Dewine says he can’t remove the dude here: https://www.wkyc.com/video/news/local/3news-at-6/gov-mike-dewine-calls-portage-county-sheriffs-comments-about-harris-supporters-very-unfortunate/95-4f3b90dd-1cf8-4243-a148-c90ed821c38a
but the Ohio revised code seems to suggest he can? https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3.08
Sounds illegal.
It’s not illegal when the police do it.
True but they do have addresses don’t they?
How so?
I’ve been saying the fascists do this already. Add the fascists to https://magatmap.com to protect yourself and your community.
EDIT - For the apologists in this thread: https://ideatrash.net/2018/06/if-theres-one-nazi-or-a-racist-at-the-table.html
Interesting people still don’t understand the paradox of tolerance or fascism and anti-fascism. They are this close to loosing their democracy but think there won’t be any political violence from the fascists.
I’d bring up the various nonaggression pacts made with fascists in the past, but so far I think it would fall on deaf ears. Tolerance leads to fascist control.
Disgusting. Please don’t participate in this.
“being safe is disgusting!” ok bootlicker.
You’re making a targeted list of private citizens based on their political ideologies. You’re doing the boots job for them.
Not only that but doing exactly what the fucking article is calling out at heinous
there is absolutely nothing to gain in war by taking the high road
What fucking war?
The culture war, you know, the one where a lot of folks think it’s great we have things like birth control and public transportation and stuff.
And then a few other folks that think -basically, boiled down the real truth of it- that everyone that isn’t a white male should be a slave to white males.
Obviously the best way to fight this is education, which a particular side has been hellbent on destroying, and considering what I was taught in public school, has been pretty effective about it.
Does it get to their wet dream of wantonly murdering folks in the street like they fantasize about? Well, we lost more people on our side in the 2020 protests than they did.
Probably something to with believing people are humans, and should be treated with dignity.
So get some goddamn guns and go to the range. I’d rather have it and not need it, and know how to fucking use it
Once again, I understand the best way to win is education. My short patience and compassion is entirely spent on people near me, so if you can go around teaching ignorant morons right from wrong please do. They already know. Their in-group lets them get away with it
hi. welcome to western civilization. you see, there’s been this struggle going on for some time now between altruism and narcissism, aka conservatism and liberalism, aka leftist vs. right wing, and in the last few decades it’s gotten pretty heated (it’s done this before) and so yeah… the future of civilization is kinda hanging in the balance so maybe it’s time for you to realize that:
IT’S A WAR. PICK A FUCKING SIDE.
Well when fascism starts being oppressed instead of being the oppressor, I’ll worry about your opinion.
This is not a left-right, one group vs another group, fascism against democracy argument. This is a well documented moral and philosophical conclusion that you don’t give tools like these to a governing body or organization. The targets and terminology always get corrupted by bad-faith actors over time. You would not have control over how this information gets used nor the validity if someone just “placed” a sign for the photo so they would be targeted.
You are self-reporting to a system that has the ability to become oppressive, use your time more wisely if you wish to promote a good cause. https://go.kamalaharris.com/ has remote volunteering with phone banking etc and has training you can take and local events if that’s your shtick.
You realize this information is all freely and publicly available? A tool to be safe from fascists being abused by bad actors is still a tool to be safe from fascists. I’m not responsible for the actions of bad actors because I supported a tool. If I am, then based on your recommendation of helping VP Harris’s campaign, doesn’t that make you responsible for the genocide she is actively supporting? Also, please do not assume that I am anti-Democrat or pro anything. I am anti-fascist. Do not assume I’m not calling/donating/volunteering. This is just one facet of trying to help.
Why can’t fascists use this tool to network with each other?
Also, it would be more effective to have a map of rapists and dangerous men imo. I could and would contribute significantly to that type of list. A lot of wealthy men who are rapists are also white supremacists. I don’t think I’ve ever been sexually assaulted by someone who WASN’T revealed to be racist.
The link was one example of something you can link as actually helpful and not detrimental to the democratic process. Making lists of political opponents (and especially citizens) is a fascists move, you’re using the tools of the master to try and take down the house. If you support a tool being abused by bad actors, you need to look into that tool. Just because you’re ignorant of the situation doesn’t mean you aren’t complicit.
