This is why it’s essential for those debates to happen. Yes, both men are declining mentally, but Biden can at least make a coherent argument, even if he mixes up names sometimes.
There is no excuse for either candidate to avoid debates anymore. we need to hear them talk, without prepared speeches. I will take Biden’s odds on that over Trump’s any day.
If Biden wins this thing, I think history will find that the reason he beat Trump twice was that he was not at all intimidated by him. He takes Trump seriously, but also has the courage to call him out for the liar he is, convincingly, without dismissing his supporters as a bunch of losers. That takes a bit of confidence that only age can bring. Maybe Bernie could have done it, but I don’t think any other candidate could. Clinton absolutely failed at that.
And to clarify here. Biden is declining because we all do at that age. No one is immune to that. Trump is declining because he has abused who knows how many different drugs and fuck knows what else over the decades, add that history to age and it’s never going to be good. Biden has always had a stutter and while I know you didn’t mention it, it’s been used a bully stick by the maggats seemingly unaware of the fact that their guy has been deranged and unable to stay on topic for years.
they’re for all intents and purposes the same age
I agree with all of that. His issues go beyond his stutter, though. His mouth has always been a step or two ahead of his brain, and he got himself into trouble in the past saying stupid shit. He has run for President for years and years, and couldn’t win until Trump made it OK to say stupid stuff.
Are you talking about Biden here? I don’t remember him really running in any elections after serving with Obama. Trump is the one who had to run multiple times and only had a chance when he switched from dem to republican and got backing from putin and others, plus the msm thinking he had no chance so they used him for ratings and helped him win, yes, even the left wing media. If they had just stopped giving him attention we wouldn’t be in this mess.
And what stupid stuff has Biden said? Aside from gaffs that everyone has especially when you talk as much as they do and when you are being pulled in several directions, etc.
It’s tough to find a link to all the stuff that isn’t over the top in its vitriol, but this is a good summary from rhe Guardian of some of the weird shit he’s said, which doesn’t even include the “pony soldier” thing:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/25/joe-biden-2020-public-gaffes-mistakes-history
Other politicians don’t seem to step in it quite as often as he does. They don’t seem quite so bad now, but that’s only because Trump lowered the bar so much. Howard Dean’s campaign was derailed because of a weird scream, after all. He would fit right in now (particularly since he is “only” 75…)
You’re a lying, dog-faced pony soldier!
Biden was a front runner in 88 due to his public speaking being so exceptional. Didn’t have a hint of a stutter either.
It wasn’t till reporters starting questioning him about plagiarism till he had to drop out. And it wasn’t because of the plagiarism.
It’s because when someone challenges Biden, he’s always lost his temper and started insulting them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j0FS0Z6ho
All that IQ stuff at the start is like what trump does. And all those statistics he rattled off turned out to be lies. When they were fact checked he dropped.
But the point is, Bidens current issues with speeching isn’t his stutter, he got over that while he was still a child. What’s happening now is what will happen to all of us if we’re lucky enough to live that long. His age is effecting him like it would anyone else.
So maybe we should run someone 20 years younger who’s only 61? Younger would be better, but 81 is just ridiculous
The times he tried running for president he backed out for the blatant lies he told while running. No speech impediment forces someone to lie.
The times he tried running for president he backed out for the blatant lies he told while running. No speech impediment forces someone to lie.
[Citation Needed]
Shit, I’m 34 and I mix up names sometimes. If I had to keep track of as many people as he does, I’d mix up names all the time.
Republican voters: “Does he still piss off the many, many, many groups of people we openly hate and wish harm upon more than any other candidate could?”
Well yes, but what does that have to do with effective governance?
Republican voters: "what the fuck is governance?"
This is almost word-for-word an interaction I had with a coworker yesterday. Said she voted Orange this primary because “he’s the only one to fix this damn gender issue”, so I asked her what she thought of his policies on foreign affairs and the domestic wage gap.
I got a double-chinned shrug and an “idunno”. Lmfao our country is going to burn because a vast swath of people would rather see hundreds of thousands prosecuted for socially-engineered offenses instead of nurturing the human condition.
