• Boingboing@lemmy.world
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    John really was tripping balls on mushrooms when he wrote that book. Fun story. Highly recommend reading.

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      Communal worship can put people into suggestible states, for example. Throw in some attention whores with dubious affinity for truthfulness, and suddenly you get some pretty wild stories. Throw in some hottie swaying and going ‘ooooOOOooOoo, AahhaAAAAhhhh’ or whatever to whatever was their contemporary version of a hipster playing a musical instrument…

      Alternatively, we’ve all seen the videos of experiments with conformity.

      no need to blame psychedelics.

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          Assuming it was John of Patmos. The author only identified himself as “John”; but it was also super common to use pseudonyms as a way to get more authoritative.

          The fact is we don’t really know for sure. The only evidence in the book itself is that that is where the revelation happened. One leading theory is that “John” was exiled there. For being Christian.

          Keep in mind a lot of the rhetoric is a direct criticism of Domitian and Roman’s.

          Maybe they did use psychedelics and maybe they didn’t. We don’t know.

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      RF (Religious Fiction, books that started a religion) is my favourite genre of literature. With notable writers like John, L Ron Hubbart and Lucinda Riley

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      It was frankincense and closed windows. Maybe some of the incense had hallucinogenic mushrooms or fungi sprouted on it, who’s to say?

      Magic mushrooms and scripture? Definitely not. ;)

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      This dude must have had the best shrooms ever. But it just goes to show that you should never overdo it.

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    “Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth”.

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      At least if I saw something like this performing miracles I’d be more inclined to believe the was an actual deity.

      Or that the drugs kicked in.

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        The ‘lamb’ in ‘Lamb of God’ refers to the 10th plague of Egypt, where God told Moses to that an Angel of Death would go through the Egypt killing all the firstborn sons, and instructed the Israelites to put lambs blood above their door so that the Angel of Death would pass over their home (this is also what the Jewish holiday Passover is celebrating).

        Jesus is symbolically the Lamb of God in scripture because he is the lamb that was slaughtered so that all of man’s sin would be forgiven.

        The above passage is just referencing that symbolism that was already established. It’s not the reason why he’s called the Lamb of God in the first place.

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        Pretty much. It’s mostly used by cultists as just another title for Jesus. It was used to refer to him in a couple bible passages. For that passage, homie was either tripping balls, having a schizophrenic episode, or both.

        It’s also a pretty good metal band.

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    im down to worship Jesus’s fursona if He is down to do butt stuff with me.

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        “Frequency illusion” or “Baader–Meinhof phenomenon,” which you’ll now see mentioned with more frequency.

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    I don’t understand tho, don’t they use the same animal to depict Satan, or something?

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      A goat for Satan, probably helps to show they are both similar and capable of the same things but Jesus chose the good path.

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        The metaphors are also hilarious. Jesus is “the lamb”, but he also guides his own flock as a shepherd.

        Sheep have a habit of mindlessly following the group (lol).

        But… You know what the shepherd does, with the sheep, right? He’s not taking care of his flock because they’re pets.

        If you have spent any time with goats you’ll know they’re much cooler than sheep. Goats are so much fun.

      • Satan was goated as a callback to Pan, one of the chthonic Hellenic gods (not to be confused with the Cthonian Hellenic gods. Ia! 🐙🌊🌠).

        Late stage Jesus was Apollonian rather than Dionysian so Satan, now a proper antagonist, inherited all the chthonic stuff.

        It’s also why (Paulonian) Jesus is about asceticism where Satan is about indulgence.

    • I don’t need Dali, but I would like to see a Bible illustrated by someone who illustrates the ugly parts rather than the poetic ones. Like, Job suffering while God and Satan are obviously gambling overhead; the (now common) biblically accurate angels; revelations with biblically accurate Jesus; Satan as he’s described (the most beautiful Angel), Lot & his daughters having a good time; Sodom & Gomorrah, but showing not only ugly sinners being burned alive, but also children, pregnant women, babies, and holy men. It’d be interesting to see a version illustrating all the ugly shit.