What good does it do to highlight random citizens? Of it was businesses and politicians. But this does not help. Is there any confirmation that these people are trumpers.
Nope. Just pictures of people’s homes and addresses and whatever anyone wants to put on the description. Take a picture of your neighbor that took your parking spot and say they shoot at people and see what happens! Fun for the whole family!
What an awful, ugly idea.
The pictures are required to show something connecting them. Fascist flags, signs, dogwhistles.
Still just random people. Not cops or government officials or something.
Sounds like it’s as random as the list this sherrif’s putting together, don’t it?
And you want to be like them? Focus on cops and ceos and government officials otherwise it’s pointless
you don’t get it. it takes people to elect the officials. the people are the base of support. they need to be blacklisted. it’s time to clean up our own back yard. this is the only way to stop fascism, corporate overreach and eco dystopia.
How do you propose to “clean up” these people? I’m getting chills reading your comment.
it’s okay. cowards need not apply.
Great way to beat fascism, just become fascist yourself!
Because only cowards would apply. Idiotic approach to the problem
Are these people verified in any way?
To what end? Violence? Are you going to be okay with hurting their children too?
Well the way things are currently, is that certain people get murdered and shit on for super arbitrary reasons, so uhh.
Yeah. Fuck em
Children?
i’m okay with any solution that provides a sustainable future in which we protect the quality of life for all living things. there is no perfect path towards that future, but without one, we will destroy no only ourselves but so many innocent creatures.
we are currently in a failed state of humanity. we need a reset.
You first.
I would not doubt that like around where I live, they fly huge ass “Trump 2024” flags on their property making it obvious who they support.
I agree it doesn’t help, though.
Fascists hide when they feel threatened. Don’t give them the chance
Counterargument to your trash idea link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis
Por que no los dos? Mr. Davis does fine work. People can change, but until then others should be concerned for their safety around them.
You can tell a lot about that site, since Texas and New Hampshire are empty.
You mean that it’s just getting started and grassroots? You got it! Still very new and spreading the word.
Beep boop
this comment section is a dumpster fire, I thought one of the points with lemmy was to have civilized discussion instead of tribalistic “me good, them bad” arguments? i myself am a hair right of center, but respect democrats for believing what they belive can’t we agree what this asswipe of a sheriff, and magatmap are doing is fucking wrong? god we need to throw this entire political system out
If you’re still voting for the republicans you’re supporting fascism. And that is not civilized. Because fascism means that fascist violence will become inevitable.
If you get on the internet and go find a comment section that has a couple hundred comments, you can always say that it’s a dumpster fire. Some people are lazy, some people are trolling, some people are addressing concerns that you don’t understand because they didn’t frame it with enough background.
I think you have several options in a situation where it seems like the comments are a disaster. You could download and walk away, you could comment about how it’s a dumpster fire and walk away, or you could throw in something a little bit constructive. I recommend the first or the third, unless you feel like you’re in a trolling mood, and then do whatever you want.
If I lived near him, I would post a list of Trump sign addresses and include his. He probably still would lack the cognitive ability to understand that his suggestion was wrong, but I bet he would want to do something about me.
I’ve got a personal list of businesses with Trump signs in my area. They won’t ever get a dime of my money.
Same with garage sales, and Facebook marketplace transactions. If they have have a Trump sign, they aren’t getting my money.
I’ve seen an uptick of maga flags and even appeal to heaven flag. I wish there was an easy way to send these addresses somewhere to automatically sign them up for klan and legit Nazi paraphernalia and mailing lists…which sadly they’re probably already on
Yeah bro that would just encourage them. Sign them up for dem and humanitarian aid things. Donate to african water purification in their name.
A church near me has an Appeal to Heaven flag. It creeps me out.
Can ya explain the appeal to heaven shit to me? Like I can tell its fascist tripe similar to the christian flag but I aint got context. Also the christian flag looks like a certain version of the Confederate flag, I want to invoke apon them Shermans wroth.
