- I’m as surprised as anybody, but the non loaded-to-elicit-a-particular-answer framing of the question showed basically no change after the debate. Polls from the day after the election which asked, who do you want to vote for for president, showed basically no change in the answer (respectively, 45/43 for Trump, and 45/44 for Biden). I will continue to be surprised if that keeps happening but definitely that’s how it actually objectively happened, so far.
- It is highly notable to me how unanimous in the media is the narrative “Biden’s in trouble because he fucked up the debate” - which, however much of a very real problem it is that he’s old as fuck, isn’t borne out by polling data - whereas they didn’t write too much about “Trump’s in trouble because he caught a bunch of felonies”, even though that was reflected in a few percentage points’ drop in his polling (remember? that was when Biden started ticking higher than Trump in national polls every now and then, which he’s still doing, which he hadn’t been able to do before?). As a good example check out this lapdog bullshit
It seems very clear to me that the media is, as they often do, pretending that they are reporting on trouble for the Democratic candidate, when actually what they are doing is finding a way to frame a legitimate story to do their best to create the trouble that are pretending they are reporting on.
Biden steps down and makes a powerful endorsement.
Delegates are open to choose a candidate.
DNC sets up a ranked voting process.
Top two have a run off
Superdelegates support the winner satisfying the nomination threshold.
A energized united party beats Trump and wins down ballot races.
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opportunistic Democrats gaslight voters into thinking Biden is fine, “just lost his fastball”
Trump wins a legislative mandate
Democrats blame young voters and Progressives
That part, I won’t say you are wrong about. The American electorate is wrong enough in how they set their priorities that I think Biden’s performance at the debate was a massive problem.
What I am saying here is that it’s weird that the stories are “why Trump’s felonies are not important” and “why Biden’s elderly nature is hugely important,” when the data points the exact opposite way. Honestly, I think maybe people’s understanding of what is important in politics may be quite a few ticks ahead of the media is giving them credit for when they publish stories like this.
People do what media tells them to, it’s a psyop
If only people kept warning us about this for 6 years. How could we posibly have known?
I don’t think he should be president now.
I have yet to meet IRL a single left-wing politically engaged person who says anything other than that Trump will be such an objectively guaranteed catastrophe for everyone in the world that we should vote for whoever’s running against him, whether that person is Biden or Kamala Harris or a blind dog dressed up in a business suit. All the people who say Biden’s old and so they can’t vote for him are fairly un-politically-aware types who aren’t especially left wing in their personal beliefs.
And yet the internet is full of these super left wing people who feel real aggressive about not voting for Biden, like even more aggressively about that, apparently, than they do about any particular left wing cause, about immigration or going to the Palestine protest or what have you.
It is curious
It’s accelerationist. You and I can openly talk about America’s failures and discuss the disasters objectively. The fascists at the levers of power that run roughshod over the United States government for the last century. Precisely because we actually want to improve things and to help people.
Accelerationist don’t. Or at least they think they do in a warped and twisted way where the only way to do it. Is to destroy the west, to destroy its governments, to injure the people. And then only once everything has collapsed can they build them back up into a system. Which objectively has been shown to be no better than the system they currently have. But in their eyes would magically somehow be better.
It’s manic, cultish Behavior. As an actual leftist in a red State I definitely don’t see that type around here. But I’m sure in more liberal areas they exist. Really though more than anything it’s just a demonstration that even those of us on the left are acutely vulnerable to propaganda and radicalization as well as being indoctrinated into cults.
I feel pretty aggressive about Biden aiding and abetting genocide, supplying Israel with enough bombs to turn Gaza into a death camp. I feel pretty aggressive about Biden just coming out against gender affirmation surgery for minors for no fucking reason. I’m also still feeling pretty fucking aggressive that he broke the railroad strike, but that was years ago so you probably forgot about it.
Biden being medically unfit for the office has basically nothing to do with me not wanting him to be president.
But at least it’s something I can shove in your fucking face so maybe you’ll pressure the Democratic Party to replace their nominee. Whatever is the straw that breaks the camel’s back is good enough for me. We haven’t had a Convention yet! There’s still time to replace him! If you don’t, he is absolutely going to lose and it won’t be anyone’s fault but Biden and his blue MAGA cult.
Monkey paw curls and they replace him with Mitt Romney or something. Finally someone the entire nation’s donors can rally behind
It wouldn’t even have to be something that radical. The fact is the problems with Israel and Palestine have more to do with Congress than they do with biden. If they decided to not run Biden they would most likely choose a congressman in a safe seat. Likely from a blue state. With large Jewish population and AIPAC funding. And now we’re right back where we started. Well right back where we started at best. The candidate could be even more pro-israel than Biden is. And the party will end up weaker, with actual decent Democrats struggling even harder to accomplish something. As the unified fascist front votes for whoever they are given as candidate.
