• circuitfarmer@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Whenever anyone tells me that capitalism leads to efficient solutions or some such BS, I point them to things like this.

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      Come on. You realise things aren’t all bad or all good right?

      Yes it’s true that capitalism hasn’t worked out, but it’s not true that capitalism has no beneficial qualities whatsoever.

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        Capitalism is a domination based economic strategy that’s killing most of the life on this planet.

        There’s also partnership based economic strategies that probably would be more in harmony with the earth as well as other human beings, like cooperatives, non-profits, and of course socialism etc.

        So, I guess as far as domination based strategies go, Capitalism is very efficient. And offers a veil of autonomy that feudalism and slavery didn’t. But it’s only a veil. The rich get richer, the poor relatively poorer. And while the planet burns, most human beings are still slaves to their paychecks while the oligarchs call the shots.

        I don’t see any benefit in this, but you do?

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          I don’t really understand. Perhaps you’re looking for a net benefit. As I said, things aren’t all bad or all good.

          As you said yourself, Capitalism is very efficient.

          It’s technological or administrative requirements are minimal. If you want to get from a pre-industrial feudal society to a sophisticated modern utopia, you can’t go straight to socialism. We needed capitalism.

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            It’s very efficient at extracting resources from the environment and working class. It’s more efficient than slavery and feudalism. That doesn’t make it a net benefit for either the planet or the working class.

            And plenty of non-Western cultures had economic systems similar to socialism before we colonized them and forced capitalism down their throats. So no, your socialism must follow capitalism equation isn’t real. Sorry.

            What Marx meant was if we don’t evolve past Capitalsm, we’re fucked. That’s what he meant by socialism must follow capitalism. It’s a moral must if we want the planet and species to survive. He wasn’t talking about causation.

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        What? Capitalism has no intentional benefits that aren’t personal.

        Every single feature benefits specific people instead of… Everybody.

        Are you high?