• El Barto@lemmy.world
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    8 个月前

    Bro. Show me a successful communist nation in which its citizen are happy and with all its basic necessities covered.

    • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.world
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      8 个月前

      Bro. Show me a successful communist nation in which its citizen are happy and with all its basic necessities covered.

      Name me a country where this happens.

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          8 个月前

          So, just so we’re clear, Communism doesn’t work, because it hasn’t been successful.

          But Capitalism does work, even though it hasn’t been successful.

          We do have Socialist nations and they are doing better than everyone else, with the highest happiness rates, and most of the necessities covered. But to answer your question, we have no successful countries at all. The closest we have are Socialist nations.

    • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      8 个月前

      Answer my question first. Until then, I’ll ask another: which Capitalist nations can be considered successful, happy, with all basic necessities covered? Not even the Nordic Countries do that, and they still brutally exploit the global south.

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        8 个月前

        I don’t know, man… most developed nations are having quite a nice ride compared to the so-called communist countries.

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          8 个月前

          Do you think it’s because they are Capitalist, or do you think it’s because they’re developed, and started industrializing earlier, with plentiful access to global trade?

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            Does this matter? Every communist state I’ve known has failed.

            The idea may sound good in principle, but clearly humans can’t grasp it.

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              It absolutely matters. If you’re tying development to quality of life, which I agree with, you also have to make the absolute claim that Socialist states can’t develop, which I disagree with. Capitalism is only a few hundred years old anyways, and already is failing, ie disparity is continuing to accelerate to unsustainable levels.

              First of all, what is a “Communist state?” There’s no such thing, so if you clarify what you are referring to, that would help.

              Secondly, clarify what you mean by “failed,” because either you don’t know much about leftist states or you’re using a different meaning of the word “failed.”

              Finally, what do you mean “the idea sounds good on paper?” If it sounds good on paper, ie it works in theory, what about reality is an unknown factor? If humans can’t grasp it (whatever that means), then it doesn’t work in theory!

              You’re playing red scare bingo, lol

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                8 个月前

                A communist state is just that. A nation that adopted communism.

                I never mentioned socialism. I think socialism is okay. Or at least democratic socialism.

                I was referring to communism.

                • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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                  Communism is a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society. It cannot be adopted by a state. You’re referring to Socialist states.

                  You clearly do have problems with Socialism, or at least some forms. Democratic Socialism is Worker Ownership of the Means of Production, organized similar to a liberal democracy. That’s fine, but the goal of Democratic Socialism is still Communism, eventually.

                  You were not in fact referring to Communism, which is why I asked that question in the first place.

                  • El Barto@lemmy.world
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                    8 个月前

                    Thanks for the lesson. Now, what do people mean when they say that Soviet Russia and Cuba are communists?

                    I don’t think democratic socialism leads towards communism. Hasn’t Sweden implemented a form of socialism, for example?

                    My questions are not confrontational, but I’ll admit they’re rooted in my limited knowledge but also in my very real experience.

                    I come from a country that could have been a communism wonder having adopted a socialist approach in 1999, and today it’s in shambles.

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          What, specifically, about Communism is easier to take advantage of with greed and corruption than Capitalism? Why can’t these issues be cleared up with policy changes, and are structural to Communism?

          Why does Anarchism having more forms detract from its validity?