I understand why they did what they did and it makes me think of how db0 and other admins are saying fuck all and taking a very big liability for making and supporting a free internet and i want to say all the work you do is very much appreciated. Also shoutout to lemmy.ml admins for running a similar community on their own .
Links for supporting the db0 server and do consider donating as it is running behind on expenses.
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I will never defederate from y’all ❤️
OT, that’s a very nice UN and instance name you have!
Thank you! I started the server as a random project right after I left Reddit and shredded all of my posts. I’m pretty sure I’m the only active user but that’s okay by me. It’s a little money out of my pocket to give both myself and others refuge from social media and all of the enshitification.
Don’t mention it! Your reasoning and mindset is so very heartening, I hope you’ll get more active users, they’ll be in good hands for sure. Instance owners like your self, db0 are a treasure. 👌
Here’s the donations links from on the sidebar mateys. The server is currently is not covering its hosting costs ;)
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What are the current hosting costs? Every cent counts, but how much do y’all need?
The ko-fi page has that info i think.
check the ko-fi. It shows how much progress we have to cover the costs until June
Man, I didn’t realize there were only 22 people supporting you monthly.
53 of us are on Patreon too
I didn’t realize there was a patreon, I made a Ko-fi account just for this.
Ko-fi is better for the creator anyway, I wish I knew about the Ko-Fi first haha
Being defederated by lemmyworld is a badge of honor. Keep up the good work!
Nah, I disagree. They are running a large community in the middle of Europe, in plain view and being personally known, and as such, liable. Adhering to applicable laws and regulations is the sensible thing to do, plain and simple.
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That makes it even worse. Imagine putting in all this effort and taking all this supposed risk to create a new social media platform free of the pitfalls that come with a for profit site like reddit only to slowly adopt the exact same corporate friendly code of conduct while purposefully curating a community of annoying shitheads who are nearly indistinguishable from the horde of cretins on reddit.
If making a new reddit is legitimately the best they can do, then they should absolutely just scuttle the entire project.
Honestly even Reddit is better. Reddit still has a r/piracy
You need to shut your dumb mouth.
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Lemmy.world is not Lemmy nor is it lemmy.ml
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Fuck off with this stupid bullshit you are spewing
Try to elaborate, I literally have no idea what you’re specifically whinging about.
This, folks, is how not to have a conversation
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Nerd
he’s a real VIKING of following the rules written by rich people!
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Feels like .world is defedding from errybody. Eventually theyre gonna be like aol (or some other more recent, relevant walled garden).
Do y’all think this “cleaning up” has to do with their META threads integration?
Do y’all think this “cleaning up” has to do with their META threads integration?
You mean as opposed to their stated reason: DMCA?
I’m talking about the broader implications of meta integration being the possible driving force behind the multiple defederations, not specifically this, the latest, which would be included as part of a larger “cleanup”.
Awesome username, BTW
I think (as their open communications on the subject have indicated) that they prefer to keep their legal liability profile slim. In the end, no matter how many users you have in your instance, you’re still alone in that court room against the monopolies that represent content rights holders.
From what I can tell they (at least the older admins and Ruud) seem to have no love for Meta, but they aren’t chicken little about it either. Federated or not, Meta can easily scrape Lemmy data, so if you mean that .world defederated to pretty up their image and make themselves attractive to Meta, I just don’t see the point, but also, it seems like a conspiracy theory to me.
There’s a piece on TF about a website that closed down years ago, and has been acquitted four times of their “crimes” of linking (as opposed to hosting), and due to a new definition of “communicate” is being sued a fifth time. The sue-happy rights holders have no compunction against going back to destroy anyone they perceive at any time to have infringed “their” works. Look at Reddit, still defending users against identification for doing what? Saying their ISP was lenient about DMCA notices. To protect against that garbage, you have to be careful, and perhaps remove content you agree with to CYA.
Yeah. I have a lot of concerns over how much market share .world has and some of the really questionable things the admins have done (removing protections related to hate speech from their TOS, having a policy of wiping all comments of a user and accusing them of pretty heinous shit, etc).
But I 100% support this particular action. We run VPNs and use burner emails when we pirate stuff. They don’t really have that luxury due to the nature of web hosting. So kudos to the instance owners who are willing to play with fire on our behalf but… I sure wouldn’t.
