As an outsider looking at America, the vid makes sense. I saw some comments on the net say that RW Trump was the first US president to go to Nk and meet Kim rather than some LW one. I don’t know whether the meetings were useful tho
US politics has no left. It only exists as very small groups that, when they start having influence, get shut down by the feds. That video is super slow so I only watched 15 minutes but I would guess they are referring to a rejection of liberalism emerging from degrading material conditions being the main force of peeling off a left and right, and thus there us a similarity. Is that about right?
Yep. It says that the mainstream left n right in the US is pro-ruling class, with only minor differences and they get entangled around only entry-level topics without going after the materials reasons for issues n solving them.
I think they mean the democrats, with the term to mean the US mainstream ‘left’. The video criticises both the Left and Right under that definition.
Oh I see. I think I guessed wrong then. So they mean the mainstream left and right are both liberals, they are of the ideology of capitalism and therefore very similar, primarily defining themselves through shibboleths that are not really about commitments to policy or political action.
Ironic that you’re using the comic about using bad faith debates in order to shut down this thread complaining about bad faith debates on ML.
Ever heard of horseshoe theory?
Horseshoe theory is debunked nonsense, using it like a trump card in an argument is hilarious.
Read Blackshirts and Reds, by the way.
I recently saw a video on it, saying that it’s true, but in tge context of US politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWy8EEqXbBg
As an outsider looking at America, the vid makes sense. I saw some comments on the net say that RW Trump was the first US president to go to Nk and meet Kim rather than some LW one. I don’t know whether the meetings were useful tho
US politics has no left. It only exists as very small groups that, when they start having influence, get shut down by the feds. That video is super slow so I only watched 15 minutes but I would guess they are referring to a rejection of liberalism emerging from degrading material conditions being the main force of peeling off a left and right, and thus there us a similarity. Is that about right?
Yep. It says that the mainstream left n right in the US is pro-ruling class, with only minor differences and they get entangled around only entry-level topics without going after the materials reasons for issues n solving them.
I think they mean the democrats, with the term to mean the US mainstream ‘left’. The video criticises both the Left and Right under that definition.
Oh I see. I think I guessed wrong then. So they mean the mainstream left and right are both liberals, they are of the ideology of capitalism and therefore very similar, primarily defining themselves through shibboleths that are not really about commitments to policy or political action.
Yep.
I think that would be the summary
That repeatedly disproven line of horseshit? Yeah I’ve heard of it. Wasn’t impressed.
It’s never occurred to the “very reasonable centrist” neoliberal free market extremist warmongers that THEY are the insane radicals
Yep.
Have you heard of the fish hook theory?