On a solemn note, our country’s governance has become a joke. A circus of clowns too busy honking horns and throwing pies at each other to notice the tent around them is ablaze. To everyone, please, do not take our country’s governance as a joke. Serious, irreversible consequences oft come from impotent or non-existent legislative power.
We stand at a precipice, so please vote. Vote. VOTE. VOTE.
I mean, you really have to hand it to Fox and the right-wing propaganda machine for so successfully turning such a stupid non-issue into the top priority for a bunch of people.
I mean it’s wrenchingly sick, but they’ve pulled it off so well.
If only they just realized as long as trans people and democrats have rights, so will they. They want so badly to be oppressed
They want both victimhood and domination, at the same time, and being able to hold that wild dissonance in their heads without alarm bells going off is what makes them Republicans. Republican media has trained them into believing that being both victim and oppressor is a perfectly valid position to hold, and because it feels good to believe that, that they deserve to be powerful enough hurt others and also bear no responsibility for that power as they are the victims of the people they want to hurt, many do.
They aren’t special or anything, critical thinking and reasoning must be taught. Without that, most people rely on their feelings. The Nazis convinced massive swaths of Germans that because Jews and other groups they hated were “victimizing the German people,” scapegoating them of course, the German people should allow the Nazis to murder them in their name, guilt free because clearly the german people were the victims of these scapegoats.
Herd mentality is a hell of a drug. So is Schadenfreude. American Republicans are addicted to both. Not entirely their fault either, Fox “News” and other right wing propaganda made them into what they’ve become over decades. Free speech weaponized into a a cancerous means of indoctrination through appealing to fear and hatred.
Nance was a shitty governor anyways.
It’s not a question of whether or not they notice, it’s a question of whether or not they care. They don’t vote for him because of his policies, they vote for him because he wants to hurt the people they don’t like. They vote for him because “The Left” doesn’t want him. He literally says his first day in office would be his Dictator Day and they ate it up.
They are fine with a Weekend at Bernie’s presidency so long as it brings them closer to the theocratic hellscape they want us to live in.
He’s more useful as an incoherent, babbling dementia patient. Even more if dead. They can just turn him into a literal puppet.
Yes. That is exactly what I think will happen, and why – despite his “riches” or at least his property holdings – no one has tried to force him into a conservancy. It’s because his value as a demagogue is priceless, and whoever gets to control the puppet has a grand shot at winning the presidency and overthrowing democracy.
they know that he’ll let them hurt who they want to hurt and they don’t care about anything else. I think to a lot of them a mentally incompetent trump is a bonus because he’ll be easier to steer.
Trump speeches may sound like listening to a four-year-old explain “The Lord of the Rings,”
LMAO
Even Jimmy Fallon, who tends to be cautious about mocking Trump, joked on Monday night, “It sounds like his brain got a flat,” and suggested Trump’s new campaign slogan should be “Trump 2024 WI-RI-BI-GYU … AHHH.”
Trump 2024
I’d vote for this dog. Bad comparison. One is a mindless idiot bumbling from treat to treat, the other a majestic dog living the best life.
Sticks for everyone! And water fountains on every street!
Because they have already degenerated?
Wish he’d degenerate quickly into a 6’ hole.
He doesn’t deserve the peace of a 6’ hole. Make it 6", an open grave, and a public hole-in-the-ground bathroom.
Okie dokie
I had time to think for a bit. Please be advised that I’m not an American citizen and the following is purely conjecture.
Basically, I believe the US is FUBAR. There are 4 possible scenarios for the 5th of November:- Trump gets so demented it’s getting impossible to get him propped up, he has to concede somewhere around that time
- Trump finally gets thrown in jail, before election day
- Biden wins - right now it looks like it would be a close call
- Trump wins
The article mentions, as many have before, that the “conservative” way of “thinking” has become purely emotional. So what do you think will happen if either of the three first will come true? Someone will seize the day and shout some bullshit conspiracy or another and now 20-30% of your emotionally driven population will get set to “angry” and “revenge”.
If he simply wins: Mission accomplished!Now that I’ve thought a bit more, even (maybe especially?) if Biden wins in a landslide, the conspiracy spin could even be made stronger. Yikes. It might be the time of troubles on a very large scale and I reaaaaaaaaaly hope I’m totally wrong with all this!