.world admin definitely directly defended nazis (literal promotion of direct nazi policies and whatnot, not ‘I don’t like you so you’re nazi’)
I linked to aforementioned content posted by a fellow community mod and politely asked if he could be removed and I got instantly banned from the whole instance.
Like, a no would’ve sufficed 😂 just banning me from the instance definitely just makes me think you agree with it.
We run VPNs and use burner emails when we pirate
Excellent and appropriate point to make. The real problem is with the deference that copyright and “IP” are given in courts around the world, and the way trade agreements force members to adopt similar stances in their legislation and prosecution. Even if IPFS can help our cause in some way, the industry will waste no time criminalizing it.
Sigh… 46 and 2
Thanks for this context. I myself have been looking around for info and excepting old posts from months ago i have failed. Perhaps the dmca request is more because they are the largest and highest visibility then? Thanks again
Wait, they are federating with Threads? I thought everyone, even single-user instances blocked them. WTF?
Yeah, this is why users should get to decide which instances they get to see.
Let’s be our own moderators instead of relying on useful idiots to do it for us.
Do y’all think this “cleaning up” has to do with their META threads integration?
I think bad actors have infiltrated their admin team and are pushing their own agenda.
Lots of useful idiots want to ban discussion of piracy because it makes them realize how they’re getting ripped off.
Nobody wants to acknowledge how they’re being taken for a ride, especially useful idiots.
I am specifically not on world because they want me to sign up with my real email address. Nty, deanonymizing fucks.
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Do you have a link to this? That sounds extremely alarming, I did not realize they had done that.
I was going off this info, and was being a bit chicken little (but that position has been working for me LoL) Here’s that link
https://www.theverge.com/24106231/threads-fediverse-demo-meta-fediforum
I got a reply from stretch@lemmy.dbzer0.com further down that sounded like they knew more than me about the situation.
Im sticking to my deffedding for now, and I’ll wait to hear is the sky is falling from my tinfoil bunker
.world is basically just the losers who got upset that it was too difficult to be a reddit mod since they didn’t have enough power
Just went to ko-fi too, i use lemmy daily and i love this instance & the admins here, and thats worth a few bucks a month
Care to ELI5 for us casuals who did not catch and are missing the obvious?
AFAIK Lemmy.world (the largest Lemmy instance) was issued a takedown request for something unrelated, and conducted a review of the piracy communities following that.
Unfortunately they decided to remove/unfed a few piracy communities as a result, such as this one on dbzer0.
So while we are still all federated, lemmy.world users can no longer see or interact with the !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com community ☹️
Lemmy.world Continues to be the worst shitheap on the fediverse
So we can still things from them but they can’t see things from us?
I suppose that’s why people make at least two accounts.
I think they’ve just defederated the community, so they can see users commenting from dbzer0 but can’t access !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com themselves.
But generally yes, federation is two way. It’s possible for one side to defederate while the other side to be federated, in which case users on one side could post comments but they’d only be visible to instances that are federated with them. Eg, if lemmy.world was not federated with dbzer0 at all, but it was still federated with lemmy.ml, then dbzer0 comments in lemmy.world would show up for dbzer0 and lemmy.ml users but not for lemmy.world.
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db0 is a personal hero of mine I have been a follower since his OCTGN creations.
What’s that acronym?
Divided by zero
I meant the other one lol
Hahah! This answer works for me, because I was unsure what db0 was. Now I hopefully learn two new acronyms
Online Card and Tabletop Gaming Network
Laughed out loud
daym, you take me back. Pre or post A:NR? :D
Started with A:NR, and your sound effects were legendary amongst everyone I know. LOGIN REJECTED
They did assist in immersion didn’t they? 😁
As someone who just started with this community, I’ll admit that I’m a little confused by what happened. Appreciate everyone who puts in time here though!
One of the largest instances, lemmy.world, is no longer receiving posts from this community. They’re worried about legal troubles I think?
Legally I think they’d probably be exempted from liability as a common carrier, similar to how your email server isn’t going to get sued if you mail someone a link to piracy. I doubt they’re interested in testing that theory though.