I associate it with trying to bring Christ into politics. For example, see this group’s mission statement.. I’ve not dug into it much more than that, just enough to know it’s currently a right-wing whistle and I ought to avoid anyone currently enamored with it. My local church only started displaying it after Justice Alito’s wife caused a stir by flying it.
So its just another version of the christian flag shit, makes it easier to classify I guess.
I’ve done the same with businesses that stayed open during Covid lockdowns, especially restaurants. If they don’t care about a global pandemic, they’re probably not handling food properly, following proper cleaning protocols, etc.
Yeah, there are two places we used to eat that really put us off by their handling of the pandemic. Haven’t been back since.
There is a pizza place near me that we used to order from fairly often. I was driving past and thought that I’d just stop in and grab one in person once. I would have had to yell to the cashier to order as Fox Entertainment (clearly not news) was blaring SO loudly. Noped right out and won’t go back. Have a few friends who stopped as well.
Add fascists to the map! https://magatmap.com
Well, this seems extremely illegal.
What happens if you send Portage County Sheriff Bruce Zuchowski a picture of his house with a Kamala sign on it?
Police investigation of the highest order.
This is why it’s important to have cameras on your house nowadays.
So they can shut the cameras off like the sheriff did to afroman?
Its no guarantee of safety, not that you suggested as much.
The sheriff cannot shut off my security cameras.
Your security cameras are not bulletproof, they will shut them off
That would imply they can aim…
The police aren’t gonna shoot cameras. Also, there are several. Inside, outside, good luck getting away with anything in my house.
Have you ever been in an interaction like that with the police?
Because I’ve found that a lot of the time, people are somewhat more confident before they see just how disgustingly and openly corrupt these assholes can be.
Yes, my camera set up is very similar to that.
“Good luck getting away with anything in my house” still implies that you think that as long as you’ve recorded a police doing something illegal, he’ll face consequences for that.
That is extremely naive.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/afroman-pushes-back-cop-lawsuit-recent-music-video/story?id=101520072
The cops actually sued Afroman, after breaking his shit and having it videod that they broke shit and stole from him.
I don’t think you understand just how perverted “justice” usually is. Especially when you’re trying to get consequences for law enforcement for having broken the laws themselves.
or duct-tape proof like the Secret Service did to that business owner in Mass. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/secret-service-kamala-harris-election-2024-b2595162.html
Time to elect a new Sheriff
My God that headline is terrible. That’s the most sane shit he said.
“When people ask me…What’s gonna happen if the Flip — Flopping, Laughing Hyena Wins?? I say…write down all the addresses of the people who had her signs in their yards! Sooo…when the Illegal human ‘Locust’ (which she supports!) Need places to live…We’ll already have the addresses of the their New families…who supported their arrival!” the post said.
He shouldn’t have access to sharp objects, nonetheless a firearm, or be fucking Sheriff. He’s a danger to his community.
The “locust” bit is getting far too little attention. The history of comparing undesirable populations with vermin is long and filled with horrific violence.
He shouldn’t have access to sharp objects, nonetheless a firearm, or be fucking Sheriff. He’s a danger to his community.
So, par for the course with US law enforcement.
“locust” is for those times when nazi rhetoric doesn’t feel biblical enough.
These guys are always painfully blind to the defense budgets they support.
Voter suppression. Someone contact the FBI about him. I already notified them about the lunatic lady who threatened trans people.
They’ll literally track anyone but gun owners.
Yeah, let’s keep a list of who’s not armed so they can cross reference that with their sign list before they go on the offensive. Great idea.
The feds have a list of gun owners, it’s just not pulled from gun sales or anything like that. It comes from data, bought up from internet data brokers, deanonymized and put into your FBI file. Like if you’re liking and sharing a bunch of ammosexuals and tacticool content, or whatever you’re doing publicly online, the feds know.
If you’re liking and sharing you could just think the stuff is cool. I don’t think you’d be flagged for that. There are however specific products that when purchased, that info is related to feds. If you recall, Amazon, eBay, PayPal send a list of everyone who has purchased a 3d printer to the FBI every two months. https://www.ammoland.com/2024/05/dhs-admits-to-monitoring-3d-printer-purchases-with-the-help-of-amazon-ebay-and-paypal/
Dude might have just fucked himself.