There’s a very good chance Trump’s trial doesn’t conclude until after voting day. At which point we may face the situation of having a President-Elect that is convicted of Insurrection.
We really should have just let the states ban the guy.
Trump has never been his own candidate: there are bigger powers behind him that need a demagogue to get into the office because everything they stand for is SO immensely repulsive. I’m talking about the ones Leonard Leo has been working for over the last forty years.
And Trump’s advancing dementia is not new. His staff have been making adaptive movements around him for quite some time that are familiar to those of us who have ever lived with or cared for an aging parent or other person with dementia. Also, looking at dementia in a stranger or a public figure is exactly equivalent to looking at an iceberg: we are only seeing the tiniest bit of it. What’s happening in all the hours and days we don’t see is already far worse than what little we have seen.
And it doesn’t get better, either: dementia is a series of plateaus, where there’s a slip and the new normal holds for a while, but never attains the level of previous competency.
So what is FAR more likely, unfortunately, is that his handlers will take over and continue to trot him out to prove he’s still alive, but he will speak for himself less and less. The media/propaganda outlets that are pushing so hard for his presidency today will continue pushing just as hard, as though he himself were still running, but he’s just the public face at that point. They want Trump for president no matter what his condition is, because he was always just their ticket to ride.
This strategy is not new; it’s historically what people who want to get and keep power do with the incompetent leader they find themselves saddled with, like Kim Jong Il or even Stalin in his last year or so. Even Ronald Reagan to some degree, depending on who you believe in regard to the progression of his Alzheimer’s disease.
I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again: watch the VP spot very carefully, because it will NOT be filled with anyone of Trump’s choosing. It will be filled by the person the people running Trump as a candidate want to be President. And if “Trump” wins the presidency, even though people with dementia can live another dozen years from this moderate point, Trump won’t. The VP will be president within three months, IMO, depending on the stability of the national situation, because they will only keep him alive as long as they need to in order to cement their own hold on the presidential office.
But the saddest (most laughable? I dunno anymore) part of all of this is that the people who vote Trump from this point forward are not actually voting for Trump, because he no longer exists as they knew him. That’s just the nature of dementia. Rather, they are voting for the people running him. In other words, they are voting for EVERYTHING THEY DESPISE and expected Trump to rescue them from, their protest vote going toward exactly what they desperately want to protest.
Yes, it’s The Manchurian Candidate with a twist. Unfortunately, it’s all too real a scenario.
It’s a sad fucking world these days.
Guess I don’t need any sleep tonight…
Jesus, yeah, apologies man. It’s just what I’ve been thinking for a while but now that I read it back in my own words it’s like oh shit. It really is worst case. I’m hoping one of his steaks or hamberders does him in, personally.
I think all of what you said, except maybe add a side of martyrdom on top of it. I’ve been saying since the last election, it’s not Trump himself they need, he’s only the figurehead to stir shit up. Get rid of him when he’s outlived his usefulness and do it in a way that sets up someone who’s liberal, brown, trans, gay, illegally in the country, or your choice of combination, and his followers will happily start a war and fight to the death to “avenge” him. Allow chaos to reign for awhile, then come in heavy handed to re-establish order and there go the rest of our freedoms “for the good and safety of everyone until things settle down”.
I don’t forsee the second happening. Short of literal murder the rich dont end up in jail, and if they do its brief. Murica…
Edit “rich” but you know what I mean.
It would be best for everyone if he just keeled over before the election, tbh
Hamburger From Heaven 2024
hamberders
I feel like there would be parades in the streets if dude just had a massive heart attack while speaking on the road.
But then you get the conspiracy theorists saying the Deep State assassinated him. That’ll make for some fireworks I’m sure.
There’s going to be stupid conspiracy theories no matter what. At least then we wouldn’t have to listen to him any more.
How can someone degenerate when they’ve always been a degenerate?
To his supporters this is a feature, not a bug.
“i don’t like him but i have to vote for him” is what i get from the republican voters that i know. many democrats have a position regarding biden that is the same.
Is it because they are also degenerating as well?