If Biden’s age were actually an issue. They would be hitting Trump almost exactly as hard on his age. They are not. If Biden’s stance on Palestine were the problem they would be hitting Trump harder on Palestine they are not. The truth is while presidents or individuals. They are ultimately the sum of their administration.
While Biden was one of my least favorite Democrats in 2020. He’s far outpaced my expectations for him. And the fact that a number in his administration have resigned in protest. Gives me hope and confidence enough to go forward. Because I know there are others still there who feel the same.
I feel pretty aggressive about Biden aiding and abetting genocide, supplying Israel with enough bombs to turn Gaza into a death camp.
Agreed
I feel pretty aggressive about Biden just coming out against gender affirmation surgery for minors for no fucking reason.
Sure
I’m also still feeling pretty fucking aggressive that he broke the railroad strike, but that was years ago so you probably forgot about it.
He strengthened the NLRB for the first time since any president that I can remember to the point where it’s backstopping all this historic union progress at Starbucks, UAW, Amazon, all this shit that union people are fighting for finally has some legal backing behind it which is a pretty key force multiplier which in my book is a win.
He did break the rail strike, because it would have fucked up the economy for everyone in ways that led to inflation that actually was sort of his fault, and given how incredibly aggressive everyone is about blaming him for inflation that wasn’t his fault, I don’t think that’s trivial. And, his labor dept. kept working the issue afterwards and got the workers the sick days they were striking for anyway, when there was nothing for him in it.
I realize that the rail strike is a pretty good talking point, because I actually sort of agree with you that in a perfect world he should have let the strike happen and fuck up the rail companies and if the price of bread goes up then oh well treat your workers better America. But trying to extrapolate from that to that he’s a bad labor president when on every non economy ruining strike he’s been 100% on the side of the workers which is incredibly rare for a US president, I think is unfair.
But at least it’s something I can shove in your fucking face so maybe you’ll pressure the Democratic Party to replace their nominee.
Who would you want them to replace him with? If you don’t want Trump, then I think it’s fair to ask what is the course you would want to chart instead of Biden?
I actually have an answer in mind that I like, far more realistic than some that I’ve heard, but I’m curious what your solution would be.
Biden and his blue MAGA cult.
Fascinating
But trying to extrapolate from that to that he’s a bad labor president when on every non economy ruining strike he’s been 100% on the side of the workers which is incredibly rare for a US president, I think is unfair.
Labor is strongest when it ruins the capitalist economy. That’s the fucking point. It’s a class war and the enemy is winning, we need to hit back. Make the markets scream!
Do you also have a problem with aligning contracts in 2028 so all the unions can launch a general strike? That would fuck the economy up pretty badly.
I actually have an answer in mind that I like, far more realistic than some that I’ve heard, but I’m curious what your solution would be.
Michelle Obama, why not?
I don’t really care, I just know that Biden is going to be even worse by the next debate. Running Biden is handing the presidency to Trump at this point.
Although knowing the Democrats they’ll do some dog-brained scheme like running Mitt Romney 💀
Labor is strongest when it ruins the capitalist economy. That’s the fucking point. It’s a class war and the enemy is winning, we need to hit back. Make the markets scream!
I think wanting this to happen sounds great. Like I say, I agree.
Waiting for a president who will provide it before you take any political step, even if what happens while you’re waiting is that you go into a concentration camp for being queer or communist, while the genocide in Palestine actually accelerates and starts being replicated in a lot of other places across the world; I don’t think that is a good idea. Do you think that is a good idea?
Michelle Obama, why not?
I asked you a serious question. Who should win the election in November? If you were running the Democrat’s strategy, who would you nominate instead of Biden?
Waiting for a president who will provide it before you take any political step, even if what happens while you’re waiting is that you go into a concentration camp for being queer or communist, while the genocide in Palestine actually accelerates and starts being replicated in a lot of other places across the world; I don’t think that is a good idea. Do you think that is a good idea?
If my red state puts me into a camp Joe fucking Biden wouldn’t do shit about it, and the genocide might be completed before election day, so I’m not sure I understand the question.
You seem to think Trump is infinitely worse. He’s not. He’s somewhat worse in some ways, and just as bad in others.
A demon country ruled by monsters.
I asked you a serious question. Who should win the election in November? If you were running the Democrat’s strategy, who would you nominate instead of Biden?
A former first lady is not an unserious answer. She’s actually probably do very well against Trump. She’s likeable, doesn’t have any real baggage, and obviously her husband would support her.
They could also try the also-rans from 2020, so Warren or Buttigieg, or they could elevate someone from the House or the state-level, but I think you missed my point.
Literally any well-known Democrat is a better option than a man that is in serious decline. Otherwise we’ll be in an Emperor’s new clothes situation where they try to gaslight us into thinking Biden is qualified.
EDIT well hold on, I misspoke. I think Kamala Harris would maybe be a worse choice, and everyone knows it, which is why no one is putting her forward as a serious answer. She just doesn’t have the juice.
But like I said, realistically they’ll pick Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney i.e. a different disaster
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