He’s racked up complaints all the way up to the DoJ, and this story is gaining national traction.
Our AG Milquetoast might have to take action on this. It’s voter intimidation.
lol. Our AG has no respect for his role in America. He has extremely important responsibilities to act but only seems interested in watching MAGAts (at least the elected ones) get away scott free.
Thank God for Jack Smith.
gaining national traction.
I’m over here on the other side of the world, reading this in a different country.
Wouldn’t that make that… international?
Im trans and I have multiple trump people in my neighborhood. My partner and I have agreed us putting up either pride flags or Harris signs would simply make ourselves targets since we live in a red state and county. I don’t want people like this to put me on a list so they can come and attack the house if their fascist leader comes into power. Something that while they would want to do, I’m not positive they’d actually have the guts to do.
Regardless, this shit terrifies me.
I hope you don’t feel any shame in this. It’s absolutely disgusting that you live with this sort of fear, and I hope you have a community that you can rely on.
Also, I saw that someone suggested learning to handle firearms, which I agree with, but if home defense is what you’re going for, a good ole fashioned Louisville Slugger will also often do the truck
Are you armed? You don’t have to reveal political affiliation to go to a gun range and learn how to shoot and basic gun safety.
I definitely need to learn how to shoot, I did when I was a kid but haven’t gone shooting in a long time. Unfortunately, I don’t feel safe to actually get armed just because of my own mental health. I do have friends who are armed, though, and they’re willing to come help if need be.
May I suggest you take up learning a martial art?
Not sure what they’re like in your area, but when I learned Karate as a kid in the 90s/00s, everyone was treated according to their skill level and discipline, gender/sex is irrelevant (beyond cups for guys and thick sports bras for gals).
Its not likely to make you bullet proof, but it does stand a decent chance at bettering your physical and mental health, give you more options when a gun is not part of the scenario.
Also, I would second the notion of going to a range and signing up for basic pistol and rifle familiarization, as well as basic medical training, unless you legitimately are totally terrified of firearms or have some kind of trauma or PTSD related to them.
Such courses usually provide you with firearms for the course, you don’t own them or take them home, they stay at the range. You just learn the basic principles of operation and safety and shooting technique, under hopefully an extremely serious couple of range masters who will hopefully teach you to treat all guns as if they are loaded until you have personally verified they are not, and to never, not even accidentally, point the barrel of a gun at something you do not intend to destroy.
You don’t need to go buy a gun first and not trust yourself with it.
In fact usually a novice shooter is going to want to experiment a bit with different calibers and guns with differing grip styles and weight distributions untill you find something comfortable to shoot.
Martial arts and guns can give people a false sense of security. Who wants to devote a huge portion of their life to preparing for personalize warfare? LARPers live for that crap. On the other hand, it is wise to have a method of self defense as a normal life plan.
The absolute best defense is avoidance whether getting away or even moving your place of residence. There are many places where people aren’t bat-shit crazy.
Forget martial arts if someone has deadly intentions. Get a short shot gun and learn safety and security first. Then learn your firearm very intimately, both how it works and how to use it so well that muscle memory is instinctive. Then, learn how to set a trap where you have the advantage even if you aren’t super proficient. Most of all watch this short video.
Im not trans but I often think about my leftist views being on the Internet, in the surveillance age, we really really cannot let these motherfuckers into more power. Shit will hit the fan quickly.
I’m a paranoid sort. If I paraded a quarter of the signs, flags, offensive bumper stickers, et. al., of some of my neighbors in my red state, I would just expect that my property would be vandalized, my family threatened, my life endangered. I’m intentionally avoiding showing up on any “lists” that might be composed regarding people from different tribes. It’s not right that this is a problem, but it is reality.
Two of our (gay couple) neighbors said something similar to me a while back: They’re too afraid to put up a sign or flag.
My house doesn’t have any LGBTQ people living in it but we have a HUGE fucking LGBTQ flag right across from the American flag. It’s been such a blessing too! Now the most annoying of my neighbors don’t try to smalltalk with me anymore about their absolutely batshit insane conspiracy theories 👍