That’s a stretch to call any new website, especially with the market share of Lemmy, a common carrier.
By that reasoning, narcotics mules are common carriers. “I didn’t know it was H in that bag in my bum! I thought it was a recipe for oatmeal cookies! Don’t blame me!”
Edit: I should add that I would love a broad classification of simple facilitators like email and Lemmy etc. as common carriers. Just doesn’t seem likely with the lobby man-hours working to prevent even true common carriers from getting that classification.
I don’t think comparing a federated message board to smuggling drugs is as fair a comparison as say email or Usenet, also federated services which have both been granted common carrier in the past, but go off I guess.
Fair. I picked another activity that’s illegal on its face that stood out for its absurdity. Now I’m researching when Usenet or email were ever classified as CC, hopefully benefiting from this discussion.
In fairness I may be mistaken. It seems ISPs were extended common carrier protections in relation to hosting Usenet and email and I conflated that with the protocols themselves. Either way it was a long time ago and I doubt they’d extend those protections to generic web platforms these days, but I’d sure like someone to set a precedent for it.
It would be great to see the public good placed far above corporate good. Alas…
Yeah, it would have to be tested in court. Presumably they don’t want to spend that time and money.
It wouldn’t have to be tested in court.
Does .world host content from db0? No. It just connects to it via a common protocol.
They are lying to your face if they say it’s because of ‘legal reasons.’ And a lot of you are stupid enough to take their word at face value.
The US would rather try to pin mass shootings on social media platforms than address the core issues that might destabilize their status quo sociopolitical puppet show, which could set an incredibly dangerous precedent. I wouldn’t be surprised if some money happened to find its way into the right pockets to try the same thing on behalf of the poor poor megacorps’ “lost sales” in the near future.
Didnt they unblock it, or did they block it again?
Blocked, unblocked, then blocked again recently.
They’re worried about legal troubles I think?
Bullshit. There are no legal troubles for them. Someone on their team doesn’t like piracy, so they try to stifle discussion about it.
Don’t worry about it, just steer clear of lemmy.world and you’ll be fine
Love 'em. And mods of this community are pretty tight too 💘
I will never give a shoutout to lemmy.ml for anything. They run a tankie lovefest of an instance.
dude, lemmy was created by ML’s. Youre a fucking cretin, you sad sack of sobs
And Steve Jobs believed he could cure his cancer with acupuncture and dietary supplements. Does that mean that I should respect him because he innovated the iPhone? Lol
He didn’t innovate shit loser, he stole the hard work of his employees, most of which was itself based on information and technology developed by government research
Shut up, fool
Ope, must have struck a nerve 😂
Maybe I’m wrong, but the fediverse and technology like Activity Pub existed long before Lemmy. So irrespective of the “creators” it would have been developed by someone eventually. Do I respect the work that they put into it? Sure. Do I respect them? I guess in some fashion, since they’re human beings. Do I respect their hateful ideologies? Fuck no lol
You don’t understand the first thing about the ideologies you claim to hate because you know them. Its clear you don’t. You paint with such a broad brush it’s clear you understand nothing lol
Also, yes! It is Very annoying when twerps like you give Steve apple and Elon musk and Edison credit for the things they stole from the people they exploit, it sickens me, as a matter of fact. Because I understand the cruelty inherent to the ideology which powers the system that lifted these industrial tyrants to their undeserved positions of power and influence.
You’re looking specifically at the metaphor I used instead of the principal. Let’s use a more direct comparison. Operation Paperclip brought more than 1600 former nazi scientists to America to develop technologies that they worked on for Hitler and Nazi Germany. Aeronautics, genetics, medical studies, etc.
I’d imagine that most worked for Nazi Germany under the threat of death or imprisonment, but there’s more than a few that worked enthusiastically for the nazi party given a sample size that large. Am I supposed to respect Josef Mengele and the people that worked under his supervision for the medical advancements made under his cruel and torturous experimentation of jewish prisoners? And no, that’s not a rhetorical question. I actually want you to address that question with a simple yes or no.
What the fuck are you saying? Mengele was not among those brought over by paperclip and he didn’t exactly do useful experimentation. Fuck him, fuck the Japanese scientists who would have made for a better example if you were less dogbrained, and fuck the Nazi scientists who no, would not have been shot regardless.
