually bad government websites or shitty corporate webapps.
I’m a die-hard Firefox user (in part because I’m a web developer and prefer the dev tools). But I have seen a couple of sites that only work with Chromium-based browsers. Both are owned by Microsoft, though, so I assume they’re breaking things on purpose to push Edge or something. There’s no significant features Firefox is missing. (Safari is the problem child for web developers now. They tend to be last to support new CSS/JS features.)
I’ve had some “Apply to Job” buttons on job sites not display in Firefox but show up fine in Chrome/Safari.
Cox cable had a button that wasn’t visible on ff, had to use edge.
Pre-2020 Edge or Chromium-based Edge?
Chromium edge is my goto when Firefox won’t work, I’ve seen the 4 mb of data ms has of mine, and it isn’t comparable to the 6+ gb Google has.
Maybe it’s because I use sidebery but Firefox is very Laggy for me in comparison to chrome, I use it Firefox because I don’t like google’s practices, and I like my sidebar, but I do miss the speed of chrome when you have several tabs open
However, my problems may also be due to windows, I’ve been having issues with my pc and I Def need an OS wipe
I’ve used Firefox as my main browser for a year or two now, and it definitely wastes the most battery life and uses the most RAM on my laptop. I’ve had some websites (job sites) not display “Apply to Job” buttons properly. My Yubikey wasn’t supported on many websites with Firefox (only Chrome/Safari) until recently. Chrome feels stagnate, though - I love Firefox’s auto-pause, PiP, bookmarks tagging and keyword searches.
Same here, only I use a few different browsers between work and home. I’ve never once had to skip over to a different browser because Firefox couldn’t do it. Only thing that ever stops a website from working for me is uBlock Origin, and that just means it’s usually doing its job.
Pretty sure Safari runs on Gecko as well, but still, “Chromium monopoly” is such a ridiculous idea.
It’s like saying cars have a “V shaped engine monopoly” or clothes have a “YKK zipper monopoly.” Does it exist? Yeah. Does it affect the actual lineup of available products and their differences? Not really.
Gecko? Do you mean Blink?
Gecko is the name of Firefox’s renderer. Blink is the name of chrome’s. WebKit is the name of Safari’s.
It would not be correct to say that Safari uses Chrome’s renderer, but since Chrome started as a fork of WebKit, they should have some similarities.
But there is no genetic relationship whatsoever between Gecko and Safari.
I use firefox for obvious privacy reasons but also because I can customize the UI. Chromium’s interface is oversized, ugly, and locked down while on firefox I can change any aspect of it using my own CSS.
Also addons against ads which Google obviously wouldn’t allow on their crap browser.
I initially read your comment as “I use firefox for obvious piracy reasons” and thought “yeah, that’s fair”.
How are you doing this? Firefox’s stock UI is even more oversize than Chrome’s and they are actively removing customization options to the UI.
