The Michigan Court of Appeals threw out a manslaughter charge against a Detroit gas station clerk who locked the door before an angry customer shot three bystanders, killing one.

Prosecutors have argued that clerk Al-Hassan Aiyash’s actions make him criminally responsible. But the appeals court said an involuntary manslaughter charge doesn’t fit.

It was “not reasonably foreseeable” that the customer, Samuel McCray, would pull out a gun and start shooting, the court said Wednesday.

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    You are making several claims here that I’m not sure are accurate.

    What trend? Do you have any sources I could review to support that there is a trend and that your scenario is not an exception?

    Do you have any sources I can review to support that most armed assailants will not resort to violence when confronted by or prevented from fleeing by a lone civilian?

    Do you have any sources I can review to support that driving is more dangerous than confronting an armed assailant?

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      Who cares? At the end of the day, someone didn’t want to get hurt and they almost got a prison sentence because of it.

      Are we incapable of recognizing that at least?

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        I would argue that by locking the door, trapping the aggressor in the same room with the cashier and other customers, the intent of the cashier was to avoid theft and not to avoid getting hurt.

        To go back to my original point, I personally do not think that he exercised good judgement in evaluating the risk vs reward of his actions.

        He placed the value of his employers property above the value of his safety, the safety of the other customers and the safety of the rest of his employers property should the aggressor resort to acts of violence or vandalism in an attempt to secure his freedom.

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          I agree that trapping a potentially violent person in, basically cornering them and escalating the situation, was a bad decision. I also agree with the court that it doesn’t fall into that category. It looks like lesser charges will still be pursued, probably more in line with negligence. It’s good that in response it’s now illegal to lock doors like that while customers are inside. I would have thought the general rule of keeping doors unlocked during business hours (as a fire code mostly) would have covered that already.

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      a source that records this type of information requires a people to provide legal proof that they’re breaking the law as well as providing evidence that opens them up legal & financial liability; but i’m sure you knew that and asked for a source anyways knowing that it’s impossible in order to shut down a counter argument and help support your point.

      the closest thing you can get to it are surveys done by pollsters and that’s private information and is only shared to subscribers who are sometimes also journalists who write articles that sometimes shared it on reddit; where i learned of it from; and i wouldn’t be surprised if you knew that too.

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        a source that records this type of information requires a people to provide legal proof that they’re breaking the law as well as providing evidence that opens them up legal & financial liability; but i’m sure you knew that

        I am not aware of that. Nor of any such organization existing. Could you name what these resources are? I would be interested in learning more.

        the closest thing you can get to it are surveys done by pollsters and that’s private information and is only shared to subscribers who are sometimes also journalists who write articles that sometimes shared it on reddit

        Are you aware of any articles written by these journalists? Can you share a link to the reddit post where you learned this from?

        in order to shut down a counter argument and help support your point.

        I’m not trying to shut anything down. This is not a “I’m right your wrong” discussion. You have your experiences which you have used to form your valid opinion. I have my experiences that I have used to form mine.

        As for my “point”, it was a request that people “please try to keep perspective of what is true risk / reward for pursuing vs walking away”. Is that what you are arguing against?