It’s beyond stupid to describe communism as “hateful” as though it is based on a bigotry like aryanism is.
The fact that you’re using this example to make a point about “tankies” is hilarious. Do you know who liberated Auschwitz?
I’d imagine that most worked for Nazi Germany under the threat of death or imprisonment
Certainly not these 1600 of the upper eschelon. Probably a few, sure, but most? Of these 1600 that the US went out of its way to save and coddle? Nah, the ones who had no choice were working class folks and even then not nearly most, the rest chose it. Especially those 1600. Not to mention nazi medical experiments did not yield anything of value that wouldn’t have been obtained another way. They learned only how to inflict great suffering.
I find your example invalid
But lets pretend I don’t. Let’s pretend they DID make important discoveries that have saved millions of lives? No! What the fuck? No of course not!
I don’t even understand your point here. I specifically don’t respect these positions of power and the people who occupy them and use them to exploit others? That was what my post was ABOUT?
What are you talking about???
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Little tankie is angry. Don’t stomp your little feet to hard. You might wake your parents.
Die :)
Hateful ideologies like “stop bombing brown people” and “hey maybe we should restructure our economy so that it doesn’t run on third world slave labor and kill poor people with treatable illnesses”
Shut up loser
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Well… yes. And its a good thing.
Based as hell if true
They‘re literally the reason you can post this. Show a little respect.
They have literally zero to do with the reason I can post. My instance is still federated with @lemmy.dbzer0.com
They made the program you‘re using but okay.
…Do you not know the Lemmy devs?
Haha did they ban you? They got strong opinions, but don’t hold a grudge! Grab a tankard and join their lovefest!
Nah! They’re fake commies.
I can respect the idea of communism and the people trying to make it work.
Those guys are not that.
Hmmm I’ve heard lemon commies call tatertrot commies fake commies. Are you a lemon or marker?
lol, never heard ML being “lemon” and trot being a “tatertrot”. Cute!
Shipping has gotten weird these days. I knew there was countries-as-waifus (Hetalia et al) but never expected now instances-as-waifus so as to see lemons of.
I know that trot means Trotsky other than that my views can be summed up as “ If you want to be a communist, awesome, maybe you will be the ones to figure out how to make it last. If you decide to do that at the point of a gun, then you can suck off your rifle until it busts a nut in your mouth.”
Hmm, no youre right that doesn’t sound respectful at all
I’ve noticed people overuse the word ‘tankie’ to the point it just means ‘independent.’
Ya’ll tribalists really need to get your shit together, lol. Rational people aren’t taking you seriously, anymore.
They’re a pretty textbook example of a tankie group. To even join the instance you have to copy and paste a paragraph from 1 of 2 communist texts and any criticisms of China and/or Russia gets you banned lol. I would honestly not be surprised in the slightest if Russia or China were funneling money to the Mali government to actively encourage radical communist behavior on the .ml domain. Mali was another failed communist country afterall. The .ml users often support Russia in the Ukrainian conflict and act like Western countries are forcing capitalism on the world because sovereign countries like Taiwan and Ukraine are actively trying to assimilate into western culture and establish capitalist democracies. Their proposed solution to another nation choosing to distance themselves from the failed communist autocracies they were part of is to forcibly invade, detain, relocate, and resettle the land with communist friendly nationals.
Unrestricted capitalism is bad, but it’s demonstrably not as bad as the attempts at “communism” over the course of the last century that almost always end up becoming a communist autocracy. (East Germany, Soviet Union, Cuba, Taiwan, Afghanistan, Belarus, Cambodia, Czech Republic, Poland, North Vietnam, Hungary, North Korea)
Communism ≠ socialism.
I didn’t read all that because it started off asinine and only looked to get worse as I read on.
I think you focus too much on ‘isms’ because you, yourself, succumb to tribalism.
Here’s an ‘-ism’ for you: pragmatism. Real solutions to real problems. Try to focus on a case by case basis instead of treating everything like a tribalist, ideological battle.
The world just isn’t as simple as your small minds want it to be.
Lol. The classic. “I’m not going to read that.”
